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edwinz 29-11-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81547966)
Thanks.... show CH8 HD leh. :o

Feel lazy but here goes
http://i43.tinypic.com/2hhlifa.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/mijmh5.jpg
Not so clear hor? I feel the preview channels were the real deal as I said earlier... This feels like 720p or lower

Kiwi8 29-11-2013 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by edwinz (Post 81548700)
Feel lazy but here goes
http://i43.tinypic.com/2hhlifa.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/mijmh5.jpg
Not so clear hor? I feel the preview channels were the real deal as I said earlier... This feels like 720p or lower

Thanks...... :o

edwinz 29-11-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81548815)
Thanks...... :o

Welcome...

edwinz 29-11-2013 11:19 PM

Basket.. My channels disappear again...
Is somebody monitoring this thread or something...

Kiwi8 29-11-2013 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by edwinz (Post 81548922)
Basket.. My channels disappear again...
Is somebody monitoring this thread or something...

Well they are still on trial, so if it's about the same as the previous DVB-T trial, the signals are normally only on either during the day, or from 6pm to 11pm.

edwinz 29-11-2013 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81548815)
Thanks...... :o

btw.. the pics are rotated coz it was uploaded from iphone

koreanlover 29-11-2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Uraku Asia (Post 81542140)
No.
I'm using the DVB-T2 Set Top Box. (Sunplus + Sony Demodulator Solution)

Where did you get this and how much ?

ykgoh 30-11-2013 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by edwinz (Post 81547861)
http://i44.tinypic.com/w7hop.jpg
GPGT
I feel the preview was so much more"HD" than this..
Current HD is maybe 720p, although my input says 1080i

1080i is worse than 720p. 1080i is technically equivalent to 540p in the number of real pixels displayed because it is interlaced.

edwinz 30-11-2013 12:58 AM

Ijjit!!! Basket... Kena smoke...

cheong79 30-11-2013 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by edwinz (Post 81547861)
http://i44.tinypic.com/w7hop.jpg
GPGT
I feel the preview was so much more"HD" than this..
Current HD is maybe 720p, although my input says 1080i

Bro, you using sony bravia 32 W674A TV? Are you using the build in DVB-T2 to get the hd channels?

ykgoh 30-11-2013 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by edwinz (Post 81551270)
Ijjit!!! Basket... Kena smoke...

Yes it's true. Just in case you missed my YouTube link.


edwinz 30-11-2013 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by cheong79 (Post 81551451)
Bro, you using sony bravia 32 W674A TV? Are you using the build in DVB-T2 to get the hd channels?

Yup!! The test channels very clear.. Later got time I post from my HD media files to compare ...

congster2 30-11-2013 07:28 AM

Folks which antennas r u using again? Cannot use the hdb aerial antenna?

edwinz 30-11-2013 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ykgoh (Post 81551477)
Yes it's true. Just in case you missed my YouTube link.


Woah... Now I understand...Thanks a lot!
But why the test channels clearer when both were 1080i?
I think it's because the source native format is lower res for some channels vs. the best resolution I see now in the test channel, even when the boardcast format is 1080i... Is my guess correct I wonder?

stamina 30-11-2013 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81549024)
Well they are still on trial, so if it's about the same as the previous DVB-T trial, the signals are normally only on either during the day, or from 6pm to 11pm.

I have an LG DvB-T2 build in TV. I tried auto tuning at 7am just now.Under DTV auto tuning, it doesnt detect any digital channel. Any idea why?

edwinz 30-11-2013 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by edwinz (Post 81553531)
Yup!! The test channels very clear.. Later got time I post from my HD media files to compare ...

Test Channel
http://i44.tinypic.com/f4hffq.jpg

1080p format in compressed media file
http://i39.tinypic.com/2m6a537.jpg

HD5(ok lah, much better than ch8 but feel it lose to test channel
http://i40.tinypic.com/e96vme.jpg

Pictures uploaded with iPhone and maybe rotated

edwinz 30-11-2013 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by congster2 (Post 81553565)
Folks which antennas r u using again? Cannot use the hdb aerial antenna?

I am using my 2-4 meter cable, looping it around some of sections in my window grill and touching the coaxial connector directly to the grill.
http://i44.tinypic.com/2vd1hq9.jpg

Word of warning! Mileage may vary and my location is in Pheonix/CCK. Perhaps close to signal station?

edwinz 30-11-2013 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81553622)
I have an LG DvB-T2 build in TV. I tried auto tuning at 7am just now.Under DTV auto tuning, it doesnt detect any digital channel. Any idea why?

You got connect coaxial to over the air antenna or the windows grill like me?

edwinz 30-11-2013 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by congster2 (Post 81553565)
Folks which antennas r u using again? Cannot use the hdb aerial antenna?

Are you sure it's Aerial antenna?just doing a sanity check

stamina 30-11-2013 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by edwinz (Post 81553731)
You got connect coaxial to over the air antenna or the windows grill like me?

i just connect from the wall scv cable to tv lah. Is that correct?

