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Old 20-10-2018, 11:56 PM   #61
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where you got that price? local or amazon

actually for those high speed like adata xpg nvme, what kind of work really benefits from that kind of speed?
Normal users wont benefit much from NVME. Unless your work involves regular large file transfers, the speed won't be much of a difference, for now. Game engines like UE4 are beginning to rely more and more on drive speeds, so we might see NVMEs begin to become consumer-relevant when future games run better on faster drives.
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Old 21-10-2018, 01:15 AM   #62
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I dont see any mx500 at $204
10.10 - 30$. standard price is 230+4.5 shipping. 2.5" looks completely OOS though, m.2 version is there for the same price

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Old 21-10-2018, 09:51 AM   #63
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where you got that price? local or amazon

actually for those high speed like adata xpg nvme, ...?
Not forgetting Intel Optane :



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Old 21-10-2018, 01:31 PM   #64
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Nice reasoning there. And hence why close to no one will ever buy large-volume SSDs from local resellers So you tell me: who wins in this case?

Option A: The consumer who can simply turn to Amazon even though shipping may take a week or more

or

Option B: The local reseller who INSISTS on charging a 70% markup and ends up not selling ANY of his stock at all, leading to a overall loss since he cant sell his stock of SSDs?

So just because SSDs are a niche product, its LOGICAL to be charging 70% markups even though its painfully, no, BLATANTLY obvious that we can get it cheaper elsewhere? What sort of nonsense argument is that?

Its like Best Denki selling Dell laptops at 4000 SGD when Dell.com.sg sells it at 2000 SGD online. Best Denki has the advantage of having a physical presence and shorter and cheaper shipping. But no one bothers buying from Best Denki

Best Denki realises they're making a loss since NO ONE buys their laptops that they ordered from the supplier, Dell. So instead of charging a small markup like say, 300$, they CONTINUE selling at 4000$, go bankrupt and then blame it on the consumers. Stupid hor?

Would You rather sell your stock that you already bought from the supplier and have on hand at a small markup that's REASONABLE and at least make some money or be an idiot and persist in selling that stock at a price that NO SANE PERSON WILL BUY AT? and basically be stuck with a full inventory of stock you cant sell?

Local retailers have the advantage of(for some) a physical store to browse and collect goods at, and a much shorter and cheaper delivery time. You charge me a reasonable markup for that, I'm more than willing to pay.
Local retailers buy from local distributors at certain price and resell at MSRP.

For example Samsung 860evo 1tb @ 315 before gst. Resells at $369 include gst. Profit margin typically 8-12%. Seems like you have the impression that retailers buy at $200 and sell at $369, thats not true.

Do consider market size and demand. USA population 325m vs Singapore 6m. You go mama shop buy things cheaper or NTUC/ShengShiong?
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Old 21-10-2018, 03:17 PM   #65
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Do consider market size and demand. USA population 325m vs Singapore 6m. You go mama shop buy things cheaper or NTUC/ShengShiong?
This.

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Old 21-10-2018, 10:13 PM   #66
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Can we stop complaining local retailers? Later they lobby the government to implement some sort of tax when you buy overseas then GG Liao...already now there is discussion to have 7% gst on overseas order without needing it to be over $400.
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Old 21-10-2018, 10:13 PM   #67
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Most users will not benefit from using Optane. It is fast, but really expensive, runs hot and is very power hungry at higher capacities. High capacities includes the 280GB one.
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Old 21-10-2018, 10:32 PM   #68
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optane only shines in a server workload. a standard user will never be able to tell the difference between any ssds released in the past 3 years.

My old samsung 840 pro boots windows and launches game at the same speeds as my 128gb NVMe drive and 1tb sata drive.
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Old 22-10-2018, 01:46 PM   #69
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Most users will not benefit from using Optane. It is fast, but really expensive, runs hot and is very power hungry at higher capacities. High capacities includes the 280GB one.
Yes, optane is quite useless for vast majority of the users. Optane looks good on low queue depth benchmarks. But real world performance is another thing.

Those massive performance actually just reduce loading times but 2-3 sec when loading app/games.... read review. They timed the loading of windows and games... very little improvement.

For the price we have to pay for that few second..... doubt its worth it.0
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Old 22-10-2018, 09:11 PM   #70
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optane only shines in a server workload. a standard user will never be able to tell the difference between any ssds released in the past 3 years.

My old samsung 840 pro boots windows and launches game at the same speeds as my 128gb NVMe drive and 1tb sata drive.
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Old 22-10-2018, 09:19 PM   #71
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for normal usage of course not much, moderate to heavy workloads can have big difference.
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Old 22-10-2018, 09:27 PM   #72
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for normal usage of course not much, moderate to heavy workloads can have big difference.
And that is the problem. Most users won't have moderate workloads. Plus there are 2 other issues that will limit performance, (1) throttling if not adequately cooled, and (2) speed will decline after SLC cache is exhausted, depending on SLC cache size.
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Old 22-10-2018, 10:21 PM   #73
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HP ex920 speed so good????
Think some online store selling 1TB for SGD300+
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Old 22-10-2018, 10:35 PM   #74
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Can we stop complaining local retailers? Later they lobby the government to implement some sort of tax when you buy overseas then GG Liao...already now there is discussion to have 7% gst on overseas order without needing it to be over $400.
Canada tax anything over 20 bucks. But they gonna change it cost them more to do so LOL
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Old 23-10-2018, 11:13 AM   #75
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Can we stop complaining local retailers? Later they lobby the government to implement some sort of tax when you buy overseas then GG Liao...already now there is discussion to have 7% gst on overseas order without needing it to be over $400.
Only goes to show how bloody stubborn and stupid our local retailers are if they rlly do complain Boycott even more lo. As it is even Sim Lim Sq is a ghost-town since more and more sgreans starting to realise they can get their gear cheaper online now.

Sorry, but I dont run a f**king charity. You want to justify your high prices with that ridiculous reasoning, go ahead. I'll happily buy elsewhere and watch you local retailers suffer even more losses lel

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