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Old 23-12-2005, 01:43 AM   #76
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my point is DHT does appear on the hair follicles through blood flow so any compound that affect DHT on scalp might provide some help whether big or small.

do a search. Ketoconazole has been proven to decrease the quantities of DHT in the scalp by helping to inhibit its synthesis from sterols. it is known that when ketoconazole is ingested orally that it inhibits the binding of androgens to receptors in the body and this would include the binding of DHT to hair-follicle receptors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...13&query_hl=31

many other drugs like spironolactone for anti-hypertensive, azelaic acid for acne, certain zinc etc etc which original purpose is not intend for hairloss also know to have Anti-Androgen properties and is now been use for hairloss too.

even minoxidil which have been proven to increase hair grow have been discover by accident. it suppose to treat high blood pressure and how it help hair grow is not fully understand yet.
Thanls for providing the link, I really appreciate that. I am convinced by the link between high blood pressure and increased hair loss. The link of the abstract you provided did not say much about how Ketoconazole can inhibit DHT synthesis (I wouldn't use the word proven). Personally, I will not place high hope on this one. If Ketoconazole can really locally reduce DHT level significantly in scalp it will be the medical news of the year put it this way. It will be a bigger thing than finasteride for male hair loss, cos finasteride is such a big money spinner for the pharmaceutical industry in the same class as Viagra. A lot of finasteride side effects are due to the result that it is not acting locally, a locally inhibitor will solve all the problems and make the result much more effective.
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Old 23-12-2005, 11:28 AM   #77
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I really doubt there is any shampoo in the market currently that is capable of treating hair loss directly........
Agreed...so far at least.
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Old 27-12-2005, 01:50 PM   #78
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bought my 1st bottle of growell yesterday.
gonna try for 4 mths see results how.
if good then it's a lifetime $40 monthly maintenance fee,
if not well guess i hav to come to terms with being botak.
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Old 27-12-2005, 05:32 PM   #79
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bought my 1st bottle of growell yesterday.
gonna try for 4 mths see results how.
if good then it's a lifetime $40 monthly maintenance fee,
if not well guess i hav to come to terms with being botak.
$40 is for 2% or 3% version? i saw the 5% version costly around $60.

i got presciption from my doctor and got minoxi5(80ml) for $37.80 which will last around 40days and proscar for $112.50. have been using propecia for more than 1years which cost $90 for 4weeks. now using proscar which will only cost around $28 for 4weeks.

hope to further reduce the price. if anyone got any good lobang, please let me know. hehe...
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Old 27-12-2005, 10:49 PM   #80
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How different is proscar different from propecia??? I know proscar is of higher dosage and how come it cost so much cheaper than propecia??
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Old 27-12-2005, 11:27 PM   #81
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how much does a checkup at national skin centre cost?
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Old 28-12-2005, 12:05 AM   #82
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how much does a checkup at national skin centre cost?
not entirely sure but u can call them up n ask........if u are in NS currently then i think u can get a referring letter from MO n do it for free.
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Old 28-12-2005, 12:09 AM   #83
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$40 is for 2% or 3% version? i saw the 5% version costly around $60.

i got presciption from my doctor and got minoxi5(80ml) for $37.80 which will last around 40days and proscar for $112.50. have been using propecia for more than 1years which cost $90 for 4weeks. now using proscar which will only cost around $28 for 4weeks.

hope to further reduce the price. if anyone got any good lobang, please let me know. hehe...
for minox5% i got mine over the net......kirkland brand 4mth supply + shipment fees cost ard $80 sing dollars in total........took ard 2wks for the package to arrive. There are also sites which sells proscar but i m not too into proscar so i haven been checking them out.
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Old 28-12-2005, 12:25 AM   #84
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$40 is for 2% or 3% version? i saw the 5% version costly around $60.

i got presciption from my doctor and got minoxi5(80ml) for $37.80 which will last around 40days and proscar for $112.50. have been using propecia for more than 1years which cost $90 for 4weeks. now using proscar which will only cost around $28 for 4weeks.

hope to further reduce the price. if anyone got any good lobang, please let me know. hehe...
$60 for growell 5% so i guess $40 should be the price for 3% version.
should have gotta a doc's prescription... $37.8 for 80ml is much cheaper!
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Old 28-12-2005, 12:41 AM   #85
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How different is proscar different from propecia??? I know proscar is of higher dosage and how come it cost so much cheaper than propecia??
they are basically the same drugs. just that proscar contain 5mg per tab and for treating benign prostate hyperplasia. propecia is for hairloss and come in a lower dosage of 1mg. to get the same dosage while saving money, normally people will buy proscar and divide it into 4 or 5part so you get roughly the same dosage as propecia.

the reason propecia is more expensive is it suppose to be a "new" drug. this will help the drug company to earn more money. other than that, it basically the same stuff.
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Old 28-12-2005, 12:48 AM   #86
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anybody tried or are currently using both minox n propecia at the same time? Are results better or faster? Actually chances for side effects for propecia occuring is quite low....so i might turn to propecia if minox do not work for me....also anybody heard of this drug call Retin-A or Retinol?
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Old 28-12-2005, 12:54 AM   #87
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$60 for growell 5% so i guess $40 should be the price for 3% version.
should have gotta a doc's prescription... $37.8 for 80ml is much cheaper!
yeah. that the cheapest i found in spore. of course, you can get it like rECKleSSfElla from oversea which is even cheaper which i might be trying. one thing you can't beat in getting it in spore is you know for sure you are getting the real stuff. find some really good and trustable website if you intend to order from oversea.

i pay $5 for my prescription of minoxidil and proscar. if you want to get from CGH, ask your doctor to prescript you 2-4bottle at once so you save further on the prescription.
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anybody tried or are currently using both minox n propecia at the same time? Are results better or faster? Actually chances for side effects for propecia occuring is quite low....so i might turn to propecia if minox do not work for me....also anybody heard of this drug call Retin-A or Retinol?
i am using both fin and minoxidil. i use propecia for about 1year plus and at most it only slow down my hairloss. therefore about 2months ago i started on monixidil. too soon to tell the result. but i got a feeling its helping although not much.

i actually tried Rogaine 5% around 2years plus ago. after a week or so, i develop blisters on my scalp and the itch is so bad that there is no way i can carry on. so i throw again 2bottles of rogaine. 2months ago, i decided to give it a try again. so i got the brand minoxi5. after a few application, i develop rashes on my arms and neck. the itch can keep me up all night. instead of giving up, i reduce the dosage and slowly work my way up. now my body are able to take it a lot better. not much side effect.

one way you can try to improve intake of minoxidil on scalp is to apply it on wet scalp. when your scalp is wet, it improve intake by 2-5times. but of course, if you are experience any side effect, don't even think of trying it.

here a link for you to read on Retin-A
http://www.minoxidil.com/min_with_retin.htm

anyway, the side effect of propecia is much higher then the reported 2% in the study. thankfully, most go away after sometime. other problem like increase in pimple, dry skin etc is quite common.
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Old 28-12-2005, 01:24 PM   #89
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u 16 already like that ah?

so sad lah......

u never eat enough biotin lah....

and not exercising enough also one of the reasons leh...
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Old 29-12-2005, 02:36 PM   #90
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i'm 17 and I got hair loss problem too. Erm diet wise I'm not too sure but I was on a protein supplement for my kayaking cca. stop the supplement liao.
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