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Old 23-05-2020, 07:40 AM   #76
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Wait so, there's a 4000 series which is based on the Zen 2 and another 4000series that based on Zen 3?
Its always been the case since Ryzen 2xxx series. The Ryzen 2xxxG APUs are based on Ryzen 1xxx CPUs with a Vega GPU. So Ryzen 4xxxG is using the current 3xxx CPU with a Vega chip @ 7nm.
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Old 23-05-2020, 07:42 AM   #77
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14nm since when ah ?


Since Q4 2014 I think. I know 14nm starts with Intel Broadwell, which got replaced by Skylake.
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Old 23-05-2020, 09:04 AM   #78
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Since Q4 2014 I think. I know 14nm starts with Intel Broadwell, which got replaced by Skylake.
Yeah broadwell 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...oarchitectures

2020 - 2014 =6 years liao!! that's a dinosaur gap in microprocessor tech
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Old 23-05-2020, 09:49 AM   #79
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Its always been the case since Ryzen 2xxx series. The Ryzen 2xxxG APUs are based on Ryzen 1xxx CPUs with a Vega GPU. So Ryzen 4xxxG is using the current 3xxx CPU with a Vega chip @ 7nm.
Yes, most review indicate is old blue print with new build, may be more core, more cache so benchmarks result should be good.

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Old 23-05-2020, 10:22 AM   #80
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Who is looking forward to Zen 3?


I saw retire engineer post a source that the IPC is expected to hit additional 17%-20% alone (from Zen 2) without including speed boost from EUV 7nm+.
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Old 23-05-2020, 12:37 PM   #81
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Desktop Ryzen
4xxx is based on Zen 3 and without any GPU, coming in September
4xxxG is based on Zen 2 with GPU, coming in September

Mobile Ryzen
4xxxU is based on Zen 2 with 15-25W TDP now selling or selling soon
4xxxH and 4xxxHS is based on Zen 2 with 35/45W TDP is now selling or selling soon
Same like 3000 series ma. Apu version is gpu+zen+. Non apu version is zen2.
Its always been the case since Ryzen 2xxx series. The Ryzen 2xxxG APUs are based on Ryzen 1xxx CPUs with a Vega GPU. So Ryzen 4xxxG is using the current 3xxx CPU with a Vega chip @ 7nm.
Ok, Thx. Totally lost with CPU tech liao.
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Old 23-05-2020, 03:18 PM   #82
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Who is looking forward to Zen 3?


I saw retire engineer post a source that the IPC is expected to hit additional 17%-20% alone (from Zen 2) without including speed boost from EUV 7nm+.
I don't think they are moving to 7nm EUV with Zen 3.

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Old 23-05-2020, 10:49 PM   #84
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The recommendations are quite mixed between different review sites. For example, Kitguru pretty much kind of slammed the i5 10600.

Personally, I think Intel's Comet Lake is pretty much pointless. Consider existing Intel 8 and 9th gen users, there is very little incentive to upgrade to the 10th gen with the same number of core counts. Just overclock them, and you pretty much get the Comet Lake sort of performance. Also you have very strong competition from AMD across all the segment, which is also more affordable than what Intel offers. At the top end with the i9, it is the fastest gaming CPU for sure. But with AMD's Ryzen 9 3900X in the way and being a superior all rounder CPU, not sure how many enthusiasts will actually pick it up. So that is my opinion.
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Old 23-05-2020, 11:26 PM   #85
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The recommendations are quite mixed between different review sites. For example, Kitguru pretty much kind of slammed the i5 10600.

Personally, I think Intel's Comet Lake is pretty much pointless. Consider existing Intel 8 and 9th gen users, there is very little incentive to upgrade to the 10th gen with the same number of core counts. Just overclock them, and you pretty much get the Comet Lake sort of performance. Also you have very strong competition from AMD across all the segment, which is also more affordable than what Intel offers. At the top end with the i9, it is the fastest gaming CPU for sure. But with AMD's Ryzen 9 3900X in the way and being a superior all rounder CPU, not sure how many enthusiasts will actually pick it up. So that is my opinion.
Personally as an Intel user, I think Comet Lake is a botched effort by Intel to just buy them time if they ever will come out with a smaller node process. IPC is virtually zero. I run 5.3Ghz on my 9900KS and get virtually the same 540 score for single threaded score on Cinebench R20. ZERO gains.

PCIE 4.0 is also missing. Z490 seems to be just a rebranded Z390 with "included" PCIE 4.0 support but CPU's can't support them.

At the end of the day, Intel is only the fastest gaming CPU at 1080p. Anything 1440p onwards, almost all the CPUs perform pretty much neck to neck. I find it hard that people buy such a flagship CPU only to game at 1080p. Pretty dumb unless you are a super competitive player and require to run as high FPS as you possibly can at 1080p with something like 240Hz refresh rate. The rare exception for some.

To me, the only advantage Intel has over AMD is memory platform latency and that makes a pretty good difference in your 0.1% lows in games. Even sheer memory frequencies are attainable on the Intel platform. But with B-die ceasing production, it kind of defeats this advantage now.
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So basically 10th gen is basically Kaby Lake on super steroids?
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So basically 10th gen is basically Kaby Lake on super steroids?
yup. Think of it as a "default overclock"
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