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human_pet 01-12-2005 08:16 PM

Thinning Hair problem
 
Anyone know how to cure thinning hair?You know,giving it more volume,making it thicker?I've had this problem since my hair started growing i guessAlthough i heard that a bad diet can really affect hair growth and my diet is really really bad...malnutrition :s22: .So,other than eating properly,any advice on what to take?

addict951 01-12-2005 09:32 PM

Ya, you saw the news yesterday? This Taiwanese woman jian fei until went bald sial. Low consumption of protein can lead to hair loss.

tayts1 02-12-2005 08:40 AM

how old are you? any other of your family member going bald?

human_pet 02-12-2005 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tayts1
how old are you? any other of your family member going bald?

16 :o aside from my grandfather?no,none that i know of.And none of my cousins have this problem,nor my siblings. :s27:

SuperOrange 02-12-2005 12:30 PM

did u dye ur hair or not?
do u have poor diet?

marc_julius 02-12-2005 01:22 PM

A lot depends on what yr genetics are. Had heard people lamenting why they couldnt achieve that six-pack abs. Either they had train the wrong way, eat the wrong food or shall i say it is really all plain genetics. It cant be help. Sadly but true.

Besides a sensible diet, u need the right medication. Try minoxidil. (Forget about those fantastic ads showing in the media..) The best method (if u have the $ to burn) is hair transplant.

Ironx 02-12-2005 01:42 PM

abs are not genetic. shape and look, but getting them to show is like you said, diet and training. people love to use genetics as an excuse to compansate for their ill discipline and lack of hard work. ANYONE can see abs.

marc_julius 02-12-2005 01:56 PM

that is what i mean. genetic as in the sense the way they develop. Some people can have a 8-pack while some no matter how hard they train, the shape and definition of the abs just wouldnt show. Adequate training and effort is something we can control but not genetics.

Silvermane 02-12-2005 01:58 PM

I heard oily scalp tend to result in hair loss too, so if you have oily scalp you need to wash your hair often :D and get the right shampoo too.

AaronZzZ 02-12-2005 02:08 PM

Ask your hairstylist recommend you shampoo. If everything fails go Beijing 101. :s22:

Abs shapes are genetic.. Some staggered and some symmetrical.. But size of abs is not genetic, it's hardwork. :s7:

lycanboy 02-12-2005 02:15 PM

From what my hairstylist told me, when you use clay and wax(esp the well know brand starting with G) and nv wash shampoo your hair well enough, the residue or dirt will slowly accumulate and block your scalp. Hence producing hair that is thin...

Just wash clean...If needed wash TWICE...if not dont use wax/gel...

AaronZzZ 02-12-2005 02:18 PM

Another thing, when you use wax/clay, apply to the tip of your hair not the root of your hair. :s7:

human_pet 02-12-2005 08:45 PM

Thanks for the advice guys :D .Most probably it's because of my poor diet,i'm undernourished so it could be that my proein intake is too low :s16: .No,i've never dyed my hair and i just started to use gel for the hair,never used clays before nor do i think it's because of dirt acumulation,because i wash my hair almost two times a day with shampoo everytime. :s22:

Garrison 02-12-2005 09:01 PM

I also have the same problem. My hair is very thin, as in literally very thin. Each strand is very fine. What can i do to make it thicker? And don't even use gel or wax or dye my hair

lycanboy 02-12-2005 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Garrison
I also have the same problem. My hair is very thin, as in literally very thin. Each strand is very fine. What can i do to make it thicker? And don't even use gel or wax or dye my hair

does your family members have this problem? if not i think the only place you can go is yun nan or beijing 101... =/

SuperOrange 02-12-2005 09:15 PM

PLEASE!!! dun give any advice if u really dunno.

Threadstarter, go and c doctor is the best solution to u. dun go to any hair care centre

SuperOrange 02-12-2005 09:31 PM

Threadstarter, i suggest go to national skin center to see a specialist first
u need to bk an appointment first

bwaysaiahnikwan 02-12-2005 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperOrange
Threadstarter, i suggest go to national skin center to see a specialist first
u need to bk an appointment first

Why skin centre? :s11:

Lesbian_Behkan 03-12-2005 02:10 AM

I think most thinning hair problems are due to lifestyle n diet,premature balding is due to genetics~

junxjunx 03-12-2005 02:13 PM

If your hair loss is not due to high stress levels or undesirable lifestyle habits and diets, it will boil down to your genetics

The docs in the hospitals will tell you that there are only 3 things that are scientifically proven to help combat hair loss if the cause is genetic.