Kiwi8 30-11-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81553622)
I have an LG DvB-T2 build in TV. I tried auto tuning at 7am just now.Under DTV auto tuning, it doesnt detect any digital channel. Any idea why?

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81554212)
i just connect from the wall scv cable to tv lah. Is that correct?

The wall SCV cable antenna only has DVB-C signals and no DVB-T2 signals. If your DVB-T2 TV doesn't support DVB-C then it can't receive the channels.

stamina 30-11-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81554362)
The wall SCV cable antenna only has DVB-C signals and no DVB-T2 signals. If your DVB-T2 TV doesn't support DVB-C then it can't receive the channels.

Alamak. Then this dvb-t2 channels come from which source? I thought in flats, only got two source, scv wall cable and rooftop antenna cable?

Kiwi8 30-11-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81554513)
Alamak. Then this dvb-t2 channels come from which source? I thought in flats, only got two source, scv wall cable and rooftop antenna cable?

DVB-T2 channels are in the air (ie wireless), so u can receive them from rooftop antenna or indoor antenna. This contrasts with DVB-C channels which are carried on StarHub's cable network.

stamina 30-11-2013 09:22 AM

So for my case, shouldnt then the tv detect automatically even though the scv cable is connected to the tv?

Kiwi8 30-11-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81554710)
So for my case, shouldnt then the tv detect automatically even though the scv cable is connected to the tv?

So u have not answered the question. Does your TV support the tuning of DVB-C channels?

stamina 30-11-2013 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81554737)
So u have not answered the question. Does your TV support the tuning of DVB-C channels?

i dnt see any mentioning of dvb-c in the online product page of my lg 47la690t.just dvb-t2. Can help me check and confirm?but it should support dvb-c too rite since i can watch scv wall cable channels now.

Silverback84 30-11-2013 09:29 AM

if I have a dvb-t hd receiver can it receive hd5 n hd8?

Kiwi8 30-11-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81554818)
i dnt see any mentioning of dvb-c in the online product page of my lg 42la690t.just dvb-t2. Can help me check and confirm?

Only DVB-T2.

stamina 30-11-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81554926)
Only DVB-T2.

okay.but how come i can watch the scv wall cable channels which u say are dvb-c? So how is my tv able to detect T2?

Kiwi8 30-11-2013 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81554969)
okay.but how come i can watch the scv wall cable channels which u say are dvb-c? So how is my tv able to detect T2?

The SCV wall cable still has analog channels. Your TV also can tune to analog channels. So it's probable that u are tuning to analog channels.

stamina 30-11-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81554993)
The SCV wall cable still has analog channels. Your TV also can tune to analog channels. So it's probable that u are tuning to analog channels.

okay and since i have bought this new tv which has in built dvb t2 tuner, how do i then take advantage of the t2 channels?

Kiwi8 30-11-2013 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81555059)
okay and since i have bought this new tv which has in built dvb t2 tuner, how do i then take advantage of the t2 channels?

Connect to the rooftop antenna, or buy an indoor antenna, or build a DIY antenna.

ykgoh 30-11-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81555224)
Connect to the rooftop antenna, or buy an indoor antenna, or build a DIY antenna.

Just curious. Currently if using an indoor antenna for DVB-T2, is it guaranteed to produce crystal clear images? Or still a largely hit-and-miss affair depending on location, antenna orientation, antenna quality, and some other factors?

I still remember bad old days of analog indoor antennas giving fuzzy and grainy images. :( For digital signal, I believe it's is either we get a perfect image on the screen or nothing at all?

Kiwi8 30-11-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ykgoh (Post 81555420)
Just curious. Currently if using an indoor antenna for DVB-T2, is it guaranteed to produce crystal clear images? Or still a largely hit-and-miss affair depending on location, antenna orientation, antenna quality, and some other factors?

I still remember bad old days of analog indoor antennas giving fuzzy and grainy images. :( For digital signal, I believe it's is either we get a perfect image on the screen or nothing at all?

Not guaranteed. It depends on your location, antenna orientation.

congster2 30-11-2013 10:12 AM

Thanks. Realized the freaking wall socket rooftop antenna point was the problem. When i tap it onto a fan metal grill, was able to pick up some digital signals although there seemed to be a mix bag of both scv digital and mediacorp sd channels. Have yet to widen the tuning scope. I might just get an indoor antenna. Maybe a none powered one if such exists.

mrsun18 30-11-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mrsun18 (Post 81278956)
This is the reply from MediaCorp when I enquired on the channels to be used for the new dvb-t2 transmission, to prepare our condo's matv for the new format:

All our 7 MediaCorpís channel will be available on 3 frequencies during the Digital Switch On. The three frequencies are Ch27 (518 to 526MHz), Ch29 (534 to 542MHz) and Ch31 (550 to 558MHz).

Now I see a sudden burst of interest in the new transmission format.

For those using hdb wall outlets, and private properties (landed or older condos) with own antennae, if your tv sets can receive on analogue

U (chan28)
Octo (chan 30)
CNA (chan 32)


there is a high probability that you can receive the new T2 channels if your tv sets are T2 ready.

However, for some hdb blocks, these stated channels may have been changed to another channels (just like scv channels) because of technical limitation - if this is the case then there may be no reception.

