[benedium]

How about this local seller Treoo
https://s.lazada.sg/s.ZapBY

Seems quite legit and safe

[crinkypeanut]

techidiot wrote:

Studio monitor like Micca usually will sound flat as compare
with home theater speakers like Sony, Pioneer/Onkyo etc.
Flat in the sense, it will sound natural with mild/little bass.

Would be good to get a sub for it then? I might be going for this since my family members prefer the look of this compared to the others

[crinkypeanut]

techidiot wrote:

Due to your tight budget, you can consider Denon x250bt.

https://denononlinestore.com/collect...non-avr-x250bt

Speaker wise you have to look around, the Sony speaker for what I know.
It sound bright and dependent on suitable AVR for it to shine.
AVR and speaker are not proprietary to each other but it's sound signature is.

Unfortunately Sony AVR/Amp are not sold here in SG so have to look for alternative.

You can consider these alternative:

Edifier S350DB



https://www.lazada.sg/products/edifi...cd5XIIGHB&mp=1

Suitable for living room, from TV use optical to connect.
There is remote to control.
The speaker design is two way meaning there is tweeter and mid range speaker which is bookshelf speaker but with a subwoofer.

AVR and speaker are not proprietary to each other but it's sound signature is.

I see okay, in these kinds of systems they'll just use the normal speaker wire? On that note, after I've selected my speakers and other equipment are speaker wires expensive? Saw alot of people spend insane amounts of the cables but I bet there are cheaper options as well haha. What is important to know about speaker wires?

[crinkypeanut]

iicecube wrote:

TS $1k can choose those bundle set with AVR like this
https://shopee.sg/Denon-AVR-X1600H-J...989.4836095090

Its doesnt matter what sizes as long its 5.1 surround effect for movie will do, when come to music you can do stereo mode.
If TS "diedie" wanna 2.1 setup without surround which you got 2 option with that tight budget is to get edifier s350db or buy a used AVR then choose everything wharfedale can offer you.
https://shopee.sg/Wharfedale-Diamond...789.3230479895
https://shopee.sg/WHARFEDALE-WH-S8E-...617.1580152330
(If you dont wanna buy online, you can go sim lim theres a shop selling wharfedale products)
You dont need a centre speaker for the dialog, wait later you will complain very "soft" or cant listen all this..

Put away your "best sound" theoretically thought as its wont make you step into audio system world, do it step by step and upgrade later..

Won't be getting a 5.1 as I've stated that I cannot fit it properly in my living room arrangement. Centre speaker I think I wait till next time got more money then do. For now I will stick to my current budget, I don't want to keep getting tempted by "oh spend abit more here then slightly better" then slowly from ideally spending 600 creep up to 1k+, too much for me liao. 1.2 -1.3k is for the whole system including TV. Ended up getting a TV from my friend for about $600. Roughly left 600-700. Ezbuy import the Micca RB42 should be about $200 (Usd>sgd) + $30 ezbuy. Then just get the x550bt used/ x250bt. Got abit of leftover for speaker wire and possibly some foam inserts for under the speakers. Got a noob question, why are speaker stands so expensive

[benedium]

Speaker stand can buy used ones. As long as it raises your speaker tweeters to ear height.

Anyway regarding speakers please get one that has dedicated centre version for when u decide u need a center speaker in future. Different speakers can sound very different in tone and texture and atmosphere, so u really shouldn't mix and match especially for front 3 speakers. Alternatively, u may get same bookshelf version and use just one side as center. But make sure u have space under the tv for that as bookshelf speakers are taller than dedicated centre speakers. Like I said in my PM, don't rush but plan well.

[lxXXxl]

crinkypeanut wrote:

Won't be getting a 5.1 as I've stated that I cannot fit it properly in my living room arrangement. Centre speaker I think I wait till next time got more money then do. For now I will stick to my current budget, I don't want to keep getting tempted by "oh spend abit more here then slightly better" then slowly from ideally spending 600 creep up to 1k+, too much for me liao. 1.2 -1.3k is for the whole system including TV. Ended up getting a TV from my friend for about $600. Roughly left 600-700. Ezbuy import the Micca RB42 should be about $200 (Usd>sgd) + $30 ezbuy. Then just get the x550bt used/ x250bt. Got abit of leftover for speaker wire and possibly some foam inserts for under the speakers. Got a noob question, why are speaker stands so expensive

Get the JBL A120, now discounted to $199. The A130 is very well reviewed on ASR forum, the A120 should be comparable.
https://www.jblonlinestore.com/products/stage-a120

If not the JBL A120, still don't get the Micca, consider the well reviewed Neumi BS5
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.14404/
https://www.amazon.sg/NEUMI-BS5-Pass.../dp/B07YZDS9LF
*I have prime membership, international shipping is free for this as far as I can tell.


Micca RB42 not really good because of its lumpy response and the sound is not as consistent when not listening directly in front of speakers (can be quite frequent)
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.11267/
A different Micca model, still bad:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.15307/



When on tight budget for home theatre, there's only 1 real problem you'll have: you have no additional money to spend on an EQ solution for your subwoofer. EQ is needed because your room will screw up the bass frequencies (aka boomy bass). What's needed is a simple way to reduce the volume in those specific frequencies. On PC you can use free eq software.

If you can get the x550bt seems great because it comes with eq software. Just make sure it comes with the mic if it's used.


Subwoofer get as big as you can stomach (~10-12inches). Don't use neighbors as an excuse . And no, even music need good subs, just bookshelf speakers alone cannot do music justice.

