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Encrypted11 05-10-2017 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by watzup_ken (Post 110634820)
I don't necessarily agree that the K series is attractive. It's touted as an overclocking chip, but I feel the poor quality TIM used have time and again proved that there is limited OC headroom due to thermal limitation.

The leaks seem to indicate the i5-8400 as the star buy, why?
Base clock 2.8GHz, 4.0GHz boost (1T turbo multiplier). i5 didn't use to have 4GHz on the single core turbo table.

Board vendors can do what they've been doing since sandybridge. MultiCore Enhancement: The Debate About Free MHz - AnandTech

What it does:

On paper, at least till Kaby Lake Turboboost can sustain 127 second max. But in reality with dynamic frequency and voltage scaling, it is as good as infinite.

In response to this existential threat during Ryzen launch, AMD puts this in their review guideline to disable MCE which is present in just about all the asus, gigabyte,msi, asrock etc boards to boost Ryzen numbers (esp gaming shortfall)
(This was from Paul's hardware where he openly shared AMD's review guideline, watermark on top right)


The joke though, B360 and H310 boards are still not close to launch that invalidates the 8400 as a good buy (tentative).

K chip on the other hand, my stance on the i5-K remains. The locked i7 can do MCE (again, 1T clock + MCE) and outperform i5-K as with past gens. Overall the only K chip really worth buying is the 8700K but it is cost prohibitive if you factor
-delid tool and use of Galinstan alloy (aka liquid metal)
-Must relid or higher risk of substrate damage, can't overtighten HS
(Skylake++ PCB is thinner than credit card)
-Officially no warranty
(Some Intel Performance Tuning Plan OC warranty users on OCN say the support agent may replace it under PTP activation)

Z boards should be skipped unless you get 8700K.
All else goes to B-H series board (i3-K, i5-K are bad buys due to MCE on locked chips)

watzup_ken 05-10-2017 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tazzi80 (Post 110637604)
Does Ryzen comes with international warranty? The price in Amazon is pretty attractive.

I already pulled the trigger. Haha. Warranty shld be international if I am not mistaken.

PiPiChew 05-10-2017 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by watzup_ken (Post 110637678)
I already pulled the trigger. Haha. Warranty shld be international if I am not mistaken.

Compared to 1 shot hampalang buy from the few shops in SLS based on price list, vs buying from Qoo10 Lazada Amazon etc, how much am I saving for the extra time and effort to hunt and wait for delivery?


https://i.imgur.com/5rnlgp2l.jpg

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OceanEleven 05-10-2017 11:09 AM

ASUS Motherboards ROG CROSSHAIR VI VS the Extreme.
Using for net surfing, multi window, multitasking, some gaming.
No streaming, video editing etc. May try OC.
BTW is a 550W PSU enough?

watzup_ken 05-10-2017 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by PiPiChew (Post 110637747)
Compared to 1 shot hampalang buy from the few shops in SLS based on price list, vs buying from Qoo10 Lazada Amazon etc, how much am I saving for the extra time and effort to hunt and wait for delivery?


https://i.imgur.com/5rnlgp2l.jpg

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Wow, so detailed. Haha. With the R5 1600X going at 200 USD and an estimated exchange rate of 1.4, it will cost 280 SGD. Mobo, I managed to get the Gigabyte AB350M Gaming 3 at 70 USD, so it's about 98 SGD. Shipping is free. I will need to get a separate cooler, so it's another 20 SGD from Lazada after discount. So total damage is about 400 bucks.

Rashkae 05-10-2017 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OceanEleven (Post 110637827)
ASUS Motherboards ROG CROSSHAIR VI VS the Extreme.
Using for net surfing, multi window, multitasking, some gaming.
No streaming, video editing etc. May try OC.
BTW is a 550W PSU enough?

Why go for a high end board when you have modest requirements?

OceanEleven 05-10-2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rashkae (Post 110638593)
Why go for a high end board when you have modest requirements?

I like the number of USB ports available.
Also seems like Crosshair is kinda more complete board.

robolee 05-10-2017 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by watzup_ken (Post 110637678)
I already pulled the trigger. Haha. Warranty shld be international if I am not mistaken.

Don't think it's international wor cuz got Convergent Sticker or Corbell Sticker on it unlike intel :s11:

hlots123 05-10-2017 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Encrypted11 (Post 110635817)
Z boards should be skipped unless you get 8700K.
All else goes to B-H series board (i3-K, i5-K are bad buys due to MCE on locked chips)

ohh so mce is available on b-h coffee lake mobos? cuz i dun rem seeing mce on asus b150i with i3-6100

edit, mayb cuz i3-6100 no boost?!

tazzi80 05-10-2017 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by robolee (Post 110639448)
Don't think it's international wor cuz got Convergent Sticker or Corbell Sticker on it unlike intel :s11:

Found a thread on this a few months back.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/ha...y-5653854.html

watzup_ken 05-10-2017 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by robolee (Post 110639448)
Don't think it's international wor cuz got Convergent Sticker or Corbell Sticker on it unlike intel :s11:

Local distro sticker does not mean that there is no international warranty though. Normally hardware parts should have international warranty. In this case, local distro only facilitates the collection and sending of RMA parts back to the manufacturer on our behalf.

Encrypted11 05-10-2017 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hlots123 (Post 110639884)
ohh so mce is available on b-h coffee lake mobos? cuz i dun rem seeing mce on asus b150i with i3-6100

edit, mayb cuz i3-6100 no boost?!


Should be because i3 got no turbo boost multiplier table. But haven't board makers been rigging benchmark (good thing) with MCE since forever? :s34: Iirc msi b150m + i5-6500 have.

In a way it is a like a pascal gpu boost 3.0 (not guaranteed but still achieve)

Coffee lake not sure, but past MCE behaviour manipulating turboboost frequency table says yes (Stilt, Anandtech on 8 gen release article by Ryan Smith, kitguru gigabyte z370 interview). Unless maybe MCE is patched off by things like Management Engine firmware (certain older Xeon MCE OC).

hlots123 05-10-2017 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Encrypted11 (Post 110640539)
Should be because i3 got no turbo boost multiplier table. But haven't board makers been rigging benchmark (good thing) with MCE since forever? :s34: Iirc msi b150m + i5-6500 have.

In a way it is a like a pascal gpu boost 3.0 (not guaranteed but still achieve)

Coffee lake not sure, but past MCE behaviour manipulating turboboost frequency table says yes (Stilt, Anandtech on 8 gen release article by Ryan Smith, kitguru gigabyte z370 interview). Unless maybe MCE is patched off by things like Management Engine firmware (certain older Xeon MCE OC).

https://www.techporn.ph/asus-b150i-p...rboard-review/
found uefi screenshots of b150i with 6600k, but dun see mce option
on my m8h, mce setting is between "ai oc tuner" & "cpu core ratio" iirc

sry for the ot, guys...

Encrypted11 05-10-2017 02:50 PM

Not sure cuz I don't own that. :o

It's a feature that's spotty to enable, different bios option combo. Need to check user discussion on specific board. Some are default there, some need to confirm with frequency behaviour?

Some got explicitly list things like "enhanced turbo", some are pegged to other options like b/h version of "XMP". Something there but for user to figure but most people don't check those. So moi don't has specific answer.

sorry for ot :s34:

Shahmatt 05-10-2017 03:59 PM

Is the wait for Raven Ridge worth it?

Was thinking of saving money by avoiding GPU, but looking at the waiting time, relatively high price of Ryzen 3 and nothing cheaper, low mobo choice (for ITX), I am thinking of going with Pentium with dGPU.


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