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petetherock 30-11-2013 09:17 PM

I have updated the second post with the channels active now..

congster2 30-11-2013 09:23 PM

Used the most primitive method:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...ds/image-9.jpg

HD8:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...s/image-10.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...ds/image-8.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...ds/image-7.jpg

So far just looks like upscaled stuff, not too different from the upscaled (1080i) version of the normal SD channel via scv.

cheong79 30-11-2013 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by congster2 (Post 81569174)
Wrong. Sony's panels are likely to be either s-PVA, or if you believe some sites, another tech called PSA (haven't found out what that stands for).

The data you quoted above is just normal manufacturing stats. All panels are ard that range (176-178).

What people really look out for is the angle off centre at which contrast/brightness drop by half. That is another measurement not provided by manufacturers but if you read some review websites like hdtvtest.uk, you can get the data. And that is where ips differentiates itself from PVA. That said, ips has poorer black levels. Today, subject to viewing angle needs, PVA panels tend to offer better performance due to the contrast levels.

Thanks for the info, brother.

congster2 30-11-2013 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheong79 (Post 81570473)
Thanks for the info, brother.

No problem. I read quite a bit about sony, particularly the w90 series before I bought it. See this: Sony Bravia KDL-55W905A: Review

They talked about the PSA panel manufactured by samsung.

stamina 30-11-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81558986)
Thats what i just dont understand.In general,all flats, new and old,have scv cable wall sockets readily installed in living room,and the new flats, in bedrooms as well. Why cant MDA then just turn the scv wall cable channels to HD? Isnt that better so that theres no need for new flat owners(with no rooftop antennas) to buy additional antenna to receive DVB T2?

can anyone comment on this?

Kiwi8 30-11-2013 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81571538)
can anyone comment on this?

So easy. They want every household to subscribe to at least the basic set top boxes from either StarHub or SingTel MIO lor.

stamina 30-11-2013 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81571719)
So easy. They want every household to subscribe to at least the basic set top boxes from either StarHub or SingTel MIO lor.

no lah.if like that, why waste on making the T2 infrastructure when people jumship to set top boxes for HD.

Kiwi8 30-11-2013 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81571771)
no lah.if like that, why waste on making the T2 infrastructure when people jumship to set top boxes for HD.

They can't do it too obviously mah. ;)

mrsun18 30-11-2013 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fengmins (Post 81569608)
Hello, anyone knows what if we continue using DVB-T (i.e. old tuners) will there still be any cutoff date for that ? Or all must change to using DVB-T2 ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by congster2 (Post 81560536)
quite tempted to quickly get one to try. but then i suppose starhub would eventually have to carry it on its cable. subscribing to scv now so perhaps i dont really need it. itchy backside lah.

The answer is found in the link in post #16 of this thread.

chuppachop 01-12-2013 10:00 AM

The current test signals are only available from 7pm to 11pm daily.he timings of the test signals were as of the reply given last week.....they may have expanded to full day.

Here is my post, posted on another thread:
I checked with MDA.....officially the T2 signals starts mid this month. As for carriage on both ST n SH, the person mentioned at a later date as they (ST n SH) need to test out the chs on their systems.

The current test signals are only available from 7pm to 11pm daily.

Kiwi8 01-12-2013 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuppachop (Post 81578993)
The current test signals are only available from 7pm to 11pm daily.he timings of the test signals were as of the reply given last week.....they may have expanded to full day.

Here is my post, posted on another thread:
I checked with MDA.....officially the T2 signals starts mid this month. As for carriage on both ST n SH, the person mentioned at a later date as they (ST n SH) need to test out the chs on their systems.

The current test signals are only available from 7pm to 11pm daily.

I see.... thanks for the update. :o

Windowlover 01-12-2013 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuppachop (Post 81578993)
The current test signals are only available from 7pm to 11pm daily.he timings of the test signals were as of the reply given last week.....they may have expanded to full day.

Here is my post, posted on another thread:
I checked with MDA.....officially the T2 signals starts mid this month. As for carriage on both ST n SH, the person mentioned at a later date as they (ST n SH) need to test out the chs on their systems.

The current test signals are only available from 7pm to 11pm daily.

Roof top antenna ca get this digital signal or still need to register for setup box with ST n SH ? I have DVT-T2 but cannot get this signal from HDB ( Northern ) or should try again during 1900 ~ 2200 hrs ?

stamina 01-12-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuppachop (Post 81578993)
The current test signals are only available from 7pm to 11pm daily.he timings of the test signals were as of the reply given last week.....they may have expanded to full day.