Second hand is fine, but do make sure you can test the sub with test tones and to see how low it really goes. If the seller don't allow testing, then don't bother.

I always use wwenze's video. If 20-30hz volume dropoff is minimal and still very clear and audible (relative to say 80-100hz) at your seated position, means the sub is competent. Also take note whether the port noise becomes too noisy at lower frequencies.

Speaker stands are expensive mainly because they need to be stable AND made of as little materials as possible, so typically have to be heavy. You're just paying for shipping / logistics / manufacturing costs.

Speakers ~$200
Used sub ~$300?
Used amp ~$300?

[Soccer Ball]

No budget dun go for full setup. Either slowly bit by bit or save up 1 time whack.

[lxXXxl]

techidiot wrote:

I would you rather just buy the Pioneer HTS-076:



Around $599 than later on change to Bookshelf speaker when you have budget.
So do managed your expectations, $500 is very difficult to get a decent bookshelf speaker and AVR.

Receiver looks perfectly fine, but the speakers.... 3 inches and a 6 inch / 120w sub... aiyo, really shouldn't waste money like that. The speakers/sub will not be able to push sufficient air to sound good. Might as well buy Creative or Edifier speakers and save the money.

*and no way to eq for the room. Only suitable for people who really, really hate the hassle and just want all in one, fire and forget.

[benedium]

Is this model with passive subwoofer again?
Buyer need to note implications of this. Maybe at this budget really got no other option...

[benedium]

Oh yah u are right. It has preout for future active subwoofer upgrade

[lxXXxl]

Just to add, if TS wants Pioneer avr for some reason, can consider this second hand vsx-524, at least got built in 'MCACC' room correction, though I have no personal experience of the quality and customizability (can eq specific frequencies?) of Pioneer's solution. Not ex also. Just make sure really got the microphone included.

https://www.carousell.sg/p/pioneer-5...24-1056058188/

[benedium]

Wah TS so lucky got the whole gang here helping him out LOL. It really is Xmas time

Merry Xmas and HAPPY New Year guys!

[lxXXxl]

benedium wrote:

Wah TS so lucky got the whole gang here helping him out LOL. It really is Xmas time

Merry Xmas and HAPPY New Year guys!

Yes, will pm TS to send me some Xmas angbao from his savings later.

[iicecube]

crinkypeanut wrote:

AVR and speaker are not proprietary to each other but it's sound signature is.

I see okay, in these kinds of systems they'll just use the normal speaker wire? On that note, after I've selected my speakers and other equipment are speaker wires expensive? Saw alot of people spend insane amounts of the cables but I bet there are cheaper options as well haha. What is important to know about speaker wires?

Speaker wire can buy those cut out length at sim lim tower, use "16 gauge awg" wire if you are in shorter distance and "14" below is for longer distance..
The shop will cut the length you wanna and its cheaper that way..

If you just wanna setup 2.1 either get this s350db or wharfedale set which fit you budget with a used AVR..

[crinkypeanut]

lxXXxl wrote:

Get the JBL A120, now discounted to $199. The A130 is very well reviewed on ASR forum, the A120 should be comparable.
https://www.jblonlinestore.com/products/stage-a120

If not the JBL A120, still don't get the Micca, consider the well reviewed Neumi BS5
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.14404/
https://www.amazon.sg/NEUMI-BS5-Pass.../dp/B07YZDS9LF
*I have prime membership, international shipping is free for this as far as I can tell.


Micca RB42 not really good because of its lumpy response and the sound is not as consistent when not listening directly in front of speakers (can be quite frequent)
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.11267/
A different Micca model, still bad:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.15307/

Wah alot of cheem terms that I don't understand haha, you show me all these graphs I also blur . My living room is quite small so there isn't really a problem with sitting in front of the speakers for Micca but I will take what you said into consideration for the Micca. Maybe eli5 abit I don't really like the look of the JBL but will consider the Neumi.

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When on tight budget for home theatre, there's only 1 real problem you'll have: you have no additional money to spend on an EQ solution for your subwoofer. EQ is needed because your room will screw up the bass frequencies (aka boomy bass). What's needed is a simple way to reduce the volume in those specific frequencies. On PC you can use free eq software.

Sounds like alot of messing around with settings. Honestly I would like to avoid this kind of tuning stuff at such an early stage. I feel like I also won't know what to tune and how to tune it in a manner that would have it sound nice. Feel like when I'm a kid and I cook stuff then just anyhow add ingredients then "wow taste not bad" to the horror of my ahma seeing me adding sugar to her soup

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If you can get the x550bt seems great because it comes with eq software. Just make sure it comes with the mic if it's used.


Subwoofer get as big as you can stomach (~10-12inches). Don't use neighbors as an excuse . And no, even music need good subs, just bookshelf speakers alone cannot do music justice.

Second hand is fine, but do make sure you can test the sub with test tones and to see how low it really goes. If the seller don't allow testing, then don't bother.

I always use wwenze's video. If 20-30hz volume dropoff is minimal and still very clear and audible (relative to say 80-100hz) at your seated position, means the sub is competent. Also take note whether the port noise becomes too noisy at lower frequencies.

Again, I feel like I wouldn't know what to test for, not exactly an audiophile. I feel audio so subjective it's hard to develop the feel for it at the start unlike other things like PC building which is just like legos. Will take some time to learn what's what I guess

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Speaker stands are expensive mainly because they need to be stable AND made of as little materials as possible, so typically have to be heavy. You're just paying for shipping / logistics / manufacturing costs.

How does it compare to just getting those foam inserts that angle the speakers upward?