The matv in my condo caters to the 3 channels stated above plus tv3 (chan 26). I could received T test transmission on chan 29 previously. I am confident that my condo can receive all the new 3 channels (yet to be verified).

Windowlover 30-11-2013 12:14 PM

Anyone try roof top antena can receive digital signal with T2 TV tuner ? :s22:

stamina 30-11-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Windowlover (Post 81558274)
Anyone try roof top antena can receive digital signal with T2 TV tuner ? :s22:

i just tried on the rooftop antenna. Yes. It works at my mums old flat. Can see the HD already. Also detected others like starworld, geographic, etc.. but blank! what happen for those new flats like mine without rooftop antenna but with just scv wall cables?

mrsun18 30-11-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81558780)
i just tried on the rooftop antenna. Yes. It works at my mums old flat. Can see the HD already. Also detected others like starworld, geographic, etc.. but blank! what happen for those new flats like mine without rooftop antenna but with just scv wall cables?

Haha, old is good, new is bad.

stamina 30-11-2013 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsun18 (Post 81558844)
Haha, old is good, new is bad.

Thats what i just dont understand.In general,all flats, new and old,have scv cable wall sockets readily installed in living room,and the new flats, in bedrooms as well. Why cant MDA then just turn the scv wall cable channels to HD? Isnt that better so that theres no need for new flat owners(with no rooftop antennas) to buy additional antenna to receive DVB T2?

mrsun18 30-11-2013 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by congster2 (Post 81555632)
... When i tap it onto a fan metal grill... I might just get an indoor antenna. Maybe a none powered one if such exists.

Avoid using the fan metal grille, or for that matter, any electrical parts of electrical appliances. If the appliance turns faulty, the metal part may become live.

And yes, indoor antennae are available. There will be a rush for them now.

stamina 30-11-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ykgoh (Post 81555420)
Just curious. Currently if using an indoor antenna for DVB-T2, is it guaranteed to produce crystal clear images? Or still a largely hit-and-miss affair depending on location, antenna orientation, antenna quality, and some other factors?

I still remember bad old days of analog indoor antennas giving fuzzy and grainy images. :( For digital signal, I believe it's is either we get a perfect image on the screen or nothing at all?

i tried. Its HD clear. My dvb t2 tv detects both the grainy rooftop old channels between presets 1 to 10, and the Digital T2 channel presets from 800 to 900.

stamina 30-11-2013 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cheong79 (Post 81559359)
I go buy sony bravia W series now.

buy lg lah for cleaner interface and value. Ips panel also good. Sony, expensive but just a little better in picture quality.

mrsun18 30-11-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81558986)
Thats what i just dont understand.In general,all flats, new and old,have scv cable wall sockets readily installed in living room,and the new flats, in bedrooms as well. Why cant MDA then just turn the scv wall cable channels to HD? Isnt that better so that theres no need for new flat owners(with no rooftop antennas) to buy additional antenna to receive DVB T2?

I have my $2 but won't put it here...there is no value add..I would suggest such idea or discussion is best done elsewhere in more appropriate forums:s22:.

congster2 30-11-2013 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81559415)
buy lg lah for cleaner interface and value. Ips panel also good. Sony, expensive but just a little better in picture quality.

folks i really think he is an LG promoter. better take what he says with a lot of salt.

congster2 30-11-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsun18 (Post 81559053)
Avoid using the fan metal grille, or for that matter, any electrical parts of electrical appliances. If the appliance turns faulty, the metal part may become live.

And yes, indoor antennae are available. There will be a rush for them now.

quite tempted to quickly get one to try. but then i suppose starhub would eventually have to carry it on its cable. subscribing to scv now so perhaps i dont really need it. itchy backside lah.

stamina 30-11-2013 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by congster2 (Post 81560488)
folks i really think he is an LG promoter. better take what he says with a lot of salt.

You r not right. Im not.

cheong79 30-11-2013 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81559415)
buy lg lah for cleaner interface and value. Ips panel also good. Sony, expensive but just a little better in picture quality.

Believe sony one oso IPS cos viewing angle is 178*

non ips screen is 176*

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps245df6f1.png

congster2 30-11-2013 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cheong79 (Post 81566748)
Believe sony one oso IPS cos viewing angle is 178*

non ips screen is 176*

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps245df6f1.png

Wrong. Sony's panels are likely to be either s-PVA, or if you believe some sites, another tech called PSA (haven't found out what that stands for).

The data you quoted above is just normal manufacturing stats. All panels are ard that range (176-178).

What people really look out for is the angle off centre at which contrast/brightness drop by half. That is another measurement not provided by manufacturers but if you read some review websites like hdtvtest.uk, you can get the data. And that is where ips differentiates itself from PVA. That said, ips has poorer black levels. Today, subject to viewing angle needs, PVA panels tend to offer better performance due to the contrast levels.

fengmins 30-11-2013 09:15 PM

Hello, anyone knows what if we continue using DVB-T (i.e. old tuners) will there still be any cutoff date for that ? Or all must change to using DVB-T2 ?


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