Here is my post, posted on another thread:
I checked with MDA.....officially the T2 signals starts mid this month. As for carriage on both ST n SH, the person mentioned at a later date as they (ST n SH) need to test out the chs on their systems.

The current test signals are only available from 7pm to 11pm daily.

ST and SH? Singtel and Starhub? How are they related to T2?

Kiwi8 01-12-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windowlover (Post 81579477)
Roof top antenna ca get this digital signal or still need to register for setup box with ST n SH ? I have DVT-T2 but cannot get this signal from HDB ( Northern ) or should try again during 1900 ~ 2200 hrs ?

Since the signals are only turned on from 1900 to 2300 u should try during that time.

Kiwi8 01-12-2013 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81579487)
ST and SH? Singtel and Starhub? How are they related to T2?

Technically not related, but from a layman's perspective like me, the query probably means whether the CH 8 HD, Suria HD, Vasantham HD will be carried by the paid tv service providers subscribers ST and SH.

congster2 01-12-2013 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81579818)
Since the signals are only turned on from 1900 to 2300 u should try during that time.

They are fully live. I still have hd8 etc now.

Kiwi8 01-12-2013 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by congster2 (Post 81580810)
They are fully live. I still have hd8 etc now.

I see... thanks. :o

mrsun18 01-12-2013 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 81581725)
I see... thanks. :o

Any happy ending to your t2 tuning woe?

Kiwi8 01-12-2013 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsun18 (Post 81581881)
Any happy ending to your t2 tuning woe?

Haven't tried yet... will do so soon. :o

SilveR1_09 01-12-2013 03:44 PM

Happy ending, hahaha!
If they have turned on the repeater/relay signals, maybe u have better luck. Hopefully.

AnDyLe0 01-12-2013 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ykgoh (Post 81555420)
I still remember bad old days of analog indoor antennas giving fuzzy and grainy images. :( For digital signal, I believe it's is either we get a perfect image on the screen or nothing at all?

i think should be whether it's pixellated or not pixellated.
for my dvb-t reception, Digital 8 and others all very pixellated as the signal quality is only 30-80% fluctuating.
compare to my hubstation hd reception, all mediacorp channels ch8,u,cna,etc. (upscaled to 1080i) and HD5 are very clear without any pixellation.

seems like the ch 8(HD) test is just an upscale almost the same as what we are watching on hubstation hd.

AnDyLe0 01-12-2013 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stamina (Post 81579487)
ST and SH? Singtel and Starhub? How are they related to T2?

not related to dvb-t2 but related to HD.
all mediacorp HD channels should be available on pay-tv.
eg. starhub ch102 is 5(SD), ch155 is HD5.

mrsun18 01-12-2013 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ykgoh (Post 81555420)
...

I still remember bad old days of analog indoor antennas giving fuzzy and grainy images. :( For digital signal, I believe it's is either we get a perfect image on the screen or nothing at all?

That is called the cliff effect as shown in the picture below:
http://images.dipol.com.pl//images/info/schemat_01.gif
At the cliff the pic is pixellated. If the signal is slightly better, you have perfect pic. At the other side, if the signal is slight weaker, you have nothing.

A layman explanation is here:
Cliff effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the technically minded, read this:
Measurements and amplification of DTT (DVB-T) signals

oselgan 01-12-2013 05:29 PM

No successful scan for any HD mediacorp channel
 
Hi folks,
In Sengkang, I have been trying to auto-scan for HD mediacorp channels using my new Samsung series 7 LED TV which has the built-in DVB-T2 tuner. The indoor antenna is a cheap one bought from the neighbourhood hardware shop - think it is a passive one, doesn't seem to have any active PCB circuitry for signal boosting. Worst of all, I can't even get any good quality for the existing analogue SD mediacorp channels.

Could the problem related to my cheapo indoor antenna? Any proven indoor antenna to to recommend if it is really the indoor antenna issue? Thanks.

chuppachop 01-12-2013 06:26 PM

Was tied up...thanks to those who answered the questions on my behalf. :-)

MDA requires the SingTel mio TV and Starhub to carry the MediaCorp HD Chs.....hence their testing.

