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Old 27-06-2016, 11:05 PM   #9151
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Is it properly enforced though? I've seen mama shops/pasar malam sell those cheap Frost Cutlery style backlocks without much restrictions.

I also remember buying my first knife (which was a crappy Emerson clone) online when I was well under 18. Nothing happened.

I did visit BT once or twice to buy folders awhile ago, but I'm not sure if I was under 18 at that time. Anyway, I did manage to buy it without any problems.
BT? What's that?
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Old 27-06-2016, 11:07 PM   #9152
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BT? What's that?
Black-Tactical. I used to buy Sanrenmus from them, but I've since moved on in the hobby and don't purchase them any more.

But don't quote me on this because I wasn't sure I was 18 at that time. I just handed my IC and it was good to go with no problems.
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Old 27-06-2016, 11:09 PM   #9153
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Black-Tactical. I used to buy Sanrenmus from them, but I've since moved on in the hobby and don't purchase them any more.
You should give Sanrenmu a look again. Some of their folders have moved on to using 12c27 now, with no change in prices.
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Old 27-06-2016, 11:16 PM   #9154
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Technically the chinese 8cr13mov steel is a step below AUS-8, but heck, it performs close enough to the real deal, so I'm not about to complain. What I will complain about is how two certain chinese knife brands can sell their products with 8cr13mov steel for less than 1/5 the cost of an American equivalent using the exact same 8cr13mov steel.

And if you wanted VG-10, why not go straight for Al-Mar or SOG?
It is usually the branding and designer that makes it cost more. The Hissatsu 2 was designed by James Williams and made by CRKT.

Your average Ganzo costs a fraction because the design was probably ripped off somewhere.

As for why I don't go for Al-Mar or SOG, Al-Mar is pretty overpriced and SOG has QC issues.

Plus, I really do like the blade shape of the Hissatsu series of knives and I've only found it in the CRKT James Williams designed series.

Most tantos out there are those American tantos, which are not aesthetically appealing to me. The Osoraku shape looks much better, and oddly enough, it actually stabs better than its American tanto counterparts (not that I would use a knife in that fashion).

I would just hope they can upgrade the steel on that to VG-10. They've explained that they went with the cheaper steels as they were meant for self-defense use and thus the ease of sharpening was a priority.

Anyway, these companies have to step it up. Kizer is already producing folders that have VG-10 in the same price point as those 8Cr/Sandvik/AUS-8 folders in some of those American brands.
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Old 27-06-2016, 11:20 PM   #9155
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You should give Sanrenmu a look again. Some of their folders have moved on to using 12c27 now, with no change in prices.
Strangely enough, I'm do have an interest in their higher-end subsidaries (RealSteel, Carson Tech Labs), but I haven't really been compelled to drop cash and try them out.

Maybe when the time is right though, and by that I mean I'm hoping their Griffin button lock goes on a mad discount on their AliExpress page.
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Old 27-06-2016, 11:23 PM   #9156
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It is usually the branding and designer that makes it cost more. The Hissatsu 2 was designed by James Williams and made by CRKT.

Your average Ganzo costs a fraction because the design was probably ripped off somewhere.

As for why I don't go for Al-Mar or SOG, Al-Mar is pretty overpriced and SOG has QC issues.

Plus, I really do like the blade shape of the Hissatsu series of knives and I've only found it in the CRKT James Williams designed series.

Most tantos out there are those American tantos, which are not aesthetically appealing to me. The Osoraku shape looks much better, and oddly enough, it actually stabs better than its American tanto counterparts (not that I would use a knife in that fashion).

I would just hope they can upgrade the steel on that to VG-10. They've explained that they went with the cheaper steels as they were meant for self-defense use and thus the ease of sharpening was a priority.

Anyway, these companies have to step it up. Kizer is already producing folders that have VG-10 in the same price point as those 8Cr/Sandvik/AUS-8 folders in some of those American brands.
Yuck, tantos. I hate those with a passion, be they American tantos or the actual Japanese tanto-style blade shape. They look ugly imo, and they also have the most weapon-like blade shape that is guaranteed to set tongues wagging for the wrong reasons.
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Old 27-06-2016, 11:27 PM   #9157
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Strangely enough, I'm do have an interest in their higher-end subsidaries (RealSteel, Carson Tech Labs), but I haven't really been compelled to drop cash and try them out.

Maybe when the time is right though, and by that I mean I'm hoping their Griffin button lock goes on a mad discount on their AliExpress page.
Those won't cut it for me unfortunately. I adhere to a very strict rule that no knife of mine can have a blade length longer than three inches, with SAKs being the only exception to that rule.
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Old 27-06-2016, 11:28 PM   #9158
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I don't understand, so SAKs are perfectly legal but folding knifes are strictly illegal?
A general answer is that technically any seller can refuse to deal with you for anything other than necessities in life on grounds that you have no capacity to contract being below 18. But hey, it's hard to argue what necessities are right? what's the difference between a notebook, a laptop, a phone, a pencil case, an electric scoot? And who is going to enforce it? Nobody enforces it strictly unless it involves something very expensive, or something long term, or something sensitive etc.

It's confusing isn't it.

Quite simply, an SAK is viewed as a tool, a multitool - boy scouts use it, cub scouts too. A kitchen knife as well - nobody will bat an eye or a bread knife (remember ITE). If you look like you're 10, then maybe the shopkeeper/seller will ask 'did your mom ask you to buy it?' etc. as it would appear that you were buying on behalf of your mom and you were merely running an errand.