1) Minoxidil (topical hair spray)
2) Propecia (oral tablets)
3) Hair Transplant

Minoxidil costs about $35 per month
Propecia cost $3 per day (about $90 a month)
I dunno about the surgery cos its really out of my league.

However, minoxidil and propecia may or may not work for everyone.
Its not a 100% effective solution.
Plus, you will have to take them for life to keep your hair.
Stop the medication and the previous results you have got will just fall off.


I dun really trust those commercial hair treatment saloons. Just way too ex and no concrete promises. (had a not so nice experience at a reputable one, my bro-in-law also tried it b4 but no results)


Maybe you can try to work on your lifestyle habits and diets first.
Dun worry too much abt the hair loss. More stress = more loss
And dun scratch your scalp too much.


If you really wanna visit the doc, get a reference letter from a polyclinic. (think abt $20 for consultation)
The specialist docs will cost abt $60+ per consultation. (excludes the medication)


Hope u will find this useful.

SuperOrange 03-12-2005 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bwaysaiahnikwan
Why skin centre? :s11:

if u go GP, they also can't do much. they are not specialised.
go nsc for blood testing, hair bulb analysis. the dermatologist are specialist.

ultimatesg 03-12-2005 07:57 PM

My Tips.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by human_pet
Anyone know how to cure thinning hair?You know,giving it more volume,making it thicker?I've had this problem since my hair started growing i guessAlthough i heard that a bad diet can really affect hair growth and my diet is really really bad...malnutrition :s22: .So,other than eating properly,any advice on what to take?


1) Take finasteride (propecia/proscar). Get a doc who is willing to precribe proscar for you. They are not that difficult to find. Propecia=$90 a month. Proscar= $30 a month. Propecia increases DHT (a derivative of testosterone). DHT is needed to maintain erection, this is why finasteride reduce hardness.

2) Do engaged in regular aerobic exercise session lasing 20-30 minutes to improve blood circulation. They work better than any scalp massage.

3) Wash your hair at least once a day with a anti dandruff shampoo like Nizoral or Head and Shoulder.

4) Eat more fruits and vegs and reduce sat fat and trand fat intake, they clog up your blood vessels and reduce blood circulation. :s12:

Lesbian_Behkan 03-12-2005 08:02 PM

It is strange though~some of my pals whom I swear mus have the worst diet in the world,alcohol,fatty food,few hours of sleep still maintain a headful of hair like apes.

SuperOrange 03-12-2005 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lesbian_Behkan
It is strange though~some of my pals whom I swear mus have the worst diet in the world,alcohol,fatty food,few hours of sleep still maintain a headful of hair like apes.


it boils down to genetic

tayts1 03-12-2005 10:32 PM

pray hard that you are not suffering from MPB.. if so, there is nothing much you can do at your age unless you are happy with the present size of your little brother..

go for a check up at NSC is a good idea. there might be other under lying cause.

Lesbian_Behkan 03-12-2005 11:38 PM

Balding thinning comes sooner or later,jus only how fast or slow the effects,man jus gotta live with this.

fierydoink 05-12-2005 08:46 PM

guys, Ive got the same problem also during my NS. I went to seek treatment from the ******* *01 but theres no improvement and its outrageously EX. Guess i should try NSC then.
:o

rECKleSSfElla 06-12-2005 02:21 AM

Threadstarter if u can afford it then seek treatment at national skin center.....or u can wait till u enlist NS n get referred there for treatment for free......wat the skin center can do for u is to give u a correct diagnosis of wat causes your hair loss prob n from there they will recommend u solutions.

Alternatively like wat was mentioned in an earlier post there are 2 proven medication/treatment for hair loss which is minox 5% n Propecia. For Propecia u need a prescriptiion n side effect is decreased libido........

For minox 5% spray u can get it over the counter at pharmacies like Guardian. Currently u can find 2 brands, Regaine n Growell. Regaine is imported so it cost ard $120+ for 1 bottle(last 25-30 days) while Growell is locally produced so it only cost $58.80. U can also get generic versions of minox 5% spray from american websites.......cheapest i found cost US$30 for 4 mths supply. Include shipping fees total wld cost ard S$80.Been using minox spray for the last 6wks or so......notice that some new strands of hair has started growing on my bald patch.

