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Old 15-09-2014, 01:46 AM   #16
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if play with normal redbook player, any benefits?

where to get this cd and how much?
SGD$24.90 from here:

Olivia Ong - Sense Music Store
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Old 15-09-2014, 06:25 AM   #17
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Just need better gears to play those higher res files

Save up gao gao and whack one time good one.
Even 128k AAC is giving these audiophiles(with their expensive audio gears) a hard time. Interesting enough, the guy who got the most correct guesses is using Fitear MH334

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Old 15-09-2014, 11:29 PM   #18
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if play with normal redbook player, any benefits?

where to get this cd and how much?
Popular CD-RAMA sells it for $2X.
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Old 15-09-2014, 11:31 PM   #19
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Just brought Celine Dion Ultimate love collection re mastered.
OMG the dynamic range have been re mastered that the vocal
is loud and clear.
Not only my headphone may burst but my Onkyo 5.1 speaker
will also burst.
Don't know what to try another album which is Kenny G.
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Old 15-09-2014, 11:49 PM   #20
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Just brought Celine Dion Ultimate love collection re mastered.
OMG the dynamic range have been re mastered that the vocal
is loud and clear.
Not only my headphone may burst but my Onkyo 5.1 speaker
will also burst.
Don't know what to try another album which is Kenny G.
I think when they mean by remastered it means remastered for "Beats headphones".
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Old 16-09-2014, 01:04 AM   #21
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Speaking of mastering, there's an album which imho is very well mastered(reminds me alot of K2 mastered disc)


Olivia 2013 Audiophile Selection


this album got mix reviews

it seems like old veteran audiophile didn't like this remastered disc
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Old 16-09-2014, 01:19 AM   #22
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this album got mix reviews

it seems like old veteran audiophile didn't like this remastered disc
I loaded the original fly me to the moon and the remastered song on to a sound editor on my PC. Didn't look like they did any kind of normalization/dynamic compression.

As for subjective listening, I find the remaster sounds less edgy(more analog-ish), with a small hint of air. The difference is very subtle, you won't notice unless you listen critically.

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Old 16-09-2014, 02:24 AM   #23
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the so called remastered effect issit applicable to normal 16bit redbook playback or is on the hi-res layer?
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Old 16-09-2014, 02:41 AM   #24
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the so called remastered effect issit applicable to normal 16bit redbook playback or is on the hi-res layer?
1)All redbook standard compact disc has only 1 media(data) Layer.

SACD disc can have two different media(data) layers on the same surface.



Some SACD music albums are only "DSD only" which is only playable on SACD Players while some album offer a second media layer for normal CD Players to play back PCM Data.

SACD can be also dual sided(top and bottom) which allows you to flip them like old laser disc/cassette tape Side A and B.


2) Let me explain what CD audio remastering is, by using color/photography/photoshop file as analogy:

Remastering sound is like photography where you take the old raw kodak 35mm photo film, rescan the photo using the latest scanner "64bit color" technology then using photoshop in High Dynamic Range mode to edit photo(apply filters and effects) then in the end, using clever color dithering tricks to make the resulting 16bit color bitmap file look nicer rather than just saving the file via bit reduction.

Best example is black and white fax machine where you have only two colors to play with but how do you make images appear better? Use dithering tricks:


e.g. gif is limited to just 256colors, but with dithering, it looks pretty close to original source


In audio remastering, usually it means they(might) use better studio audio equipment to either recapture or retune/rework(remove noise or reduce bad microphones buzzing effect or increase volume) but the end result is still 16bit Linear PCM 44.1KHz format on your regular Philips Redbook Compact Disc. Remastered/Rereleased Mainstream albums usually sound worse than the original version since the so-called #%@% "audio engineers" usually just normalize/compress the loudness so it sound more "better"/"nicer" on regular joe's monster low-fi beats/earpods

as explained here:


There's also JVC XRCD which is a non-mainstream audio process(one disc cost about S$40-60), physical disc are of better quality(much heavier and better plastic):

JVC uses advanced dither algorithms (though without noise shaping) in their proprietary K2 technology to transfer the analog or digital source to physical disc. The company claims to have studied how inferior CD-remastering techniques degrade the master tape sound and strives to minimize this loss.
If analog, the source material is first converted to digital via JVC's patented K2 20-bit or 24-bit analog-to-digital converter.
The musical information is next encoded on a magneto-optical disk for transport to JVC's Yokohama manufacturing plant, where jitter reduction is applied. The musical signal on the disk is down-converted to 16-bit through a K2 "super-coding" process. This 16-bit signal is EFM-encoded before going through a proprietary "Extended Pit Cut" DVD K2 laser technology to produce a glass master. This optimizes the linear velocity of the glass master, giving precise pit lengths to eliminate time jitters, controlled by an extremely precise Rubidium clock. All CDs are finally stamped directly from this glass master.
XRCD2 and XRCD24 are improved versions of the original XRCD process. XRCD2 is the first to record to a magneto-optical disk via the digital K2 regenerator, while XRCD24 upgrades the original music signal's bit depth signal from 20 to 24 bits.
Extended Resolution Compact Disc - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Whether you can hear a difference between (properly)remastered disc and original disc? The answer is: depends on the color of your ears(golden or not) and how "good" your equipment is.
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Old 16-09-2014, 03:34 AM   #25
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audio dithering explained:


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Thanks for the info. So this olivia cd is not a sacd?
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Old 16-09-2014, 09:59 PM   #27
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I loaded the original fly me to the moon and the remastered song on to a sound editor on my PC. Didn't look like they did any kind of normalization/dynamic compression.

As for subjective listening, I find the remaster sounds less edgy(more analog-ish), with a small hint of air. The difference is very subtle, you won't notice unless you listen critically.
Olivia audiophile album also test the vocal strength of your headphone
or speaker.
Playing on my Sony MDR-1MK II vocal is clear and natural just like
the recording.
I don't own the original version so I can't compare is there any difference
but all I know it is re mastered closed to the original recording.
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Old 16-09-2014, 10:00 PM   #28
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Thanks for the info. So this olivia cd is not a sacd?
Unfortunately no.
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Old 20-09-2014, 07:02 PM   #29
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Blu ray audio CDs are slowly rolling out and I just brought
Maroon 5 V Blu ray.
Playing this on my Onkyo HTS system is much listening to
a live concert.
If I want to put on my Walkman I might as well buy the digital
from HDtracks instead of ripping as ripping isn't that simple
for blu ray.
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Old 24-09-2014, 08:03 AM   #30
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Check this out:

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