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Old 19-06-2020, 09:47 AM   #3901
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Not worth the premium over the 3700X.
But, will possibly push down the 3700x price.
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Old 19-06-2020, 09:50 AM   #3902
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urs seem like 39.17mm...?

Then I'll probably have to run the D15 in single fan mode, or slap on a 120mm fan instead
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Old 19-06-2020, 10:14 AM   #3903
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upgrading to the ryzen 4k top end (think 4900x or 4950x etc) years after they launch is still a substantial upgrade over a 3600, making the current spending justified.
I highly doubt that is going to happen. Intel is (finally) on the verge of making a breakthrough in fabrication process after half a decade, and computing power in the next 3 to 5 years is definitely going to be much higher than the progress in the past 5 years. So 5 years later, Intel is going to be the undisputed king again and AMD will be playing catch up. An outdated CPU will look bad against the top end/midrange chips at that time, more so than in previous years.

Also, motherboards these days typically only last about 3 years especially if you switch it on/off daily. So my advice is don't plan too far ahead. A decade+ in system building taught me that "future proofing/upgrade" is largely a bunch of words that vanishes into thin air lol.
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Old 19-06-2020, 10:20 AM   #3904
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I highly doubt that is going to happen. Intel is (finally) on the verge of making a breakthrough in fabrication process after half a decade, and computing power in the next 3 to 5 years is definitely going to be much higher than the progress in the past 5 years. So 5 years later, Intel is going to be the undisputed king again and AMD will be playing catch up. An outdated CPU will look bad against the top end chips at that time, more so than in previous years.

Also, motherboards these days typically only last about 3 years especially if you switch it on/off daily. So my advice is don't plan too far ahead. A decade+ in system building taught me that "future proofing/upgrade" is largely a bunch of words that vanishes into thin air lol.
The current upgrade path for Intel and AMD seems about the same with the exception that the AMD has full PCIE 4.0 support making it a more technologically superior board and a cost effective platform. If Intel doesn't catch up in 2 years, I think this will mark the end up Intel's lead completely with respect to adoption rate and sales on both retail and corporate fronts.
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Old 19-06-2020, 10:41 AM   #3905
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The current upgrade path for Intel and AMD seems about the same with the exception that the AMD has full PCIE 4.0 support making it a more technologically superior board and a cost effective platform. If Intel doesn't catch up in 2 years, I think this will mark the end up Intel's lead completely with respect to adoption rate and sales on both retail and corporate fronts.
Corporate sales are safe for them. Most large companies have approved parts or models that are almost always Intel.
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Old 19-06-2020, 10:48 AM   #3906
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Corporate sales are safe for them. Most large companies have approved parts or models that are almost always Intel.
For now. But when big accounts like Nvidia starts switching to AMD for their DGX A100 deep learning system for example, there will come a point when big corporate accounts will also switch to AMD in the forseeable future with others following suit over time. Intel will still maintain this lead currently as they are way too horizontally and vertically integrated they have reach and influence in many markets. Unless there is a breakthrough like what the Core2Duo did for Intel, this trend will see many switching over to AMD gradually especially once contract periods are over and corporate customers are free to renew.

Also, Intel also has alot more OEM partners and resellers compared to AMD. And lastly, the profit margins on Intel based parts generally are more so resellers and integrators prefer selling Intel compared to AMD. It is a hard sell on the retail front though as that is extremely price sensitive.

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Old 19-06-2020, 11:18 AM   #3907
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I highly doubt that is going to happen. Intel is (finally) on the verge of making a breakthrough in fabrication process after half a decade, and computing power in the next 3 to 5 years is definitely going to be much higher than the progress in the past 5 years. So 5 years later, Intel is going to be the undisputed king again and AMD will be playing catch up. An outdated CPU will look bad against the top end/midrange chips at that time, more so than in previous years.

Also, motherboards these days typically only last about 3 years especially if you switch it on/off daily. So my advice is don't plan too far ahead. A decade+ in system building taught me that "future proofing/upgrade" is largely a bunch of words that vanishes into thin air lol.
Think how long the mother board last is not a reliability issue but technology. Most like you change due to new CPU, new interface, or speed reason and not because it failed. fabrication process is another story, some use the chip nm to reflect CPU technology. It has no direct relation. 16nm chip remained the most reliable.

For the chip technology part. Yes, fully agreed. One has to keep in mind Intel has design to manufacturing. AMD no longer manufacture the chip themselves.
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Old 19-06-2020, 11:21 AM   #3908
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For now. But when big accounts like Nvidia starts switching to AMD for their DGX A100 deep learning system for example, there will come a point when big corporate accounts will also switch to AMD in the forseeable future with others following suit over time. Intel will still maintain this lead currently as they are way too horizontally and vertically integrated they have reach and influence in many markets. Unless there is a breakthrough like what the Core2Duo did for Intel, this trend will see many switching over to AMD gradually especially once contract periods are over and corporate customers are free to renew.

Also, Intel also has alot more OEM partners and resellers compared to AMD. And lastly, the profit margins on Intel based parts generally are more so resellers and integrators prefer selling Intel compared to AMD. It is a hard sell on the retail front though as that is extremely price sensitive.
Sometime, this may be due to cost reason and not necessary because it is the best.
Historically, AMD selling points is always more cores, more internal cache, higher clocking speed.

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Old 19-06-2020, 11:27 AM   #3909
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Sometime, this may be due to cost reason and not necessary because it is the best.
Historically, AMD selling points is always more cores, more internal cache, higher clocking speed.
No, historically it was cheap price, OK performance.
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Old 19-06-2020, 11:29 AM   #3910
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Sometime, this may be due to cost reason and not necessary because it is the best.
Historically, AMD selling points is always more cores, more internal cache, higher clocking speed.
As to why nvidia switched to AMD was clearly because it ran faster and had PCIE 4.0.

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Yeah dump that garbage AOC monitor, get an Acer VG252q. Similar price, better panel.
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Yeah dump that garbage AOC monitor, get an Acer VG252q. Similar price, better panel.
Top 4 items are on hand already. Haha

The bottom one yet to purchase or pending.

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AOC got so bad meh?
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Can i check if ASUS X570 TUF Gaming Plus Wifi is a good board comparing to MSI X570 Tomahawk Wifi?

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