A folding knife (worse, something black and has the words 'tactical' emblazoned on the box/knife or has a skull logo) that is not a simple slipjoint or SAK is unfortunately quite often perceived as a knife and not a 'tool' (although knife = tool) and therefore it attracts a bit more attention and vigilance. The last thing a knifeshop/knife dealer wants is for their knife dealing licence to be revoked. Although not technically required, most knifeshops/dealers record the particulars of all buyers (this is indeed a requirement but for spears, swords, etc etc....controlled or scheduled items, not actually for knives, although it is the common practice and protocol). And they do not want it to appear on the books (nor do they want to lie about it) that they have sold knives to minors. They're being prudent.

Truth be told, if you were 17 and mature and a known national adventurer or explorer, I don't see how an outdoor outfitter will refuse to sell you a Spyderco or other utilitarian folder. Because it is indeed a tool and if they can sell you a stove, backpack or figure of 8,they can sell you another tool.

Back to your request, just wait a little bit more and you can buy your own knife. Or you could always ask your parent(s) or guardian to get one for you.
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Old 27-06-2016, 11:44 PM   #9159
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A general answer is that technically any seller can refuse to deal with you for anything other than necessities in life on grounds that you have no capacity to contract being below 18. But hey, it's hard to argue what necessities are right? what's the difference between a notebook, a laptop, a phone, a pencil case, an electric scoot? And who is going to enforce it? Nobody enforces it strictly unless it involves something very expensive, or something long term, or something sensitive etc.

It's confusing isn't it.

Quite simply, an SAK is viewed as a tool, a multitool - boy scouts use it, cub scouts too. A kitchen knife as well - nobody will bat an eye or a bread knife (remember ITE). If you look like you're 10, then maybe the shopkeeper/seller will ask 'did your mom ask you to buy it?' etc. as it would appear that you were buying on behalf of your mom and you were merely running an errand.

A folding knife (worse, something black and has the words 'tactical' emblazoned on the box/knife or has a skull logo) that is not a simple slipjoint or SAK is unfortunately quite often perceived as a knife and not a 'tool' (although knife = tool) and therefore it attracts a bit more attention and vigilance. The last thing a knifeshop/knife dealer wants is for their knife dealing licence to be revoked. Although not technically required, most knifeshops/dealers record the particulars of all buyers (this is indeed a requirement but for spears, swords, etc etc....controlled or scheduled items, not actually for knives, although it is the common practice and protocol). And they do not want it to appear on the books (nor do they want to lie about it) that they have sold knives to minors. They're being prudent.

Truth be told, if you were 17 and mature and a known national adventurer or explorer, I don't see how an outdoor outfitter will refuse to sell you a Spyderco or other utilitarian folder. Because it is indeed a tool and if they can sell you a stove, backpack or figure of 8,they can sell you another tool.

Back to your request, just wait a little bit more and you can buy your own knife. Or you could always ask your parent(s) or guardian to get one for you.
That brings me back to my main point, if there would be anyone out there that would bend the rules a little. As far as I know, the number of 17 year old known national adventurer or explorers are few and little, so no luck there. The only time I will turn 18, is just slightly lesser than a year, which I wholeheartedly believe, is too long to wait it out.
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Old 27-06-2016, 11:50 PM   #9160
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That brings me back to my main point, if there would be anyone out there that would bend the rules a little. As far as I know, the number of 17 year old known national adventurer or explorers are few and little, so no luck there. The only time I will turn 18, is just slightly lesser than a year, which I wholeheartedly believe, is too long to wait it out.
don't worry, you'll get to handle more exotic tools when you're enlisted

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Old 28-06-2016, 01:03 PM   #9161
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Saw that too. But i think since its the first wc knife, maybe at least the value will at least hold i hope.
On the other hand, i was thinking of using kc as platform to buy and directly from them through their intl shipping(if u all have tried?)
Lastly, do i really need to use the proxy?
The list of 6 dealers that will carry this has already been published (of course I won't put it up here due to our local distributors) so I think you just need to stay awake and get your friends to help you hit the send button quickly. If I'm not mistaken all of them will ship internationally or you can always use a US address.

Good luck. 204p when heat treated to a high RC is delicious
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Old 28-06-2016, 11:12 PM   #9162
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Good luck. 204p when heat treated to a high RC is delicious
I really won't know about that, since I don't eat my knives.
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Old 29-06-2016, 11:49 AM   #9163
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I really won't know about that, since I don't eat my knives.
There's always a first time. (;
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Old 02-07-2016, 01:48 AM   #9164
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Hello LFlare. I got my 1st knife when I was 16 going 17. It was a CRKT Foresight. I bought mint from a seller on carousell. He didn't ask for age since its was sgd135 and he thought kids shouldn't hv that much cash. He only found out my age after the done deal. As long as you look mature enough and has the capacity to know what you're doing, it's fine. He actually thought I was working. Oh Wells, nowadays I get most of my knives online. It's cheaper!
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Old 03-07-2016, 12:59 PM   #9165
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For sale

For sale some knives

Zt 450 custom purple to blue ano. 175
Cold steel rajah 2 cts bd1 150
Cold steel code 4 cts xhp 100
Kizer Glenn Klecker 130
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