["sanbo"]

Decided to get a i5-8600k but can't seem to decide which Z370 Mobo to pair with. Any ideas guys?

[elmariachi]

Depends on your budget but I am a fan of the Aorus Gaming 7 motherboard.

[ZrE0_Cha0s]

anyway needs from the mobo and budget constraint?

[Encrypted11]

I still don't see how any of the K CPUs are a good buy. Especially i3-8350k and i5-8600K. i7-8700K I can understand for the mainstream halo.

If you factor the total cost of ownership of a 8600K vs. i7-8700 (Same as i5-6600k vs. i7-6700 relationship)
(+Higher end cooler, more power consumption, less consistent performance). Is the 8600K really that great? You can enable multicore enhancement to run locked i7-8700 at 4.6GHz all core (locked CPU overclocking)?

Here's a Gigabyte confirmation on the gamersnexus MCE video. Basically gamersnexus was doing a callout on twitter, when someone linked him AnandTech's 5 year old MCE article since he initially had no idea of the actual reason some review benchmarks are high, some are low (MCE being the reason)


There is even this twitter thread when a puget systems reviewer that lacked the knowledge of MCE being a 5+ year old "bug" who stirred the hornet's hive on the subject matter. Other reviewers like Hardware Canucks chipping in that MCE existed in their Z68 board's default setting.
https://twitter.com/hardwarecanucks/...88762324234242

tl;dr remark: Is it true that i7-8700 is a superior part to the 8600K with a lower total cost of ownership?

Personal opinion: i3-8100<i5-8400<i7-8700<i7-8700K
(Don't bother with the "neither here or there 8350k and 8600K")

[gld998]

"sanbo" wrote:

Decided to get a i5-8600k but can't seem to decide which Z370 Mobo to pair with. Any ideas guys?

Just get the cheapest. Invest more gpu ie gtx1080ti if u into gaming

[-Synchronicity-]

Encrypted11 wrote:

I still don't see how any of the K CPUs are a good buy. Especially i3-8350k and i5-8600K. i7-8700K I can understand for the mainstream halo.

If you factor the total cost of ownership of a 8600K vs. i7-8700 (Same as i5-6600k vs. i7-6700 relationship)
(+Higher end cooler, more power consumption, less consistent performance). Is the 8600K really that great? You can enable multicore enhancement to run locked i7-8700 at 4.6GHz all core (locked CPU overclocking)?

Here's a Gigabyte confirmation on the gamersnexus MCE video. Basically gamersnexus was doing a callout on twitter, when someone linked him AnandTech's 5 year old MCE article since he initially had no idea of the actual reason some review benchmarks are high, some are low (MCE being the reason)


There is even this twitter thread when a puget systems reviewer that lacked the knowledge of MCE being a 5+ year old "bug" who stirred the hornet's hive on the subject matter. Other reviewers like Hardware Canucks chipping in that MCE existed in their Z68 board's default setting.
https://twitter.com/hardwarecanucks/...88762324234242

tl;dr remark: Is it true that i7-8700 is a superior part to the 8600K with a lower total cost of ownership?

Personal opinion: i3-8100<i5-8400<i7-8700<i7-8700K
(Don't bother with the "neither here or there 8350k and 8600K")

+1 to this

[Bardiel]

msi z370 gaming lor. cheap n z370 (no valid for promo bundle)

unless u hoot their higher end then can enjoy msi bundle offer

[harharhar]

Encrypted11 wrote:

I still don't see how any of the K CPUs are a good buy. Especially i3-8350k and i5-8600K. i7-8700K I can understand for the mainstream halo.

If you factor the total cost of ownership of a 8600K vs. i7-8700 (Same as i5-6600k vs. i7-6700 relationship)
(+Higher end cooler, more power consumption, less consistent performance). Is the 8600K really that great? You can enable multicore enhancement to run locked i7-8700 at 4.6GHz all core (locked CPU overclocking)?

Here's a Gigabyte confirmation on the gamersnexus MCE video. Basically gamersnexus was doing a callout on twitter, when someone linked him AnandTech's 5 year old MCE article since he initially had no idea of the actual reason some review benchmarks are high, some are low (MCE being the reason)


There is even this twitter thread when a puget systems reviewer that lacked the knowledge of MCE being a 5+ year old "bug" who stirred the hornet's hive on the subject matter. Other reviewers like Hardware Canucks chipping in that MCE existed in their Z68 board's default setting.
https://twitter.com/hardwarecanucks/...88762324234242

tl;dr remark: Is it true that i7-8700 is a superior part to the 8600K with a lower total cost of ownership?