Thanks.

mrsun18 01-12-2013 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oselgan (Post 81588941)
Hi folks,
In Sengkang, I have been trying to auto-scan for HD mediacorp channels using my new Samsung series 7 LED TV which has the built-in DVB-T2 tuner. The indoor antenna is a cheap one bought from the neighbourhood hardware shop - think it is a passive one, doesn't seem to have any active PCB circuitry for signal boosting. Worst of all, I can't even get any good quality for the existing analogue SD mediacorp channels.

Could the problem related to my cheapo indoor antenna? Any proven indoor antenna to to recommend if it is really the indoor antenna issue? Thanks.

Is there any roof top antennae in your block. Did you plug in to the wall outlet socket? You won't get good analogue reception from indoor antenna.

whiteflag 01-12-2013 08:01 PM

i am getting a new tv. is there anything i should take note of to make sure the tv i get can use this technology next time

petetherock 01-12-2013 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteflag (Post 81592405)
i am getting a new tv. is there anything i should take note of to make sure the tv i get can use this technology next time

Try reading through this thread. Lots of useful info already posted that will help.

Cheers

mrsun18 01-12-2013 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuppachop (Post 81590113)
Was tied up...thanks to those who answered the questions on my behalf. :-)

MDA requires the SingTel mio TV and Starhub to carry the MediaCorp HD Chs.....hence their testing.

Thanks.

That's the spirit of sharing info and knowledge.

oric1 01-12-2013 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petetherock (Post 74993721)
UHF27 - 522MHz

Channel U(SD) - live
Channel News Asia (SD) - live
okto (SD) - live


UHF29 - 538MHz

Suria (HD) - live
Channel 5 (HD) - live


UHF31 - 554MHz

Channel 8 (HD) - live

I connected my Samsung Series 7 LED TV which support both DVB-T2 / C DTV Tuner to the SCV cable wall socket. My HDB block is relatively new (built 23 years ago).

When I did a scan for digital signal, it only show KHz, how come no MHz.

Pardon me, I'm a total noob in such technology. Thanks!

morgankell 01-12-2013 10:03 PM

sigh... any bros cant receive the dvb t2 signal? lol my pctv nanostick t2 is still receiving the old dvb channels at potong pasir via condo antennae

congster2 01-12-2013 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oric1 (Post 81594941)
I connected my Samsung Series 7 LED TV which support both DVB-T2 / C DTV Tuner to the SCV cable wall socket. My HDB block is relatively new (built 23 years ago).

When I did a scan for digital signal, it only show KHz, how come no MHz.

Pardon me, I'm a total noob in such technology. Thanks!

The scv socket doesn't carry the appropriate signal. You will need to connect your tv directly to an antenna. I DIYed one by simply connecting the wire (the copper wire sticking out of the cable) to a thin metal rod.

mrsun18 02-12-2013 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oric1 (Post 81594941)
I connected my Samsung Series 7 LED TV which support both DVB-T2 / C DTV Tuner to the SCV cable wall socket. My HDB block is relatively new (built 23 years ago).

When I did a scan for digital signal, it only show KHz, how come no MHz.

Pardon me, I'm a total noob in such technology. Thanks!

1 Mhz = 1000KHz. For example Chan 38 is 607MHz = 607000KHz. This is what you should see on your tv.You won't see this chan through starhub, though.

To verify what I said, do a manual scan for analogue for chan 5 and you should see 175000KHz which is 175MHz.

The other part of your unsaid question has been answer by congster2.

Edit: You should still be able to receive HD5 on scv point since you have dvb-c. This has been explained by Kiwi8.

mrsun18 02-12-2013 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morgankell (Post 81596345)
sigh... any bros cant receive the dvb t2 signal? lol my pctv nanostick t2 is still receiving the old dvb channels at potong pasir via condo antennae

Yours is T2? Were you able to receive chan 29 (dig5, dig 8 and dig CNA) when it was used for dvb - t?

It looks like you have confirmed what I have been saying all along - Not all DVB -T2 are the same. :s13::s13:

Any one who has a success story? I would like to hear it. There were posts before but it was not clear whether they were using t2 usb or t2 set top box.

andmic04 02-12-2013 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsun18 (Post 81605266)
Yours is T2? Were you able to receive chan 29 (dig5, dig 8 and dig CNA) when it was used for dvb - t?

It looks like you have confirmed what I have been saying all along - Not all DVB -T2 are the same. :s13::s13:

Any one who has a success story? I would like to hear it. There were posts before but it was not clear whether they were using t2 usb or t2 set top box.

