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Old 10-08-2014, 12:13 PM   #2716
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Can go find a screw on type adapter for your normal coaxial jack
U mean like a converter? Convert from screw on to the normal connector?
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Old 10-08-2014, 02:15 PM   #2717
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Really contemplating on building the DIY antenna as i am hearing stuttering on audio every 10 secs or so when watching live tv on NPVR. Recording sounds fine though...

However my connectors are all those normal coaxial jacks. Not the screw on type...eg those behind tv, tv card or matv jack. So i think i need the one the ming ern suggested and link the copper wire directly to the paper clips
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For me I bought the right-angle version so that I can tie up the cable behind pc casing or TV so as to avoid dislodging when moving the casing/TV.
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Old 10-08-2014, 04:58 PM   #2718
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MDA already mandates cable operator to carry out FTA channels on cable network, just that they dun hv the newer HD version channels of Ch8, Suria, Vasan yet~ the rest of it already in digital for many yrs~

technical wise, its not an issue~ we had seen starhub testing HD8 & suria on ch154, 156 before~ only thing is whether will they make it free or encrypted~ even if its free, tv users still need DVB-C box or tv with built-in DVB-C, which makes the campaign on DVB-T2 looks poorly planned~
I believe most ppl are not looking for DVB-C

Today most or all non subscriber of starhub/mio connect their TV to SCV point for FTA analogue channels that are carry by the cable network.

When come to the new FTA HD channels, non subscriber of starhub/mio have to use antenna. Is this because of technical issue that new FTA HD channels cannot be carry in cable network?

Or is it because someone of MDA made the stupid decision not to mandate that the new FTA HD channels signals be carried through the cable network?
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Old 10-08-2014, 05:41 PM   #2719
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anyone noticed that yesterday ndp live telecast starhub/dvb-t 5(HD) got no subtitles at all, while all other SD and HD channels got subtitles?

and i also noticed that dvb-t2 8(HD) choosing eng or chi sub only can see eng/pinyin subtitles no chinese words, but 8(SD) got embedded chinese words.

seems like mediacorp is still very messy handling all diff versions of subtitles... and totally forgotten that starhub HD5 still using embedded subtitles.
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Old 10-08-2014, 05:48 PM   #2720
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When come to the new FTA HD channels, non subscriber of starhub/mio have to use antenna. Is this because of technical issue that new FTA HD channels cannot be carry in cable network?
as discussed previously in this thread, there is a new thing called "digital indoor coverage" which is similar to mobile phone reception.
they are now building dvb-t2 indoor coverage in all neighbourhoods and after 2016 everywhere in singapore u just need a small little indoor antenna (like handphone antenna, not those powerful antenna discussed here) and can recv dvb-t2 signal easily already.
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Old 10-08-2014, 08:26 PM   #2721
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Really contemplating on building the DIY antenna as i am hearing stuttering on audio every 10 secs or so when watching live tv on NPVR. Recording sounds fine though...

However my connectors are all those normal coaxial jacks. Not the screw on type...eg those behind tv, tv card or matv jack. So i think i need the one the ming ern suggested and link the copper wire directly to the paper clips
if the recorded video is fine, then most likely it is not a signal issue but a live tv issue with npvr, just like some players cannot playback the recorded video properly, always got stuttering audio or no sound with certain audio track

NPVR is a good software for recording but for live tv, me prefer those small tv softwares with nice gui one

u can allocate tuner A for NPVR to do recording while allocating tuner B for other tv softwares for live tv
some allow u to configure which audio track to use by default per individual channel so u can avoid the problematic audio track
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:09 PM   #2722
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anyone noticed that yesterday ndp live telecast starhub/dvb-t 5(HD) got no subtitles at all, while all other SD and HD channels got subtitles?

and i also noticed that dvb-t2 8(HD) choosing eng or chi sub only can see eng/pinyin subtitles no chinese words, but 8(SD) got embedded chinese words.

seems like mediacorp is still very messy handling all diff versions of subtitles... and totally forgotten that starhub HD5 still using embedded subtitles.
Yes, also at certain part, both channel 8 and channel U has picture but no sound. I find kind of stupid to have all channels broadcast the same NDP. They have not truly make use of the Nicam technology to transmit is dual languages on same channel.
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:10 PM   #2723
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Eh nope... unfortunately Mediacorp has currently no plans to broadcast the digital signals through the cable network that was built into all homes. For whatever reasons. But I suspect it is to ensure that FTA remains as that. But it's really irritating cos we're going back to the Stone Age with wires and antennas all over the place, one unit for every TV you have.

