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[Review]AMD R3 2200G & R5 2400G with Vega graphics, a cheap alternative for Esports gaming

Introduction

Back in those days, i grew up playing Esports title such as Dota 1, Diablo 2, Counter strike and perhaps simple 2D games such as Maplestory using a old Compaq Pesario Desktop that were running on entry level AGP graphics card (Can't remember what GPU was that). Those days Esport games were rather easy to run. Without any hiccups, running any games at 720p was a breeze.

Fast forward, those game titles still exist but of cause with modern technology, graphics were a lot more demanding than before. Dota 2, Diablo 3, CSGo, with some new games such as Hearthstone, Overwatch and the list goes on. This games are not easy to run without the help of dedicated GPUs. But what if, Esports gamers are not willing to spend or splurge on high end dedicated GPUs? Especially at this point of time when GPUs were all so darn expensive. Well AMD has an answer to that.

Meet the all new Raven Ridge APUs from AMD.



AMD released two new desktop APUs, the Ryzen 3 2200G (4 Cores 4 Threads) and the Ryzen 5 2400G (4 Cores 8 Threads). They were meant for the budget gaming desktop segments that can game almost any kinds of Esports title. Both the Ryzen APUs comes with Vega 8 and Vega 11 integrated graphics in it. Take note that Vega 8/11 are not to be mistaken with the dedicated GPU Vega 56/64 GPUs.

Both the APUs are running on a CCX configuration of (4+0). Unlike the standard Ryzen 5 1400 which has a CCX configuration of (2+2). The APUs has the Infinity Fabric to connect the single four-core CCX and the Vega graphics cores together. So by increasing the RAM speed, this will end up boosting both the CPU and the Vega GPUs performance linearly.

So reading out the CPUs specs, i ended up getting both the Ryzen 3 2200G and the Ryzen 5 2400G one for my colleaque, while the other for my mums PC. There are reasons why i chose these 2 APUs.

My colleague wants a cheap desktop option after his old 6 years old laptop has multiple failures on it. What he wants was a desktop that cater mostly for educational games for his kids to play and at the same time serve its purpose as a HTPC entertainment purposes.

While on the other hand i have decided to upgrade my mum's PC, because her PC was running into some issues lately, SSD may not boot up at times, motherboard bloated capacitors and lastly she needed more USB ports. She use mainly for casual photo editing and also working with excel sheets for teaching. Apart from that she is doing a lot of printing work and a board that can connect 4 different printers.

Mainly when i was looking at the price list, at this point of time of writing this review, none of the Intel counterpart offers a cheaper motherboard for the 8th Gen Coffeelake. Comparing MSI A320M Pro-VH Plus with the 2200G, there were no cheap Z370 with an i3-8100 that were around the mid $2xx price point. Next is there is no cheap Z370 with an i5-8400 that were around the mid $3xx price point.

However there are 7th Gen Kabylake options, but then looking at the pricing again, it doesn't make sense to even buy a Pentium or a i3 7100 when these 2 APUs are clearly a stronger CPU options with a better iGPU.

So being curious, i have decided to try out this 2 APUs out before building it, I wanna see what kind of gaming performance can be done on this 2 APUs. Well of cause, for my mums PC, i'm not intending to game on it, but hey it is a 4C 8T CPU, which can technically be used for simple video/picture editing!

Unboxing

Here are what i have bought!





Now i'm not doing a review of the MSI B350M Bazooka or the A320M VH Pro, but i think the MSI B350M Bazooka is worth looking at.



The MSI B350M Bazooka priced at $139 is too hard to give it a miss. This board has almost everything for basic functions. Let me show you a walkthrough for it.

As usual i will be going from the top left corner of the board and around it.

The top left corner, the MSI B350M Bazooka has 1 8pin CPU power.



A PWM CPU fan header



The standard dual channel DDR4 RAM slots.



Interestingly though, MSI has implemented an EZ debug LED on almost all their motherboards. This is good for boards that does not have the 7 segment debugging code. Well of cause it is not as good or as accurate as a debugging code, but this is to show users a brief description on what are the failures at. It is able to check on CPU, RAM, VGA and boot.



Just below the EZ debug LED there is a 24pin Power

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And of cause this board comes with a total of 4 SATA ports, 2 90deg and 2 vertical up.



Nothing much about the Chipset cooler.



Below are the USB 3.0 front connectors and the front panel connections. And yes this board comes with not 1 but 2 USB 2.0 front headers.



Oddly though, a cheap motherboard like this has RGB headers! And here is another 4pin fan headers and front audio headers.



Gold Chemicon caps accompanied with Realtek ALC892 onboad audio.





Apart from that there is also a x16 PCIE steel armor slot that prevents bending and EMI. And with 2 other 1x PCIE slot.



Oh and being a B350 chipset board, there is also a M.2 Slot connected to PCIE x4.

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Here are the rear IOs. For a basic board like this, there is a generous amount of USB 3.1 and 2.0 ports. This board is great for my mums PC that has many IO devices to connect.