I am one of those using t2 set top box which could not received any DVB-T2 signal at all but achieve 100% signal strength on the current DVB-T.
Not sure if it because of the box or the area issue. btw, I reside in sembawang area.

mrsun18 02-12-2013 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andmic04 (Post 81607258)
I am one of those using t2 set top box which could not received any DVB-T2 signal at all but achieve 100% signal strength on the current DVB-T.
Not sure if it because of the box or the area issue. btw, I reside in sembawang area.

100% signal strength for dvb-t as seen from your tv set or from the set top box?

Uraku Asia 02-12-2013 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andmic04 (Post 81607258)
I am one of those using t2 set top box which could not received any DVB-T2 signal at all but achieve 100% signal strength on the current DVB-T.
Not sure if it because of the box or the area issue. btw, I reside in sembawang area.


I suspect your DVB-T2 Set top box is older version ( v.1.1.1 or v.1.2.1). To receive local DVB-T2 channels, your DVB-T2 set top box must support v.1.3.1 .

Previously i bought one DVB-T2 V1.2.1, now it can't receive any DVB-T2 Channel. Recently i get a new DVB-T2 v1.3.1 SetTopBox (designed by local company),i can receive all the DVB-T2 & T channels in my reside area (Jurong East) via indoor antenna(No power required).

Be careful, when you buy a DVB-T2 receiver online.

morgankell 02-12-2013 12:42 PM

well bros, i can receive dvb t perfectly well (the original ch 5hd, ch5 sd, ch 8 and cna).. cant catch any dvb t2 signals; i dont know if its related to the area signal not being activated (i.e. potong pasir has no dvb t2) or my usb stick just cannot make it...

its a haupaugge pctv nanostick t2 (which is sold locally)
Hauppauge Computer Works
anyone has it?

mrsun18 02-12-2013 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uraku Asia (Post 81608689)
I suspect your DVB-T2 Set top box is older version ( v.1.1.1 or v.1.2.1). To receive local DVB-T2 channels, your DVB-T2 set top box must support v.1.3.1 .

Previously i bought one DVB-T2 V1.2.1, now it can't receive any DVB-T2 Channel. Recently i get a new DVB-T2 v1.3.1 SetTopBox (designed by local company),i can receive all the DVB-T2 & T channels in my reside area (Jurong East) via indoor antenna(No power required).

Be careful, when you buy a DVB-T2 receiver online.

Hear, hear...

mrsun18 02-12-2013 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morgankell (Post 81609305)
well bros, i can receive dvb t perfectly well (the original ch 5hd, ch5 sd, ch 8 and cna).. cant catch any dvb t2 signals; i dont know if its related to the area signal not being activated (i.e. potong pasir has no dvb t2) or my usb stick just cannot make it...

its a haupaugge pctv nanostick t2 (which is sold locally)
Hauppauge Computer Works
anyone has it?

Uraku Asia has given the explanation. Freeview HD is diffrent from our sg standard.

cheong79 02-12-2013 01:24 PM

I just bought a DVB-T2 TV for these launching of digital broadcasting event. But my new bravia 32W674A couldn't receive any sh!t of the channel.

I stay in tampines old estate flat 5th floor. No wall old antenna to try as it has been removed.

Soul77 02-12-2013 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uraku Asia (Post 81608689)
I suspect your DVB-T2 Set top box is older version ( v.1.1.1 or v.1.2.1). To receive local DVB-T2 channels, your DVB-T2 set top box must support v.1.3.1 .

Previously i bought one DVB-T2 V1.2.1, now it can't receive any DVB-T2 Channel. Recently i get a new DVB-T2 v1.3.1 SetTopBox (designed by local company),i can receive all the DVB-T2 & T channels in my reside area (Jurong East) via indoor antenna(No power required).

Be careful, when you buy a DVB-T2 receiver online.

How do you know your dvb-t2 is v1.2.1 or 1.3.1? Does it means all those existing ebay/aliexpress dvb-t2 not compatible with Singapore standard?

AnDyLe0 02-12-2013 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsun18 (Post 81609626)
Uraku Asia has given the explanation. Freeview HD is diffrent from our sg standard.

so confirm pctv nanostick t2 is not compatible?
wah... that day i nearly wan to buy one... luckily didn't.
but if sg dvb-t2 is not compatible with other countries' then that's really bad... at least should support basic features of other dvb-t2 system.
btw... can be due to coverage too... read from some site that the rollout is not full coverage.

