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Old 20-06-2007, 03:33 PM   #31
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this is a very good thread for "Air con company to avoid"

I am risking my $2k to test on Allbest...haha..
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Old 20-06-2007, 03:47 PM   #32
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things you shall invest properly one you dun spend, things dun need to pay so much one you go and waste $$$ on sigh.....
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Old 20-06-2007, 11:52 PM   #33
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Belllyache abt Carre4's aircon installers

To continue, I was giving the 'tai-chi' round-a-round when I complained to Carre4 re damaged parquet floor on account of worker's sloppy work.

It seems Carre4 called up the contractor and it was the contractor's installation worker who called me to apologise instead(shouldn't the boss be responsible for its worker's mess?!) saying he can't afford to compensate me as he's just a worker. Wat can I do? - I don't want him out of a job, so I am forced to accept his apology.

It still rankles and hence this thread of caution to anyone out there

Wonder if there's any punishment meted in hell for these irresponsible workers?
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Old 26-06-2007, 05:10 AM   #34
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improper insulation and installation will lead to all these leaking one. Most of them give you the so called "1 year workmanship warranty" which is bullsh*t as it will start giving you problem from 2nd years onwards unless you do not turn on frequently......
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I recently bought a new 4 room flat, so thinking to do air-conditioning on the 3 rooms.

What are the pointers to look for for on workmanship?

As you have mentioned, Insulation and installation. So how do we know if the contractors have done a good job?

Are there more insulation types of foam other than grey and black?

Kindly advise as I know nothing on all these, but wanna avoid making mistakes.

Thanks.
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Old 26-06-2007, 09:51 AM   #35
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improper insulation and installation will lead to all these leaking one. Most of them give you the so called "1 year workmanship warranty" which is bullsh*t as it will start giving you problem from 2nd years onwards unless you do not turn on frequently......

how about those company that give 5 years workmanship warranty ? in fact, most company are providing that now..
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Old 26-06-2007, 11:38 PM   #36
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how about those company that give 5 years workmanship warranty ? in fact, most company are providing that now..

5 yr warranty?? dun believe their bullsh1t.. read their conditions and fine print carefully
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Old 27-06-2007, 02:26 PM   #37
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Cool 2 cts' or less worth

1)Insulation Piping Class 1 or 0-
Oops, don't know any much better but my aircon cousin told me black insulation piping is better than grey -

Well, I needed to buy another set of air-con for another flat - same , Toshiba, made in Thailand. I finally bought from Gain City which my aircon supervisor originally advised- I paid $150 more than at Carre4- price of peace of mind

At Gain City, they have other thicker insulations but cost more, they will advise you.
For me, I just took the black piping vs the grey piping when they ask me to select for normal installation.

2) Drainage pipe - bigger better, but cost more?

Less pipe joints - so less problem at joints.

3) Ask for experienced installer & then pray.
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Old 27-06-2007, 02:55 PM   #38
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colour doesn't mean anything..

for insulation, go for minimum Totaline..

Armaflex seems to be better..

normally they give 3/8"...if you can afford...go for 1/2 inch..
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Old 27-06-2007, 07:37 PM   #39
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how about those company that give 5 years workmanship warranty ? in fact, most company are providing that now..
yah yah yah, charge you 5x more and give you 5 years warranty mah, like that I also know lah....

aiyo, as others said, dun believe such bullsh*t okay? if it's good, it doesn't need any warranty got problem, give them a call, will response within 24hr. simple as that, but dun think i need to use that kind of service

ok45sg, drop them a call, and tell them you're going to raise a case to small claim tribunal, see if the boss will reply to you or not. I can't remember how much liao, but $20 is enough to give him tons of trouble to go down and meet the judge and forced to pay you. But I dunno how much is your aircon, may not qualified for SCT though.....

just talk to the boss and said it's his responsibility to handle the screw upsz. Nothing to do with the worker, he won't get out of job one.

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Old 28-06-2007, 04:03 PM   #40
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well...your statement not really right..

last time TV can last 20 over years...they also give 5 years warranty...then why suddenly change to only 1 year?? because they are good? Bring good doesn't mean there will not be problem.

Fixing Aircon is a very complicated process...anyway..remember, even the best chef can have a bad mood day too...
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workmanship and goods warranty are different, how can you just compare apple and orange like that?

when your aircon spoilt , you dun look for aircon man, you look for the manufacturer.....
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exactly...so both warranty is required..

Aircon installation is not like normal electronics appliances...where you can buy and run...
comparing companyA giving no workmanship and companyB giving 5 years workmanship...(at not extra cost...this is not like extended warranty dude)


you will choose company A, just becos u think "good things shouldn't spoilt" ? that's more crap I think....
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Old 30-06-2007, 01:53 AM   #43
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this is a very good thread for "Air con company to avoid"

I am risking my $2k to test on Allbest...haha..
jus saw this thread today. my sanyo aircon is bought from allbest. 1st day install aircon not cold already. fix for 2 times still same results. in the end call the sanyo engineer come.

turns out allbest contractor fix the pipes thingy wrongly. the gas leak thus not cold. sanyo engineer fix the problem liao but 3 months later, the problem exists again. i have totally give up on my master room's aircon liao. might be changing it soon.

so mainly my advise is dont go allbest and dont buy sanyo. they can promise u the skies etc when u buy ur things, but do remember read abt the fine prints etc. the compressor wires pipes etc, i see other houses 1 all nicely use conceal but mine the allbest contractor just left it a mess . complains also useless lol....
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puck..
who is the installer from Allbest?
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Old 30-06-2007, 07:26 AM   #45
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ekardo, i really wish you good luck man.....despite all the bad comments about them, you still go ahead lol!

I never trust any company in the market, I only trust the installer who is most familiar with my floorplan, that means, the one who already installed many many times in my area

but sometimes it depends on your luck lah, bad installer doesn't mean sure screw up or they would have been out of job liaoz.......see how you press them and how they tekan you lor, if things turn sour....

those haven't bought anything yet, try to get recommendation from your neighbours, not your left right neighbours hoh, it's as many neighbours as possible.....I met about 3-4 recommendations and all cmi one, the moment you compare the way they tell you how they run the piping, you should have the gut feeling about their capability I actually paid $3040 for an Envio system 3 + 24K/Btu single split. My neighbour's fancoil PCB spoilt on the 2nd day, but it was rectified and replaced by Panasonic. If workmanship is good, dun need warranty one lah.
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