Lastly never ever go to those places like Yun Nam or Beijing 101........they are the biggest "legal" scammers to exist in singapore......10 out 10 ppl whom i know that went to those places to seek treatment b4 told me it never works...........

batdow 06-12-2005 02:22 PM

how about this product biolyn?
I'm facing this balding problem too... centre of the head...
should i buy Growell try 1st or Biolyn?
i dun wanna take propecia... not willing to sacrifice hardness yet.

rECKleSSfElla 06-12-2005 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by batdow
how about this product biolyn?
I'm facing this balding problem too... centre of the head...
should i buy Growell try 1st or Biolyn?
i dun wanna take propecia... not willing to sacrifice hardness yet.


I m not too familiar wif biolyn....from wat i read abt it is that it increase hair folicies(not too sure of the spelling). I think biolyn is more of a product to improve the state of the hair n prevent balding but not to cure already existing balding problems. My recommendation to u is to try minox 5% spray(growell or regaine) for 6-8mths 1st....if u see your balding situation improves then continue the usage. If not then stop usage. Normally u have to use for at least 4mths b4 u can see results. Bearing in mind u have to continueously use the spray for the results to stay u can actually downgrade to the 2% version(cheaper) of the spray as a form of maintainence in the latter stages.

Isopropyl 06-12-2005 08:26 PM

Wow!!! quite a number of hairloss expert here. maybe can start a hairloss club for man. hehe.

rECKleSSfElla gave a lot of good advice. just to add on a few.

1) Propecia (finasteride 1mg)

get proscar to save cost. you can cut it into 5parts. proscar is the same drug as propecia but come in 5mg version. so divide it into 5parts give you the same dosage as propecia yet you can save a lot of money.

early dosage test show that 0.2mg work almost as well as 1mg. 1mg reduce only 7.3% more DHT on scalp. so if you want to try it out, 0.5mg might be a good start. it take about 1year to know whether your treatment is working. do it at your own risk.

2) Minoxidil.

the cheapest 5percent version i found in singapore is minoxi5. it cost $57.75 for 80ml.

2% version work about 77percent as well 5% version in long term. it take longer to show it effect so be patient.

3) Shampoo

get a good anti-inflammation shampoo. inflammation of the scalp could increase your hairloss. you can try shampoo like nizoral 1percent or 2percent. use it 3times per week. it cost about $21 for 100ml and using it at this rate can last you very long. some study have found that nizoral 1percent and 2percent reduce hairloss like minoxidil 2%.
other shampoo that proven to help reduce inflammation contain coal tar, salicylic acid, head and shoulder etc.



no single treatment work well by itself unless you are the lucky one. start with proven treatment and if it does not help, add other treatment that is not proven. not proven does not mean it does not work. just that it is not tested and appove by FDA. so do some research and you might be lucky. your best bet is to start with a combo of propecia, minoxidil and nizoral.

just take things easy and don't be too bother by hair loss.

what i read about biolyn is that most likely it is another snake oil. certain users review have been bad and they refuse to disclose the active components of the product. no test have been done on the product to prove that it work. therefore, give this product a miss.

rECKleSSfElla 06-12-2005 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isopropyl
Wow!!! quite a number of hairloss expert here. maybe can start a hairloss club for man. hehe.

rECKleSSfElla gave a lot of good advice. just to add on a few.

1) Propecia (finasteride 1mg)

get proscar to save cost. you can cut it into 5parts. proscar is the same drug as propecia but come in 5mg version. so divide it into 5parts give you the same dosage as propecia yet you can save a lot of money.

early dosage test show that 0.2mg work almost as well as 1mg. 1mg reduce only 7.3% more DHT on scalp. so if you want to try it out, 0.5mg might be a good start. it take about 1year to know whether your treatment is working. do it at your own risk.

2) Minoxidil.

the cheapest 5percent version i found in singapore is minoxi5. it cost $57.75 for 80ml.

2% version work about 77percent as well 5% version in long term. it take longer to show it effect so be patient.

3) Shampoo

get a good anti-inflammation shampoo. inflammation of the scalp could increase your hairloss. you can try shampoo like nizoral 1percent or 2percent. use it 3times per week. it cost about $21 for 100ml and using it at this rate can last you very long. some study have found that nizoral 1percent and 2percent reduce hairloss like minoxidil 2%.
other shampoo that proven to help reduce inflammation contain coal tar, salicylic acid, head and shoulder etc.



no single treatment work well by itself unless you are the lucky one. start with proven treatment and if it does not help, add other treatment that is not proven. not proven does not mean it does not work. just that it is not tested and appove by FDA. so do some research and you might be lucky. your best bet is to start with a combo of propecia, minoxidil and nizoral.

just take things easy and don't be too bother by hair loss.

what i read about biolyn is that most likely it is another snake oil. certain users review have been bad and they refuse to disclose the active components of the product. no test have been done on the product to prove that it work. therefore, give this product a miss.


just to add on abit, nizoral 1% shampoo is available in Guardian Pharmacy while i think u need a prescription for the 2% version. Btw Isopropyl where can u get the minox 5% for $57.75. I m on my 2nd bottle of Growell n i intend to get generic versions of minox 5% over the net subsequently.