Kiwi8 02-12-2013 02:46 PM

Ok that's it! I'm gonna send an email directly to dvb.org to ask them about the DVB-T2 standards. :o

Uraku Asia 02-12-2013 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul77 (Post 81610760)
How do you know your dvb-t2 is v1.2.1 or 1.3.1? Does it means all those existing ebay/aliexpress dvb-t2 not compatible with Singapore standard?


I just check for the demodulator or refer to your DVB-T2 set top box manufacturer.

For existing ebay/aliexpress DVB-T2, I am not so sure. You may have to find out more detail from seller/manufacturer.

Soul77 02-12-2013 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uraku Asia (Post 81612923)
I just check for the demodulator or refer to your DVB-T2 set top box manufacturer.

For existing ebay/aliexpress DVB-T2, I am not so sure. You may have to find out more detail from seller/manufacturer.

I see... then history repeat again. Always implement the newest... Like last time when implementing DVB-T, use h.264 when everybody else still using mpeg2

oselgan 02-12-2013 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsun18 (Post 81591986)
Is there any roof top antennae in your block. Did you plug in to the wall outlet socket? You won't get good analogue reception from indoor antenna.

There is no rooftop antenna in my unit. I have managed to scan successfully for SD mediacorp channels, but not HD mediacorp channels (think starhub has not yet relay the HD signal via their SCV wall outlet) via the SCV antenna wall outlet using my Samsung series 7 LED TV.
I need to know for the issue of being not able to tune in the HD & SD channels using my DVB-T2 TV and my cheapo indoor antenna. How to know if it is the antenna related issue? I would not guess it is the built-in DVB-T2 tuner issue as my TV is the new 2013 model from Samsung. Anyone has a better indoor antenna to recommend sure work? My cheapo indoor antenna is a passive one - meaning juz coaxial cable connected to the metal frame type bought from the neighbourhood HW shop.

NY__chickenpie 02-12-2013 05:28 PM

U have to get a dvb antenna, or DIY urself. Not very difficult, need some wires and connectors.

SilveR1_09 02-12-2013 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oselgan (Post 81614626)
There is no rooftop antenna in my unit. I have managed to scan successfully for SD mediacorp channels, but not HD mediacorp channels (think starhub has not yet rely the HD signal via their SCV wall outlet) via the SCV antenna wall outlet using my Samsung series 7 LED TV.

The SCV wall socket carries 2 types of signals as it is now.
  • Analog signal: Relay MediaCorp's FTA channels, RTM TV1 & SuperSport Arena
    - Viewable with TVs that has analog tuner
  • Digital DVB-C signal: Digital channels for StarHub Cable TV
    - Unencrypted: MediaCorp's 7 FTA channels + HD5 (viewable with TVs that has a DVB-C tuner)
    - Encrypted: StarHub's Pay TV channels (viewable with StarHub's DVB-C set top box)

StarHub's only having HD5 broadcasting in HD for the 7 FTA channels thru their DVB-C signals. An earlier post, there's mention of MDA noting that carriage for StarHub & SingTel at a later date as it needs to be tested. I assume this is for SH & ST carrying Channel 8, Suria & Vasa in HD as well on their system.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oselgan (Post 81614626)
I need to know for the issue of being not able to tune in the HD & SD channels using my DVB-T2 TV and my cheapo indoor antenna. How to know if it is the antenna related issue? I would not guess it is the built-in DVB-T2 tuner issue as my TV is the new 2013 model from Samsung. Anyone has a better indoor antenna to recommend sure work? My cheapo indoor antenna is a passive one - meaning juz coaxial cable connected to the metal frame type bought from the neighbourhood HW shop.

It's tough to recommend and say it will ''sure work''. Depends on lots of factors such as your floor height. Whether the signals are present in your house at an acceptable threshold. I do know Sengkang is 1 of the repeater sites for DVB-T2. But I do not know the exact location of the repeater.

chakuman 02-12-2013 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by congster2 (Post 81569762)
Used the most primitive method:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...ds/image-9.jpg

HD8:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...s/image-10.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...ds/image-8.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j6...ds/image-7.jpg

So far just looks like upscaled stuff, not too different from the upscaled (1080i) version of the normal SD channel via scv.

Can tell this is upscaled. Was waiting for them because they said the MediaCorp HD channels will be ready by Dec 2013... And we are now at Dec 2013.


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