HWZ Forums

Login Register FAQ Mark Forums Read

The AMD Zen 3 Ryzen 5000 Discussion Thread

Like Tree24Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 17-10-2020, 04:21 PM   #121
Member
 
xXfanaticXx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 269
like you said, the 3900x's extra cores/threads may outweigh the 5800x performance gains. Still, it depends on your usage which seem to prefer more cores/threads.

The main thing is the relative prices of the processors and motherboards which current gives me the impression that the 3900x may be one to get, locally.

These are exciting times...
Yeah what an exciting time for the diy pc building space. (also because for gaming I think next-gen consoles are encroaching on the performance of entry level pc gaming, maybe can push the pc side to be even more competitive) Few years back I was almost going to go for Skylake, however didn't come close to the marketing hype that was going around.

The 3000 and 5000 (to be validated) series reminds me of the Sandy Bridge + Ivy Bridge era. But to be frank, I don't think AMD can keep up this type of performance jumps much after 5000.
I hope they can and that Intel can come back swinging, but Intel at the moment can't even get their own fabs and process stable maybe until Q1-Q2 next year?

AMD has said that 5000 will be the last on AM4 (they probably won't pull a am3+), anyway if anybody is getting AMD now and get a 5XX chipset mobo, it should have the meaningful things needed to last at very least a few years, pcie gen4, wifi ax some with 2.5Gb ethernet, usb 3.1 gen2, etc.
Processor
Intel Core i7 3770 + Cryorig C7
Mainboard
Gigabyte H77n WiFi
Graphics Card
Asus GTX 970
Memory
Corsair DDR3 16GB Kit
Display
3x Dell Ultrasharp
Storage
Samsung 850evo 250GB
Casing
Corsair 250D
PSU
EVGA B3 600w
OS
Windows 10

xXfanaticXx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2020, 11:14 PM   #122
Senior Member
 
12122012's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 895
https://twitter.com/harukaze5719/sta...89121292103681

Processor
[MainPC] AMD R7 3700X | [HTPC] Intel Pentium G4560 | [Family] Intel i5-4690 | [Spare] Intel i3-4170
Mainboard
ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) | ASRock H110M-HDV R3.0 | Asus Vanguard B85 | ASRock H81M-HDS R2.0
Graphics Card
SAPPHIRE NITRO+ RX480 4GB | Intel HD610 | Intel HD4600 | Palit GTX750 Ti StormX Dual 2GB
Memory
Corsair V. LPX 16GB DDR4 3200MHz | Corsair V. LPX 8GB | Kingston HyperX 16GB | Kingston HyperX 8GB
Display
Dell SE2717H IPS FreeSync | Sharp LC40LE460X | Dell UltraSharp U2412M | -
Storage
Adata SX8200 Pro 512GB+1TB+WD Blue 500GB | Transcend SSD370S 256GB | SSD370S 256GB | SSD370S 256GB
Optical Storage
Sony Optiarc AD-7280S | - | - | SONY DRU-870S
Casing
Cooler Master K282 ATX | Jonsbo C2 Micro-ATX | Deepcool Smarter Micro-ATX | Cooler Master Elite 342
PSU
Superflower Leadex II Gold 92+ 650W | Seasonic G-Series 450W | FSP Aurum S 500W | Seasonic M12II-520
Audio
Realtek® ALC S1200A | Realtek® ALC 887 | Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS | Realtek® ALC 662
OS
Windows 10 on all PCs

12122012 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 07:06 AM   #123
Senior Member
 
origamii's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,404
seems like i gonna stay with 3900X until AM5
Processor
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
Mainboard
ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F GAMING
Graphics Card
ASUS GTX 970
Memory
G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB)
Display
Dell 2340L
Storage
WD BLACK SN750 1TB + HDD WD 1TB 64MB Caviar Blue + Samsung 840 120GB SSD SATA3
Casing
NZXT 510
PSU
Super Flower 750W
OS
Windows 10 Professional

origamii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 07:40 AM   #124
Arch-Supremacy Member
 