Personal opinion: i3-8100<i5-8400<i7-8700<i7-8700K
(Don't bother with the "neither here or there 8350k and 8600K")

Seconded. The reason why I went with B150 + i7-6700 instead of Z170 + i5-6600K at that time (was it 2 years ago already???)

[hlots123]

harharhar wrote:

Seconded. The reason why I went with B150 + i7-6700 instead of Z170 + i5-6600K at that time (was it 2 years ago already???)

but isn't Encrypted11 taking mce into context in his comparison, which i think ur b150+6700 dun hav...?
besides, ram at 2133 loses out tho i dunno how much on other games, but in witcher3 quite significantly...

[Encrypted11]

hlots123 wrote:

but isn't Encrypted11 taking mce into context in his comparison, which i think ur b150+6700 dun hav...?
besides, ram at 2133 loses out tho i dunno how much on other games, but in witcher3 quite significantly...

Looking back at Macclipper's thread U had asus b150i pro gaming right?

That board really no such option in the "fake" non oc board XMP submenu?
At least for Z170 asus including ROG the combo is toggled on via
-XMP (Then in the MCE pop up dialogue hit ok than cancel)
-Or alternatively Extreme Tweaker/OC Menu toggle MCE to auto right?
-And also turboboost enabled

Iirc linus's comparison of i7 vs i5-8400 was definitely a by product of MCE.

[hlots123]

Encrypted11 wrote:

Looking back at Macclipper's thread U had asus b150i pro gaming right?

That board really no such option in the "fake" non oc board XMP submenu?
At least for Z170 asus including ROG the combo is toggled on via
-XMP (Then in the MCE pop up dialogue hit ok than cancel)
-Or alternatively Extreme Tweaker/OC Menu toggle MCE to auto right?
-And also turboboost enabled

Iirc linus's comparison of i7 vs i5-8400 was definitely a by product of MCE.

ahh, u mean enabling xmp could discreetly enable mce?
hmm, if so i stand corrected - but i can't cfm because using i3-6100 no turbo (plus currently its used in ofc, no testing)

[Encrypted11]

hlots123 wrote:

ahh, u mean enabling xmp could discreetly enable mce?
hmm, if so i stand corrected - but i can't cfm because using i3-6100 no turbo (plus currently its used in ofc, no testing)

Yes, its

Spoiler!

Step 1: Make sure normal turboboost is auto or enabled (normally default enabled)
step 2: XMP
step 3: XMP: MCE popup keyima? (Keyi)

Alternatively,
in boards that can explicitly OC (asus example)
step 1: TB enabled
step 2: MCE

But the most direct way to find out if its definitely enabled is to save the bios profile in the .txt file and check the log, since locked boards have similar features except you don't get to decide to enable or disable within bios and the manufacturer decides.

Edit: Or manually eyeball the frequency behaviour.

Also if the intel PR this round says "we won't tell you what is the default per core TB value (without MCE override)", it can still be detected with Intel XTU + Management engine driver.

So if Anandtech also didn't receive the official table info (Their editor charted it in excel), they probably used XTU to easily extract the numbers on the chips they were sampled. Its on the top right of window.

[MoneyFace =p]

Just get the cheapest Z370 board and calls it a day cos it will be eventually succeeded by Z390 next year trollolol....

[hlots123]

Encrypted11 wrote:

Yes, its

Spoiler!

Step 1: Make sure normal turboboost is auto or enabled (normally default enabled)
step 2: XMP
step 3: XMP: MCE popup keyima? (Keyi)

Alternatively,
in boards that can explicitly OC (asus example)
step 1: TB enabled
step 2: MCE

But the most direct way to find out if its definitely enabled is to save the bios profile in the .txt file and check the log, since locked boards have similar features except you don't get to decide to enable or disable within bios and the manufacturer decides.

currently someone using pc, but i found an old saved .txt profile - on 1st glance no mce...

Spoiler!

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[Encrypted11]

hlots123 wrote:

[2017/01/20 18:36:43]

Mature bios, probably its final.
Means not the best motherboard brand anymore