Isopropyl 06-12-2005 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rECKleSSfElla
just to add on abit, nizoral 1% shampoo is available in Guardian Pharmacy while i think u need a prescription for the 2% version. Btw Isopropyl where can u get the minox 5% for $57.75. I m on my 2nd bottle of Growell n i intend to get generic versions of minox 5% over the net subsequently.

some Guardian carry minoxi5. i got mine from causeway point. do a little search. it should be easy to find. it come in a black box, normally place beside all the minoxidil products. i am also thinking of getting it online. it dirt cheap but getting it in singapore ensure that you are getting the real thing.

to get nizoral 2percent, you just need to ask the pharmacy for it. they will just take down your name and contact and that about it. it cost about $3 more than the 1% version so it kind of worth it. i find that it work better to reduce the itch that i got from using minoxidil. NTUC pharmacy selling about $1 cheaper than Guardian.

Asymtope 07-12-2005 11:28 PM

I ordered mino online which costs me 4 mths for $80 . It's kirkland brand. I have used this product for 4mths. I stopped now coz the itch really killing me. It cause me lose more hair than gaining back. I on propecia now.

I intend to go for hair transplant. Any1 know wat's the rate? will I still suffer frm MPB after hair transplant?

ultimatesg 07-12-2005 11:59 PM

We all know finasteride works to some extent. I also recommend washing hair at least once daily. Oily scalp=increased hair loss. Chinese Medicine theory states oily scalp as overly Yang. Scalp become Oily due to excessive action of DHT on the hair follicles. The genetic component of MBP is likely to be the difference in sensitivity of hair follicles to DHT. Dietary influence could be linked to lousy blood flow. In Chinese medicine theory, blood nourished the follicles. When you consumed too much sodium in the form of MSG or sodium chloride, somehow your scalp become inflammed, itchy and more hair fall off. Western medicine on hair loss focus on DHT most of the time. In order to boost blood to nourished the follicles, one can do aerobics exercise once every day, take meal that are low in sodium and probably phosphorous, saturated fat, reduce cereal intake esp. the refined ones, increase fruits and veg intake. All these will improve blood circulation. If one is adventurous enough, one can even try head stand and do yoga to relax the body which will further improved blood circulation. For Proscar try buying from Malaysia states further away from Singapore, last time I got them at SGD$70 per 30 tabs. :s12:

Isopropyl 08-12-2005 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ultimatesg
Proscar try buying from Malaysia states further away from Singapore, last time I got them at SGD$70 per 30 tabs. :s12:

any idea how much is proscar in spore and jb?

ultimatesg 08-12-2005 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Isopropyl
any idea how much is proscar in spore and jb?

In Sing is about $125 per 30 tabs. Some places sell at $130. That is without the fee for Doc's consultation. You do need doc's prescription to buy in Sing. In Malaysia other than in JB (cos they are Singapore owned pharmacy, I believe they are willing to sell without precription. :s12:

Asymtope 08-12-2005 12:49 PM

wat shampoo are u all using?

I use Head & shoulder sensitive scalp shampoo and Nizoral 3 times weekly.

After washing with Head & shoulder or Nizoral, my scalp will have few little bumps which is quite painful

Asymtope 08-12-2005 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ultimatesg
In Sing is about $125 per 30 tabs. Some places sell at $130. That is without Doc's consultation. You do need docs prescription to buy in Sing. In Malaysia other than in JB (cos they are Singapore owned pharmacy, I believe they are willing to sell without precription. :s12:

ultimatesg, do u find improvement in ur hair growth?

I read from websites, they mentioned that cutting proscar is not recommended

ultimatesg 09-12-2005 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Asymtope
ultimatesg, do u find improvement in ur hair growth?

