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Old 18-11-2018, 09:29 AM   #1
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Angry Slow boot up times, Constant BSODs, sometimes cannot boot up

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This is purely an advice thread on attempting to revive this rojak and crappy build that I have. For advice on upgrades, please hold onto them until I open an upgrade thread relating to the same rig (which will happen in the very near future).


Main problems:
  • Windows 10 Professional takes damn long to boot up to user desktop (15 minutes!) (Removing the IDE hard drives reduces boot time to 10 minutes) - so this is only one of the causes.
  • Windows also doesn't function stably, usually pops up one of the following messages:
  • BAD_POOL_HEADER
  • CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT
  • IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
  • ATTEMPTED_WRITE_TO_READONLY_MEMORY
  • NO_USER_MODE_CONTEXT
  • REFERENCE_ONLY_POINTER
  • KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
  • PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
  • The randomness of the messages makes it exceptionally difficult to determine the exact problem, or worse still how many problems there actually are.
  • Further, after the computer reboots from the BSODs, sometimes it can boot, and sometimes it will refuse to boot entirely (it will boot up with the hard disk light on fully, and power down abruptly after 30 seconds or so, before immediately re-powering up after 1 second). And it will keep repeating. Usually, if power is cut off for about 2 days, it will return to normal until it BSODs again.

I usually hibernate this unit since it only takes 90 seconds to return to the Desktop.

Here are the specs to this rojak rig:
  • GIGABYTE EP45-UD3R (rev 1.1)
  • Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 with stock fan cooler (currently set to clock at the maximum speed of 3.00Ghz)
  • Corsair Vengenance 2GB x 2 PC2-6400 running at 800Mhz in Bus A, Kingston ValueRAM 2GB x 2 PC2-5300 running at 633Mhz in Bus B
  • 2 x 80GB IDE Seagate Barracuda ATA 7200.7 HDD
  • 1 x 160GB SATA II Seagate Barracuda ATA 7200.10 HDD
  • 1 x 500GB SATA II Seagate Barracuda ATA 7200.10 HDD
  • 1 x 1TB SATA III Seagate Barracuda ATA 7200.11 HDD --> Current Boot Drive
  • 1 x 2TB SATA III Seagate Barracuda ATA Desktop HDD
  • 1 x 80GB SATA II Hitachi Travelstar HDD (2.5")
  • NVIDIA Geforce 630 GT
  • Cooler Master V650 80 Plus Full Modular Power Supply (650W)
  • 1 x SATA DVD Writer LG
The only hard drive to report faults under CrystalDiskInfo is the one in bold, which has 3 reallocated sectors. Other than that the drives are all fine.

The computer previously had a silverstone 600W that exploded and smoked, not sure if this caused the motherboard shock.


Hoping for some answers to explain why the rig is screwing itself this way. Looking forward to all of your advice, thanks!

EDIT: Previous history
Silverstone Chibabom Incident (2014)
-Caused the 500GB Seagate Drive to suffer from 3 reallocated sectors

ICACLS Nightmare (2016)
-This one is quite interesting because I essentially restored only the file permissions from a backup (NOT a whole image, nor did I do a reinstallation). Can provide more details on this later.
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Old 18-11-2018, 09:33 AM   #2
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Disconnect all HDD except the OS drive and report.
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Old 18-11-2018, 09:38 AM   #3
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Probably a HDD problem. Suggest you disconnect all the HDD except the OS HDD and try booting.
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Old 18-11-2018, 09:38 AM   #4
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Very very slow boot up time- highly likely your boot HDD os faulty/dying. Whats the crystal diskmark score for that hdd? And move all crucial stuff out of the boot drive first.
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Old 18-11-2018, 09:38 AM   #5
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Disconnect all HDD except the OS drive and report.

Is it also possible that stability will improve if i lower the clock speed by one notch to 2.7Ghz?
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Old 18-11-2018, 10:14 AM   #6
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Very very slow boot up time- highly likely your boot HDD os faulty/dying. Whats the crystal diskmark score for that hdd? And move all crucial stuff out of the boot drive first.

Don't have the CrystalDiskMark scores now, but if you are asking for the disk write speeds (sequential/random):


IDE Drives: 33.8MB/s / 10.2MB/s
SATA Drives: 102.3MB/s / 50.3MB/s (EXCEPT the 500GB Seagate Drive: 77.8MB/s / 20.3MB/s)


Not sure how this is supposed to be significant information though.


Also updated the information in the main text to reflect the critical history to this computer.
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Old 18-11-2018, 11:48 AM   #7
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Hi all,


This is purely an advice thread on attempting to revive this rojak and crappy build that I have. For advice on upgrades, please hold onto them until I open an upgrade thread relating to the same rig (which will happen in the very near future).


Main problems:
  • Windows 10 Professional takes damn long to boot up to user desktop (15 minutes!) (Removing the IDE hard drives reduces boot time to 10 minutes) - so this is only one of the causes.
  • Windows also doesn't function stably, usually pops up one of the following messages:
  • BAD_POOL_HEADER
  • CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT
  • IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
  • ATTEMPTED_WRITE_TO_READONLY_MEMORY
  • NO_USER_MODE_CONTEXT
  • REFERENCE_ONLY_POINTER
  • KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED
  • PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
  • The randomness of the messages makes it exceptionally difficult to determine the exact problem, or worse still how many problems there actually are.
  • Further, after the computer reboots from the BSODs, sometimes it can boot, and sometimes it will refuse to boot entirely (it will boot up with the hard disk light on fully, and power down abruptly after 30 seconds or so, before immediately re-powering up after 1 second). And it will keep repeating. Usually, if power is cut off for about 2 days, it will return to normal until it BSODs again.

