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Old 22-02-2019, 10:40 AM   #1
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[News] Intel believes Apple will begin transitioning to ARM-based chips for Macs in 2020

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Old 22-02-2019, 07:50 PM   #2
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I don't think they will completely move away since their SOCs are not powerful enough for them to confidently move away. It's possible that they may adopt their SOCs for say their Macbook Air.
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Old 22-02-2019, 08:02 PM   #3
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It doesn't need to be powerful

They just need to convince their customer it is powerful

I mean, people are saying iPad is faster than PC.
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Old 26-02-2019, 04:28 PM   #4
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i also think the ipad like direction for macbook air is the one apple is targetting, by forcing using users to buy semi optimize crappy version app-: for example photoshop LE instead of full blown photoshop which confirmed will make phone processors crawled.
Many users have noted in apple forum as well apple is in favour of IOS like ecosystem in mojave

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Old 26-02-2019, 05:32 PM   #5
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i also think the ipad like direction for macbook air is the one apple is targetting, by forcing using users to buy semi optimize crappy version app-: for example photoshop LE instead of full blown photoshop which confirmed will make phone processors crawled.
Many users have noted in apple forum as well apple is in favour of IOS like ecosystem in mojave
Its very likely apps will run on the cloud and not on your devices anymore. You don't need a lot of processing power for that.
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Old 26-02-2019, 09:20 PM   #6
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It doesn't need to be powerful

They just need to convince their customer it is powerful

I mean, people are saying iPad is faster than PC.
2020 is not too far away, so we can wait till then to see how this shapes up. I still believe that they will not be able to abandon Intel all at one go because there are folks that uses Macbook Pro for programming and heavy Photoshop usage. Unless they make significant leap in the SOC in the next 2 years, I doubt they are ready to cut ties with Intel, unless otherwise they go for cheaper alternatives from AMD. Anyway I also noticed that Apple is emphasizing and thus allocating more die space for AI, so I don't expect significant improvements coming from the SOCs in the near future. A12 is very fast mainly because they enabled all cores to work under load, instead of the usual high performance and low power SOC strategy, plus and improved GPU.
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The most powerful deca-core consumer ARM processor is only capable of half the raw performance of a Gemini Lake Celeron J3455.

And ARM is notoriously difficult to boot up from. Ask any experienced ARM Linux user; every single ARM platform requires its own custom kernel and custom OS boot image in order to successfully start up. Imagine having X different Windows install ISOs for X different ARM boards (example: Windows 10 ISO for Exynos, Windows 10 ISO for Apple A-x, Windows 10 ISO for Qualcomm Snapdragon SoCs, etc).

Even on Windows, ARM is hell. Remember the new breed of ARM notebooks launched by HP and Lenovo a few months back? Well guess what; a generic Windows 10 ARM image will not boot on those machines. Hackers trying to install their own version of Windows 10 ARM or Linux on those machines also found out that the ARM notebooks completely do not allow USB booting. Accidentally damage or corrupt your embedded Windows 10 ARM install with a borked update and the machine is practically bricked.

Basically, the luxury of having a single generic OS image that can be installed onto any hardware variation in x64 that we take for granted is completely non-existent in ARM.

If ARM is going to be the future of PC computing I'm bailing out. I rather live under continued x64 dominance by Intel and AMD than deal with the above nonsense.

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