watzup_ken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 20,295
Yeah what an exciting time for the diy pc building space. (also because for gaming I think next-gen consoles are encroaching on the performance of entry level pc gaming, maybe can push the pc side to be even more competitive).
I am not sure what is your definition of an entry level gaming PC though. The latest consoles are far from an entry level gaming PC in my opinion. Considering most current and last gen games can run at 4K on the Xbox Series X(perhaps with some dynamic resolution), it’s probably catching up with a mid high end gaming PC. Moreover, games are highly optimised for consoles, so you can expect even better performance.
Processor
Ryzen 9 3900X
Mainboard
Asrock X470 Tachi
Graphics Card
EVGA RTX 2060 Super XC Gaming
Memory
Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3600 16GB
Display
MSI Optix MAG271CQR
Storage
Samsung 970 Pro, 850 Pro 512GB/ Crucual MX500 2TB/ WD Black SN750 1TB
Optical Storage
LG Bluray Drive
Casing
Corsair Obsidian 450D
PSU
Corsair 750W
Audio
Realtek
OS
Windows 10 Pro 64bit

watzup_ken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 08:52 AM   #125
Senior Member
 
hafiz116's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,062
I am not sure what is your definition of an entry level gaming PC though. The latest consoles are far from an entry level gaming PC in my opinion. Considering most current and last gen games can run at 4K on the Xbox Series X(perhaps with some dynamic resolution), it’s probably catching up with a mid high end gaming PC. Moreover, games are highly optimised for consoles, so you can expect even better performance.
The term entry level PC is very subjective but I do agree with Ken. From what’s being shown to date looks to me like the next gen consoles are for sure out performing say a Ryzen 5 3600 system with say a NVidia RTX 2060.

Have to remember console games are built specifically for the hardware that’s been hand picked to enter their qualified vendor list. Therefore they are highly tuned to perform at their most optimum vs the large hardware variety PC games are made to support.

In summary PC’s need to be very far ahead of console hardware plus relatively tuned for the latest and greatest to outperform next gen consoles.
Processor
AMD Ryzen 9 3950X - Aorus Liquid Cooler 360
Mainboard
Gigabyte x570 Aorus Xtreme / ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming
Graphics Card
Gigabyte 3080 Eagle / Gigabyte RTX 2080 Ti Aorus Xtreme 11Gb OC / GTX 1070 Founders Edition
Memory
64GB (16GB x 4) G.Skill Trident Z Neo RGB 3600Mhz CL16
Display
Dell Ultrasharp 32” 4K U3219Q / Dell Alienware AW3420DW
Storage
Aorus NVMe Gen 4 SSD 1TB / Sabrent 2TB Rocket Nvme PCIe 4.0
Casing
Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic Razer edition / NZXT H1
PSU
Corsair AX850
Audio
Sennheiser TS 175
OS
Windows 10 Pro x64

hafiz116 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 10:27 AM   #126
High Supremacy Member
 
wwenze's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 44,701
The term entry level PC is very subjective but I do agree with Ken. From what’s being shown to date looks to me like the next gen consoles are for sure out performing say a Ryzen 5 3600 system with say a NVidia RTX 2060.

Have to remember console games are built specifically for the hardware that’s been hand picked to enter their qualified vendor list. Therefore they are highly tuned to perform at their most optimum vs the large hardware variety PC games are made to support.

In summary PC’s need to be very far ahead of console hardware plus relatively tuned for the latest and greatest to outperform next gen consoles.
Funny how we had PS4 games running at 20 fps...



Yes, one advantage of console and iPhone is one (or two) config that we have to make sure works. However while that means no compatibility issues i.e. bugs (Unless you're from Ubisoft, or EA, or... everyone now actually), it tells us nothing about whether it will run faster or not. Optimization just means making the best use of the available resources. And even that is questionable nowadays.

Remember that the quality of the SDK decides the optimization, so poor code on console is still slower than good code on PC. Check AVGN's review of Atari Jaguar for a console that is supposed to be much more powerful but nobody knew how to use it. Saturn was probably true also.
__________________
"You guys need to work because you are essential workers"
"Pay us more then"
"No"

Last edited by wwenze; 18-10-2020 at 10:30 AM..
Processor
Venice 1.9ghz @ 1.1V on Ninja
Mainboard
MSI MS-7184 Amethyst
Graphics Card
Asus HD4770 Formula
Memory
2GB DDR400 (4x512MB rojak)
Display
Samsung SyncMaster 913V
Storage
WD3200KS on foam
Optical Storage
BenQ DW1650
Casing
Compaq Presario
PSU
Seasonic S12-430
Audio
Audigy -> Zhaolu D3 -> Yulong T-Amp -> Paradigm Atom Monitor v.1 (refoamed)
OS
Windows XP Pro w/SP2

wwenze is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 03:27 PM   #127
Arch-Supremacy Member
 
watzup_ken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 20,295
Funny how we had PS4 games running at 20 fps...