1. PS2 port
2. 2x 2.0 USB Port
3. VGA Port
4. DVI Port
5. 2x 2.0 USB Port
6. HDMI Port
7. 2x USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type A Port
8. Realtek 811H Gigabit LAN
9. 2x USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type A Port
10. Audio connectors



Overclocking and tuning the integrated graphics

Memory allocation for iGPU

The very first thing you would wanna do is to allocate the memory for the iGPU, by default the allocation for certain motherboard varies from brands. But regardless, set it to 2Gb.





Setting max peak iGPU frequency

The next thing is overclocking the iGPU. Now i have both the 2200G and 2400G have a peak GPU clock of 1100Mhz and 1240Mhz respectively. I was able to set both of it to to hit 1500Mhz. Now take note, this does not mean that the iGPU will hit 1500Mhz constantly. This is to allow the iGPU to boost up to the respective frequency if both voltages and temperature permits. Next set the VID CPU to 1.287V.



RAM Overclock

Next, set the RAM to 3200Mhz, for this testing i'm using the GSkill Ripjaws V 3000Mhz 2*8Gb kit, i have overclocked it manually to 3200Mhz and set timing to 16-18-18-35. Now take note that this varies from different brands of RAM, YMMV on this segment. Do not blindly follow my timings or my RAM frequencies, it is just a guideline.





CPU Overclock

The last thing you wanna do is to overclock the CPU. Now this is OPTIONAL. It really depends on what kind of games are you intending to play, if the games are CPU intensive, you might wanna do some small overclocking just to get a little extra performance gain.

#1 The 2400G is running at a boost speed of up to 3.9GHz, even with the applied voltages, i was just able to overclock it at 4GHz. Making it pointless to do the overclocking.

#2 The 2200G on the other hand boost speed of up to 3.7GHz. So a slight modest of overclocking i was able to get 3.9GHz out of it with a voltage of 1.39v.

The amount of heat and power consumption for that small amount of gain, it is just not worth it imho.

But however if you do wish to overclock, please get a decent air cooler to overclock it. For this review, i will just set the 2200G at 3.9GHz and 2400G at 4GHz with both iGPU frequency of 1500Mhz.



Test Rig

AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 3.9GHz
AMD Ryzen 5 2400G 4.0GHz
MSI B350M Bazooka
Gskill Ripjaws 3000Mhz 2x8gb Kit (3200Mhz)
Crucial M550 512gb SSD
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Cryorig R1 Ultimate

Testing at 720p and 1080p resolutions

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Benchmark

The first few benchmark would be some of the AAA game titles. While the last few benchmark would be mainly casual esport gaming such as Dota 2, Diablo 3 and Overwatch.

Rise of the Tomb Raider

This is a fairly hard to push AAA game and also one of my favourite game title. At 1080p, the 2400G it managed to be very playable at 29fps while the 2200G is at 26fps respectively. It was never dipping below 20fps and managed to stay within the high 2xfps to high 3xfps range. However i did managed to fine tune another settings, by reducing the level of details to medium settings and generally the game managed to stay well above 30fps.



Deus EX Mankind Divided

This is a GPU demanding title and i don't expect anything much from the APUs, cause even using a descrete GPU this game is still quite hard to push. Both APUs were running an average of low 2xfps range. However this are medium settings and honestly, the graphics are still so good to run on. For this game, i would recommend to run it at low settings instead. This will keep the frame rates above 30fps range.



Metro Last Light

This is an old title but also quite hard to push if AA is being turned on. So with the quality set to Medium and lowering the Texture filtering AF to 4X, at 1080p It is still very much playable! The 2400G managed to hit 49fps and the 2200G came in slightly slower at 39fps. Very impressive indeed.



I managed to get a few titles. So so sorry that i do not have any other gaming titles. Cause im not into Esports gaming any more. lol

Dota 2

Despite all the spell cast scenes and all the massive attacking scenes the 2400G held up pretty darn well at 46fps. While the 2200G came in slightly slower at 42fps, however you won't see much of a difference.



Diablo 3

One of my favourite games that i used to play. Surprisingly this game runs so well at high settings. Both the 2200G and the 2400G were well over 60fps, it is so good and smooth. Kudos to AMD for making one of my favourite games running so smoothly.



Overwatch

I'm such a noob with this game, however i managed to bench a few rounds of it and take an average of 3 different benchmark. Honestly i didn't expect both the 2200G and 2400G to run very well for both 720p and 1080p. It was very consistant throughout all the 3 benchmarks. on 1080p both the 2200G and 2400G managed to kept well above 40fps most of the time.



Now lets move on to some work load benchmark. To be honest, i wasn't expecting much from the 2200G but however the 2400G can be a serious contender when it comes to productivity. Given that it has 4C8T, it should be able to handle daily task thrown at it.

For productivity testing, i will be adding in the predecessor the R5 1500X and the R5 1600X that i have for illustration purposes.