I have no idea why. The thing is if you subscribe to Starhub pay TV then you do not need the antenna. Which means that Starhub is obliged to carry the FTA signals for all pay-TV customers. Which then means that there are no technical restrictions. Which also means it is basically a commercial decision. And that also means that if MDA mandates that all signals must be carried through the cable network, then it will be possible. So who knows who made the stupid decision not to mandate that the signals be carried through the cable network or through the fibre network.
actually even if they don't wana use cable for the moment, since the master antenna is there, and they like antenna so much, why can't just use that and need every household to buy own antenna .... really is very jialat
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Old 10-08-2014, 10:33 PM   #2724
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as discussed previously in this thread, there is a new thing called "digital indoor coverage" which is similar to mobile phone reception.
they are now building dvb-t2 indoor coverage in all neighbourhoods and after 2016 everywhere in singapore u just need a small little indoor antenna (like handphone antenna, not those powerful antenna discussed here) and can recv dvb-t2 signal easily already.
Well that's pure stupidity, plain and simple... they can simply send the signal through the cable network or through the fibre network. Every house in Singapore has both networks... so I don't see what the problem is... as for DVB-C or DVB-T2, it's all a matter of decoding it, and so just change the distribution end of things... I don't think it's that difficult a matter... and therefore if your TV has DVB-T2 built-in, all you really need is to plug in the cable from the wall and voila! You get FTA HD channels... if Starhub can carry 100+ channels HD through the cable network, what's 8 more channels at 720p?!

And why should we have to buy extra antennas, and the govt has to come in to spend extra money to help the poor buy antennas and set-top boxes to receive the signals?! It's just smacks of stupidity!

Obviously not thought through with the man in the street in mind and clearly from some technical engineering standpoint or economic standpoint... I don't think there are any unsurmountable technical issues either...

MDA has not come up to explain itself and it's silence is as deafening as the stupidity of the decision to use external antennas, one for each TV you own... crazy...
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Who got this ?

Amazon.com: Mohu Leaf 50 Indoor HDTV Antenna: Electronics

Is it good ?
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:12 PM   #2726
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Daiso Large Paper Binder @ $2
Black or Silver doesn't matter, but i got the Silver one for aesthetics.
Daiso 0.55mm x 14m Copper Wire @ $2
I find that thicker ones will be better. There is also 0.9mm thickness available at Daiso.
UF Technology Balun Transformer @ $1
Sony DVD Jewel Case @ FREE

I only need 6 of the paper binders, i.e. $1.20
" about 40 cm worth of copper wire, i.e. $0.06

Hence 1 built set only cost $2.26!
(exclude workmanship )
Thx for sharing.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:14 PM   #2727
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Thx for sharing.
Build already let me know how good is it.

Thanks..................
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Old 11-08-2014, 07:29 PM   #2728
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if the recorded video is fine, then most likely it is not a signal issue but a live tv issue with npvr, just like some players cannot playback the recorded video properly, always got stuttering audio or no sound with certain audio track

NPVR is a good software for recording but for live tv, me prefer those small tv softwares with nice gui one

u can allocate tuner A for NPVR to do recording while allocating tuner B for other tv softwares for live tv
some allow u to configure which audio track to use by default per individual channel so u can avoid the problematic audio track
Hi LIVE

Which software would you recommend for live tv?

I tried dvbdream etc but the software is very unstable. The only stable software that i have that supports DVB T2 is NPVR. I prefer standalone software (ie not those server/client type)
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Old 12-08-2014, 10:42 PM   #2729
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Build already let me know how good is it.

Thanks..................
Haven't built it yet... TV delayed... haiz... reno delayed also... double haiz...
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Old 13-08-2014, 01:09 AM   #2730
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Haven't built it yet... TV delayed... haiz... reno delayed also... double haiz...
A great world of difference if its digital hd as compared to analog.
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