Yes, one advantage of console and iPhone is one (or two) config that we have to make sure works. However while that means no compatibility issues i.e. bugs (Unless you're from Ubisoft, or EA, or... everyone now actually), it tells us nothing about whether it will run faster or not. Optimization just means making the best use of the available resources. And even that is questionable nowadays.

Remember that the quality of the SDK decides the optimization, so poor code on console is still slower than good code on PC. Check AVGN's review of Atari Jaguar for a console that is supposed to be much more powerful but nobody knew how to use it. Saturn was probably true also.
My take is that this outgoing gen of consoles, i.e. Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, are all very CPU limited. Thus, the very low FPS. The Polaris GPU is clearly capable of managing higher FPS, but letdown by the very slow Jaguar CPUs, which are basically slower than the Intel Atom/ Celeron chips a few years back. With the next gen consoles running a proper CPU in its SOC, this changes the equation drastically.
Processor
Ryzen 9 3900X
Mainboard
Asrock X470 Tachi
Graphics Card
EVGA RTX 2060 Super XC Gaming
Memory
Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3600 16GB
Display
MSI Optix MAG271CQR
Storage
Samsung 970 Pro, 850 Pro 512GB/ Crucual MX500 2TB/ WD Black SN750 1TB
Optical Storage
LG Bluray Drive
Casing
Corsair Obsidian 450D
PSU
Corsair 750W
Audio
Realtek
OS
Windows 10 Pro 64bit

watzup_ken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 03:30 PM   #128
Arch-Supremacy Member
 
watzup_ken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 20,295
seems like i gonna stay with 3900X until AM5
Likewise. While the improvement in performance is very nice, I think there is very little reason for me to jump to the new CPU. Since I am gaming at 1440p, and with a mid range card, I am not expecting heavy CPU limitations. For the likes of video encoding, I think the current 12 core Ryzen is good enough for me too.
Processor
Ryzen 9 3900X
Mainboard
Asrock X470 Tachi
Graphics Card
EVGA RTX 2060 Super XC Gaming
Memory
Crucial Ballistix DDR4 3600 16GB
Display
MSI Optix MAG271CQR
Storage
Samsung 970 Pro, 850 Pro 512GB/ Crucual MX500 2TB/ WD Black SN750 1TB
Optical Storage
LG Bluray Drive
Casing
Corsair Obsidian 450D
PSU
Corsair 750W
Audio
Realtek
OS
Windows 10 Pro 64bit

watzup_ken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 05:04 PM   #129
Senior Member
 
origamii's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,404
Talking

Likewise. While the improvement in performance is very nice, I think there is very little reason for me to jump to the new CPU. Since I am gaming at 1440p, and with a mid range card, I am not expecting heavy CPU limitations. For the likes of video encoding, I think the current 12 core Ryzen is good enough for me too.
lets hold till AM5 and DDR5
Processor
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
Mainboard
ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F GAMING
Graphics Card
ASUS GTX 970
Memory
G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB)
Display
Dell 2340L
Storage
WD BLACK SN750 1TB + HDD WD 1TB 64MB Caviar Blue + Samsung 840 120GB SSD SATA3
Casing
NZXT 510
PSU
Super Flower 750W
OS
Windows 10 Professional

origamii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 06:14 PM   #130
Senior Member
 
weione's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,170
seem like need to wait for reviews to see how worth the 5000 series are.

Hope that it will be somewhat worth for the price.
Processor
Intel i5-4570 3.2Ghz + CM Hyper T212X
Mainboard
Gigabyte H87M-D3H
Graphics Card
RTX2080 Aorus Xtreme
Memory
2 x 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical 1600mhz CL8 LP
Display
ASUS ROG PG279Q
Storage
Samsung 860 EVO 500GB + WD Blue 1TB
Optical Storage
Samsung 24x DVD
Casing
Corsair 350D
PSU
Corsair RM650
Audio
Creative T4 + Sound Blaster Surround 5.1 Pro
OS
Windows 10 64bit

weione is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 06:37 PM   #131
Senior Member
 
origamii's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,404
seem like need to wait for reviews to see how worth the 5000 series are.

