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Old 15-05-2019, 10:09 AM   #841
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chim. i have not started reno yet, so i just ask my electrician to set up neutral wire for me can liao?

the video vulpix shared mentioned that its better to use a home hub rather than direct wifi to reduce the strain on the routers?

assuming im going with google home and samsung home hub

i just have to look for samsung compatible smart lights, fans, door locks and curtains and proceed to set up?

the intercom and air con are standardized brands. are there any ways to allow me to control them from my phone?

sorry for the questions if they sound dumb cos im totally new to this.

thanks!
The reduce wifi strain heavily depends on how many devices you are going to run in your network. If you have like 10 switches only, then it's not going to be a big issue. But the advantage of using a specific hub is how the hub often has functionality that can integrate multiple items working together even if they are different brands.

You can control your aircon via Sensibo, I do not have any experience with this Intercom thing, but I can speak to another person on the same Google home network if I have multiple Google home mini in different areas of my home.
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Old 15-05-2019, 01:27 PM   #842
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chim. i have not started reno yet, so i just ask my electrician to set up neutral wire for me can liao?

Yes, ask them to pull a neutral to each switch cluster.. ie if there 2 switch at a position, u just need 1 neutral from the light then daisy chain to the 2 switch. If there is a neon switch or a powersocket, just daisy chain over. no need to pull from the light

the video vulpix shared mentioned that its better to use a home hub rather than direct wifi to reduce the strain on the routers?

assuming im going with google home and samsung home hub

i just have to look for samsung compatible smart lights, fans, door locks and curtains and proceed to set up?

Hmm samsung is cloud base just so you know. every automation goes to the cloud and back..
so you will need all the devices that are compatible. I recommend buying from amazon UK or any resellers selling the EU freq zwave version. this way u can easily find compatible zwave devices.. If you get the local korean version, it will be harder to find compatible smart devices except for korean brands or from local vendors.


the intercom and air con are standardized brands. are there any ways to allow me to control them from my phone?

For the Fermex intercom, if your unit comes with the mobile app to remote open the gate, u can use that but no way to easily intergrate it to your hub. I am looking at the microbot push but since it cant connect to my hub, I'm still looking around.
When you defect liability period is up, you can wire the fermax to a binary sensor and automate the gate opening.
For Aircon, most likely mitsubishi, this one no way to automate other than using an IR blaster that is samsung compatible but you will have no way to know if the aircon is on or not.
Another better option is the Ambi climate. It's better than sensibo in that sense that it can pick up if someone change setting via the remote..

sorry for the questions if they sound dumb cos im totally new to this.

thanks!
See response above
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Old 15-05-2019, 01:49 PM   #843
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assuming im going with google home and samsung home hub

i just have to look for samsung compatible smart lights, fans, door locks and curtains and proceed to set up?
I think you are on the right track. Basically the first step is to choose a hub. How much you are willing to tinker and how complex your automation rules are will determine what type of hub you will be using. On the one end there are Home Assistant and OpenHab, very complex but also the most powerful and most device compatibility. On the other end, you can choose single company hub e.g. Xiaomi Aqara hub, Broadlink RM pro, Ikea hub, etc. These will only work with devices from the same company and automation rules are basic only. In the middle are hubs like Homey, Hubitat, SmartThings, etc. These work with a lot of devices but automation rules are less complex than HA or OpenHab.

Deciding on the hub to used will limit the devices that you can use, so if you have chosen SmartThings, just look for devices that are compatible with SmartThings. Please also note that Google home and Alexa are not actually hub, they are smart speakers, they don't help you to integrate devices from different company or help you to set automation rules other than scheduled.
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Old 15-05-2019, 04:00 PM   #844
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I am looking at the microbot push but since it cant connect to my hub, I'm still looking around.
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You use Homey? Homey can talk HTTP?
Docker image: https://github.com/VRGhost/PyPush

I used Switchbot and for some reason, couldn't use the native HA component for it and hacked together from some Japanese's IOT code that uses MQTT to integrate the Switchbot to other things. For example, a quick google yielded https://github.com/kahiroka/microbot.
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Old 15-05-2019, 05:40 PM   #845
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Sidetracking:
You use Homey? Homey can talk HTTP?
Docker image: https://github.com/VRGhost/PyPush

I used Switchbot and for some reason, couldn't use the native HA component for it and hacked together from some Japanese's IOT code that uses MQTT to integrate the Switchbot to other things. For example, a quick google yielded https://github.com/kahiroka/microbot.
Yes using Homey, homey can talk http, using it to poll APIs.
I actually am using node red to poll too with a raspi but stopped since I'm lazy to touch HA.. but node red is still so much easier.. not using any computers at home since I make it a point not to work from home so I haven't played with it much. one reason I prefer homey is the ease of configuring without a need for a computer. just a tablet will do.

maybe time to break out my raspberry from storage and try again..
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Old 15-05-2019, 11:02 PM   #846
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You can use this to control your switch bot. I am using it to control 2 switch bots.

https://github.com/zewelor/bt-mqtt-gateway

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You use Homey? Homey can talk HTTP?
Docker image: https://github.com/VRGhost/PyPush

I used Switchbot and for some reason, couldn't use the native HA component for it and hacked together from some Japanese's IOT code that uses MQTT to integrate the Switchbot to other things. For example, a quick google yielded https://github.com/kahiroka/microbot.
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thanks everyone for your replies and suggestions. very informative and helpful!

will try to get started this weekend and hope it goes smoothly.
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Old 16-05-2019, 08:25 AM   #848
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Yes using Homey, homey can talk http, using it to poll APIs.
I actually am using node red to poll too with a raspi but stopped since I'm lazy to touch HA.. but node red is still so much easier.. not using any computers at home since I make it a point not to work from home so I haven't played with it much. one reason I prefer homey is the ease of configuring without a need for a computer. just a tablet will do.

maybe time to break out my raspberry from storage and try again..
I'm still deciding whether I want a Hubitat or Homey.
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Old 16-05-2019, 10:29 AM   #850
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I'm still deciding whether I want a Hubitat or Homey.
If u have RF devices like ceiling fans then consider how you want to bridge it. else I believe it's up to interface. Are you the only user and how easy it is for other members in the household.

Trouble for Alexa users like me
How about having both google assistant and alexa? I use both as each still have their shortcomings..
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Old 16-05-2019, 10:55 AM   #851
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else I believe it's up to interface. Are you the only user and how easy it is for other members in the household.
The interface is for you only. If it is setup correctly, other users will not have to touch the interface at all. Either it is automated; motion triggered light, or using voice remote; "XXX, turn on light" or using actual switch.
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https://www.housesmarty.com/2019/05/...ovelli-ge.html

For newbies who dun understand why some smart switch, and how "live-only" switches require a minimum load or your light will flicker.
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You can use this to control your switch bot. I am using it to control 2 switch bots.

https://github.com/zewelor/bt-mqtt-gateway
thanks, will take a closer look.
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How about having both google assistant and alexa? I use both as each still have their shortcomings..
My HA setup with AA was well before GH and the other open source ecosystems were even available. I can see GH trying to go down the path of exclusivity like Apple with their HK. The end result is less options for users and prices will go up accordingly.

I can see myself probably going down the open source route in future, but not to a closed system.
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I can see myself probably going down the open source route in future, but not to a closed system.
Are there any open system for smart speaker?
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