Cinebench

Here we can see that the 2400G were tiny bit faster than the predecessor the R5 1500X, scoring a total score for 162 for single threaded and 888 for multi threaded. The 2200G on the other hand has a score of 154 for single threaded and 635 for multi threaded. Based on this chart the 2400G is slightly faster than its predecessor R5 1500X by 2.3% on multi workload and 1.25% faster in single threaded workload.



Blender BMW

As expected, the 2400G is slightly faster than the predecessor. The 2400G managed to shave a cool 32 secs faster than the predecessor.

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7zip

In this segment we can see both compression and decompression performance of the CPUs. Oddly though, the 2400G did not perform faster than the predecessor, i re-ran the test twice for both and just couldn't get the 2400G to be working faster than the predecessor.



Operating Temps & Power Consumption

For this test, i swapped out from the Cryorig R1 to the Wraith stealth stock cooler. Just to see how well it does out from the box and is there a need to buy an aftermarket cooler?

This is rather interesting, on a gaming load and playing at least 30mins,both the 2200G and the 2400G maximum temps were very acceptable at 71degC and 77degC respectively. Coming from a non soldered TIM and yet a smaller scale stock cooler, it is just amazing. Do note that this is still an overclocked settings and stock fan profiles.



As for power consumption, this is by far the most polar bear friendly CPU i have ever tested. On idle both the 2200G and 2400G were pulling the same wattage out from the wall. Pulling just 35w! Yes i'm astonished. On gaming load, the 2200G pulls a total of 111w and the 2400G pulls a total of 122w. Very impressive indeed. Gone are the days where people are complaining that AMD CPUs are power hungry!



Final thoughts

AMD answer to the budget gaming segment is indeed interesting. The 2200G and the 2400G are nothing short of amazing. Although it isn't ground breaking gaming performance, but AMD has a good product for the budget gaming community. Most of the esports title are able to run smoothly on both APUs. Games that are mostly Blizzard Entertainment games are easy to run without the need of a descrete GPU.

To those of you out there whom just wanna play casual esport games, the AMD APU will definitely be the best choice out there for budget gamers.

One thing in particular, the 2200G is indeed a good value APU. This will definitely entice a lot of entry level desktop users for home office. Cause honestly 4 cores is really a good bargain out there, they are much more worth it than paying for Intel's low end segment CPUs such as the Pentium/i3 series.

So, did AMD APUs nailed it this time round for both budget gaming segment and low end users? Yes definitely!

AMD R3 2200G overall ratings 7.5/10
AMD R5 2400G overall ratings 8/10
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Introduction

Back in those days, i grew up playing Esports title such as Dota 1, Diablo 2, Counter strike and perhaps simple 2D games such as Maplestory using a old Compaq Pesario Desktop that were running on entry level AGP graphics card (Can't remember what GPU was that). Those days Esport games were rather easy to run. Without any hiccups, running any games at 720p was a breeze.
Back in those days people played on square screens, and the best graphics card available had to use 16-bit colors to play a game that is one year old.

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Back in those days people played on square screens, and the best graphics card available had to use 16-bit colors to play a game that is one year old.

I have the HP square screens

I then upgraded to a widescreen 19 inch screen lol. But i can remember clearly that playing games on square screens are indeed nostalgic.
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great review and thank you so much for explaining and sharing!! definitely very beneficial for those out there looking for a new rig with the ryzen APU series (including me!)

just to check, for home office usage (web surfing with 8-10 tabs, movie/youtube streaming, torrenting, MSOffice) and no gaming on the R3 2200G, would a single channel 1x8GB ram (eg, klevv 3000mhz) have negligible difference as compared to a dual channel 2x4GB ram (eg, crucial ballistix tactical 2666mhz)?
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I feel if you consider the price tag of each of these APUs, the R3 2200G will be the better recommendation when it comes to gaming. The Vega 8 is not much slower than the Vega 11.
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hi royfrosty,

great review and thank you so much for explaining and sharing!! definitely very beneficial for those out there looking for a new rig with the ryzen APU series (including me!)

just to check, for home office usage (web surfing with 8-10 tabs, movie/youtube streaming, torrenting, MSOffice) and no gaming on the R3 2200G, would a single channel 1x8GB ram (eg, klevv 3000mhz) have negligible difference as compared to a dual channel 2x4GB ram (eg, crucial ballistix tactical 2666mhz)?
If you have no intentions to even game. Take a single channel memory, it will not have a large impact on whatever you have listed above.

But if you do game, perhaps getting a dual channel Rams would be a better idea.




Now there is something over at the net that some people found out that dual channel memory at 2400mhz vs 3200mhz has not much impact if one raises the iGPU frequency. Gonna test it the next few days.
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I feel if you consider the price tag of each of these APUs, the R3 2200G will be the better recommendation when it comes to gaming. The Vega 8 is not much slower than the Vega 11.
Hmm I believe so to. But I believe with the aid of 8 threads might be good for people whom do video editing. It is still better than considering an i3 8100?
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