I usually hibernate this unit since it only takes 90 seconds to return to the Desktop.

Here are the specs to this rojak rig:
  • GIGABYTE EP45-UD3R (rev 1.1)
  • Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 with stock fan cooler (currently set to clock at the maximum speed of 3.00Ghz)
  • Corsair Vengenance 2GB x 2 PC2-6400 running at 800Mhz in Bus A, Kingston ValueRAM 2GB x 2 PC2-5300 running at 633Mhz in Bus B
  • 2 x 80GB IDE Seagate Barracuda ATA 7200.7 HDD
  • 1 x 160GB SATA II Seagate Barracuda ATA 7200.10 HDD
  • 1 x 500GB SATA II Seagate Barracuda ATA 7200.10 HDD
  • 1 x 1TB SATA III Seagate Barracuda ATA 7200.11 HDD --> Current Boot Drive
  • 1 x 2TB SATA III Seagate Barracuda ATA Desktop HDD
  • 1 x 80GB SATA II Hitachi Travelstar HDD (2.5")
  • NVIDIA Geforce 630 GT
  • Cooler Master V650 80 Plus Full Modular Power Supply (650W)
  • 1 x SATA DVD Writer LG
The only hard drive to report faults under CrystalDiskInfo is the one in bold, which has 3 reallocated sectors. Other than that the drives are all fine.

The computer previously had a silverstone 600W that exploded and smoked, not sure if this caused the motherboard shock.


Hoping for some answers to explain why the rig is screwing itself this way. Looking forward to all of your advice, thanks!

EDIT: Previous history
Silverstone Chibabom Incident (2014)
-Caused the 500GB Seagate Drive to suffer from 3 reallocated sectors

ICACLS Nightmare (2016)
-This one is quite interesting because I essentially restored only the file permissions from a backup (NOT a whole image, nor did I do a reinstallation). Can provide more details on this later.
It looks like a lot of possibilities. Your RAM is mixture of different brands and speed. Try to use single stick. As for your hard disk, those seagate model with 7200.10, disconnect them. they are known for failure due to the firmware. it will lockup the drive even though its use minimally.

Also try using a fresh clean installation os drive and see if you face the same problems..
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Old 18-11-2018, 11:56 AM   #8
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The last time I face almost same issue was the fault of the PSU 450W. I have a SATA CD-RW, 1 SATA 2TB HD, 1 SATA 160GB HD and a dedicated graphic card.

When 2 HDs present, system just refuse to bootup. When I removed either 1 HD, it bootup fine. So I can presume the power not enough. After getting a 550W. now working fine.

As for your issue, as 1 member replied, just put only that HD with OS and see it will boot.
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Old 18-11-2018, 11:57 AM   #9
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Btw why do you need so many HDs in your PC
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Old 18-11-2018, 12:14 PM   #10
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Btw why do you need so many HDs in your PC

Accumulating 30 years worth of data since 1991... If the disk is not dead, I will just keep stretching it until it's destined to fail. The 80GB HDDs are 15 years old now (!) and it still runs pretty well
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Old 18-11-2018, 01:22 PM   #11
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Accumulating 30 years worth of data since 1991... If the disk is not dead, I will just keep stretching it until it's destined to fail. The 80GB HDDs are 15 years old now (!) and it still runs pretty well
Backup your 30 years of data(if you haven't already)

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by re-using hdds as old as that; hdds and in general most mainstream computer parts are so affordable right now that there is no need to stretch your dollar to that extend.

My advice is to backup all your drives, when you can, and consolidate them to fewer drives. Just one single problematic drive in your rig will slow your bootup to a crawl. 10minutes+ bootup time is ridiculous. Hell, even the 90secs of un-hibernate time is atrocious in yesteryear's standards.
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Backup your 30 years of data(if you haven't already)

I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by re-using hdds as old as that; hdds and in general most mainstream computer parts are so affordable right now that there is no need to stretch your dollar to that extend.

My advice is to backup all your drives, when you can, and consolidate them to fewer drives. Just one single problematic drive in your rig will slow your bootup to a crawl. 10minutes+ bootup time is ridiculous. Hell, even the 90secs of un-hibernate time is atrocious in yesteryear's standards.

I already have a mirror of it elsewhere in a portable hard drive, now just pushing the 80GB drives to the limit until they stop spinning.


Most people are living in the SSD generation, so of course you would say this is atrocious, etc. But don't forget you were once living in a 5.4k/7.2k RPM. It's painful, but I have only very recently started to see SSDs reaching their economical pricepoint. The price: capacity ratio is the one thing that drives me away from SSDs. On a practical level the speed improvement wasn't drastic enough for me to make a change.
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Old 18-11-2018, 03:22 PM   #13
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[*]Corsair Vengenance 2GB x 2 PC2-6400 running at 800Mhz in Bus A, Kingston ValueRAM 2GB x 2 PC2-5300 running at 633Mhz in Bus B
You sure on this ? As there is no way for cpu to talk to different slot/channel with different speed. You can mix different speed in different slot/channel, but there can only be 1 unified speed to talk to cpu.
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You sure on this ? As there is no way for cpu to talk to different slot/channel with different speed. You can mix different speed in different slot/channel, but there can only be 1 unified speed to talk to cpu.



Can. Just make sure that the RAM of the same bus speed is in the same colour slot. Has worked for me for 4 years but not sure if this is the cause of the slowdown. At least it wasn't so bad when it was still running Windows 7.

The Corsair Vengeance is forced to run at a lower speed of 633Mhz, because of the Kingston ValueRAM.
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Old 18-11-2018, 11:12 PM   #15
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Note that if both rams are of different speed, system will operate at the lower speed. Same as a router speed via a usb wireless adaptor.
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