Hope that it will be somewhat worth for the price.
wont your 4570 and h87 bottlenecked your 2080?
Processor
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X
Mainboard
ASUS ROG STRIX X470-F GAMING
Graphics Card
ASUS GTX 970
Memory
G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB)
Display
Dell 2340L
Storage
WD BLACK SN750 1TB + HDD WD 1TB 64MB Caviar Blue + Samsung 840 120GB SSD SATA3
Casing
NZXT 510
PSU
Super Flower 750W
OS
Windows 10 Professional

origamii is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 08:07 PM   #132
Supremacy Member
 
Gattberserk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 8,332
Rocket lake will be something interesting to foward to.


And of cos not forgetting Alderlake that will be releasing in 6-9 mths after Rocket lake.
__________________
Final death rate of Coronavirus in China will confirm go >2% and likely hit 4% or more (feb 9 2020)
Processor
Intel I7-6800K @ 4.3GHz (1.3V)
Mainboard
ASUS X99 Sabertooth
Graphics Card
Gigabyte Aorus GTX 1080 Ti 11G
Memory
Corsair Vengeance 4x8GB DDR4-3200MHz
Display
Acer Predator XB271HU
Storage
Samsung 850 EVO 1TB
Casing
Phantek Enthoo Pro-M Full Acrylic
PSU
Thermaltake TP 1000W 80+ Gold
Audio
Audioengine A2+ Speakers | D1 DAC | S8 Subwoofer | Beyerdynamic DT 880 Pro |
OS
Window 10 Home 64-bits

Gattberserk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 08:17 PM   #133
Supremacy Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 9,239
Time for me to change from Intel Core i7-4790 to Ryzen 5000 series. no point waiting, there always new and better chip every year

upgrade at the right time, hope black friday at newegg or amazon got good deal for ram, ssd and cpu
Processor
M processor 1.86ghz
Mainboard
Intel 915pm
Graphics Card
Nvidia Go 6800/dvi
Memory
1GB (2x512) DDR2 533MHz
Display
17" UltraSharp WXGA 1440 x 900
Storage
Fujitsu MHV2080AH
Casing
Dell Inspiron 9300
PSU
Dell
Audio
SIGMATEL
OS
Microsoft

The_King is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 09:51 PM   #134
Senior Member
 
weione's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,170
wont your 4570 and h87 bottlenecked your 2080?
which is why am hoping for 5000 series to be decent.
Overhaul will come soon
Processor
Intel i5-4570 3.2Ghz + CM Hyper T212X
Mainboard
Gigabyte H87M-D3H
Graphics Card
RTX2080 Aorus Xtreme
Memory
2 x 8GB Crucial Ballistix Tactical 1600mhz CL8 LP
Display
ASUS ROG PG279Q
Storage
Samsung 860 EVO 500GB + WD Blue 1TB
Optical Storage
Samsung 24x DVD
Casing
Corsair 350D
PSU
Corsair RM650
Audio
Creative T4 + Sound Blaster Surround 5.1 Pro
OS
Windows 10 64bit

weione is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-10-2020, 10:09 PM   #135
Supremacy Member
 
fake_hippo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,646
Every year got new cpu.

Just change whenever you need
__________________
ここわどこ⁇
わたしわだれ?
なにもわからない~
Processor
Intel Core i5-10400 Desktop Processor 6 Cores 12 Threads up to 4.3 GHz LGA1200
Mainboard
MSI MAG B460 TOMAHAWK Gaming Motherboard (ATX)
Graphics Card
ASUS GeForce GTX 1660 Super Overclocked 6GB Dual-fan EVO Edition
Memory
Kingston Technology HyperX FURY Black 64 GB Kit CL15 DIMM DDR4 2400 MT/s (HX424C15FBK4/64)
Display
Dell P2319H 23" IPS LED FHD
Storage
Crucial MX500 SSD 500GB
Casing
be quiet! Pure Base 500 + Pure Wings2 140mm Case Fan x2
PSU
Seasonic Core GM-550W PSU 80 PLUS® Gold certified (Semi-Modular)
OS
Windows 10 Professional

fake_hippo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Important Forum Advisory Note
This forum is moderated by volunteer moderators who will react only to members' feedback on posts. Moderators are not employees or representatives of HWZ. Forum members and moderators are responsible for their own posts.

Please refer to our Terms of Service for more information.


Thread Tools

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On