I read from websites, they mentioned that cutting proscar is not recommended

I believe finasteride will slow down thinning but will not encourage new growth. It works by preventing the follicles becoming smaller till they disappear forever. I believe it works to a certain extent as it definitely help the scalp to become less oily, something to do with DHT. so far this is the best bet. However I have gone off it for about half a year, trying out my theories on blood circulation and has not gone back on it yet. I personally find it hard to believe that the active ingredients in proscar can be that unevenly distributed that spliting it will result in dosage that are significantly different to give results. :s12:

marc_julius 09-12-2005 08:24 PM

Quote:

I use Head & shoulder sensitive scalp shampoo and Nizoral 3 times weekly.

After washing with Head & shoulder or Nizoral, my scalp will have few little bumps which is quite painful .
huh..using shampoo will cause such pain..dat serious?? actually tot of changing my shampoo for a change for my scalp.. anyone experienced that too?

ultimatesg 11-12-2005 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by marc_julius
huh..using shampoo will cause such pain..dat serious?? actually tot of changing my shampoo for a change for my scalp.. anyone experienced that too?

Never leh. Last time I use Nizoral which I find is very gentle. Even Head and Shoulders which some people find harsh is ok to my scalp. I will personally advice one to reduce on acid-forming food and increase fruits and vege intake. Those inflammation on the scalp is due to diet to a big extent. Dun believe take lots of MSG and sodium chloride, the scalp will become inflammed. :s12:

Botak_gan 11-12-2005 09:25 PM

I am currrently in my mid 20s and suffering from hairloss 3 yrs ago. Recently, the problem got worse that my hair is thnning so much that i can start to see my scalp clearly on top og my head whenever i am under some bright light... I have family history of hairloss.....i believe is due to heredity... But is there any effective methods to slow down the hairloss till my late 30s...hehe???? Help pls.....

Asymtope 11-12-2005 10:24 PM

shall we list down the treatments we had b4? This serves as a reference for those who are suffering from hair loss problem

1) Minoxidil (tried for 4 mths)
cause irritation on my scalp. has no improvement in hair growth. In fact, it caused me to lose my hair

2) Propecia (tried for 5 mths)
Until now, did not see any obvious improvement

3) Nizoral /Head & Shoulders Sensitive

Both shampoo cause me to have bumps on my scalp.

rECKleSSfElla 11-12-2005 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botak_gan
I am currrently in my mid 20s and suffering from hairloss 3 yrs ago. Recently, the problem got worse that my hair is thnning so much that i can start to see my scalp clearly on top og my head whenever i am under some bright light... I have family history of hairloss.....i believe is due to heredity... But is there any effective methods to slow down the hairloss till my late 30s...hehe???? Help pls.....


as wat Asymtope said the only 2 clinically proven methods to control, n in some case to regrow hair, are usage of propecia orally n the application of topical minoxidil 5%. But take note none of these 2 methods actually 100% works on all ppl.....so u hav to decide which is the better one for u..........propecia actually might cause decrease libido in some cases so if u have an active sex life this might not be the one for u. As for minox 5% those wif heart disease n high blood pressure might not be suitable for usage. As for effectiveness, some ppl swear by propecia while some ppl will swear by minox.......been using minox for 6wks n i have seen some tiny strands of hair growing on my bald patch.......but i might be seeing things!!! :D

rECKleSSfElla 11-12-2005 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asymtope
shall we list down the treatments we had b4? This serves as a reference for those who are suffering from hair loss problem

1) Minoxidil (tried for 4 mths)
cause irritation on my scalp. has no improvement in hair growth. In fact, it caused me to lose my hair

2) Propecia (tried for 5 mths)
Until now, did not see any obvious improvement

3) Nizoral /Head & Shoulders Sensitive

Both shampoo cause me to have bumps on my scalp.


my friend's mother actually recommended me to apply XO on the bald patch.....hahaha...never tried but apprantly this was so kind of grandmother remedy passed down thru the generations. Other methods i did tried included shampoos to lotions too even supplements n pills......but none worked for me..........

Isopropyl 11-12-2005 10:54 PM

most people only maintain what they have using these treatment. hopefully in time to come, some better treatment will be available. but don't bet on it.

Cold_Zero 11-12-2005 11:01 PM

since this topic is here, have anyone heard of Procerin? i can't seem to find it in local pharmacy. any ideal?

Isopropyl 11-12-2005 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cold_Zero
since this topic is here, have anyone heard of Procerin? i can't seem to find it in local pharmacy. any ideal?

most likely it another snake oil from what i read. avoid it.

Botak_gan 11-12-2005 11:19 PM

Have anyone tried using Pregraine shampoo? Is it good? How about biolyn shampoo, which become so popular lately..???


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