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petetherock 26-03-2013 10:07 AM

Singapore Digital TV discussion thread - all related talk, please post here
 
DVB - Digital Video Broadcasting - Singapore

http://www.ida.gov.sg/~/media/Files/...DA_TS_DVBT.pdf

Singapore DVB-T2 plans move ahead
Singapore’s Media Development Authority has announced that all free-to-air terrestrial TV channels will go fully digital by the end of 2013 using the DVB-T2 standard. With Singapore’s migration to digital TV, free-to-air broadcaster MediaCorp will transmit all its seven FTA channels digitally by end 2013.
Channels 5, 8, Suria and Vasantham will be available in HD by end 2013. The remaining three channels – okto, Channel U and Channel NewsAsia will first be broadcast in SDS from end 2013, before being broadcast in HD in 2016.
2 July 2012
Source: Broadband TV News

DVB-T2 trial in September

Singapore will be embarking on a nationwide trial for the Digital Video Broadcasting - Second-Generation Terrestrial (DVB-T2) standard for Digital Terrestrial Television.
The trial was announced by Dr Yaacob Ibrahim, Singapore's Minister for Information, Communications and the Arts, during his opening address at Broadcast Asia 2011.
The Media Development Authority of Singapore (MDA) is putting in place a trial network by September this year to determine how DVB-T2 can be adopted.
Dr Yaacob also announced that consumers in Singapore and overseas will be able to freely access MediaCorp's seven free-to-air channels on the Internet within the next year.
Singapore TV is on schedule to go fully digital, in line with ASEAN's aim to switch off analogue transmission between 2015 and 2020.
Main source: Asia Pacific Broadcasting Union
Item added: 27th June 2011



DVB-T2 service for Singapore

The Media Development Authority of Singapore (MDA) has selected Media Broadcast, a company of the TDF Group, to conduct a technical trial which will be used to prepare for a free-to-air DTT service using the DVB-T2 standard in Singapore.
Media Broadcast will provide technical consultancy to design and manage the technical trial for deriving the suitable DVB-T2 transmission modes and technical parameters.
The trial will begin in August with the co-operation of Local Broadcasters. Both the quality of in house and mobile reception will be tested.
Source: Broadband TV News
Item added: 20th June 2011

petetherock 26-03-2013 10:08 AM

UHF27 - 522MHz

Channel U(SD) - live
Channel News Asia (SD) - live
okto (SD) - live


UHF29 - 538MHz

Suria (HD) - live
Channel 5 (HD) - live


UHF31 - 554MHz

Channel 8 (HD) - live
Vasantham (HD) - live

petetherock 26-03-2013 10:10 AM

DVB-T2 Receiver Specification

If you have bought a recent TV, don't fret, just use it!
There will be set top box solutions etc.

As for new TVs, if you can hold off, let the prices stabilise, and see what is really compatible before you jump in.

tuckloong 26-03-2013 10:24 AM

hope the settop boxes pricing will drop to $60 plus soon :)

Hisashiburi 26-03-2013 10:45 AM

If we subscribe to singtel or starhub cable tv, do we still need a dvb-t2 receiver?

Thanks

Elvis_j_s 26-03-2013 11:32 AM

I think those tv without DVB-t2 will getting cheaper.

petetherock 26-03-2013 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvis_j_s (Post 74995831)
I think those tv without DVB-t2 will getting cheaper.

IMO, only for the basic models, and the run out ones.

mrsun18 26-03-2013 12:55 PM

On the ball la...Thanks to our moderator for the timely update.

kheng86 26-03-2013 01:31 PM

what is the price of the tv box now?

Kiwi8 26-03-2013 01:55 PM

Bookmarked.

Anyway, those of u who are into TV tuner card solutions (either for recording or watching TV on a computer) can consider the following cards:

BGT3620 by BlackGold
TBS6280 by TBS

Reppps 26-03-2013 05:41 PM

HD finally. :s22::s22:

Windowlover 26-03-2013 08:00 PM

Current TV maker have DVB-T2 standard ? Which model ? This information is good as I'm planning to get one for replacement. :s13::s13::s13:

tuckloong 26-03-2013 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windowlover (Post 75007396)
Current TV maker have DVB-T2 standard ? Which model ? This information is good as I'm planning to get one for replacement. :s13::s13::s13:

ya can beo beo buy next year le? hope to see 4k ones with dvb t2 incorporated also?

touchme 26-03-2013 10:39 PM

Seems very fickle, not long ago, terminated dvb-t, citing no commercial demand/apllications, now revive with T2.

XiaoMan 26-03-2013 10:46 PM

2 things that make me wonder

1) Did the authorities spoke to all major manufacturers if there is a possibility of replacing exisitng TV tuner cards instead of buying the box which consumed electricity and supposingly requires a seperate remote control?

2) Did they spoke to or 'force' Starhub to allow us to receive digital channels through their points instead of purchasing a seperate antenna which again consumed electricity? My flat has rooftop antenna but unable to receive. I called HDB to repair and they simply reject my request, forcing me to make my own antenna.

Kiwi8 26-03-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XiaoMan (Post 75011294)
2 things that make me wonder

1) Did the authorities spoke to all major manufacturers if there is a possibility of replacing exisitng TV tuner cards instead of buying the box which consumed electricity and supposingly requires a seperate remote control?

2) Did they spoke to or 'force' Starhub to allow us to receive digital channels through their points instead of purchasing a seperate antenna which again consumed electricity? My flat has rooftop antenna but unable to receive. I called HDB to repair and they simply reject my request, forcing me to make my own antenna.

According to the info here:
MediaCorp : MediaCorp goes fully digital in 2013

MediaCorp will be doing the exact same thing as it did for DVB-T. That is, the signals will not be passing through StarHub antenna point if one isn't a StarHub customer. Sucks I know.

sunsetbay 26-03-2013 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windowlover (Post 75007396)
Current TV maker have DVB-T2 standard ? Which model ? This information is good as I'm planning to get one for replacement. :s13::s13::s13:

euro models many hv DVB-T2 & C built-in to their TVs already~ some even hv DVB-S~ just browse uk webs, low end philips 4000 series, LG LS570T also hv DVB-T2/C~

i guess local vendors will clear off old stock before getting in dvb-t2 models~ :s22:

KardBoard 26-03-2013 11:13 PM

seem like they want u to die die subscribe/buy setup box.some more change the technology from dvb-t to dvb-t2.a bit weird you make trial on September but wanna roll over on DEC.how to know good or not?IMO,currently most lcd/led tv with dvb-t will not be able to watch due to new technology implemented.
hai ya,do thing never think.
1 more thing for those using antenna,are they able to get to those channel?if not, having setup box will bring your electricity and the subscription ===$$$$$$

touchme 27-03-2013 04:08 AM

In the end, buy dumb tv best, the smartness and compatibility in tv cannot change, plus it is jot worth the premium. but you can keep upgrading the external smartboxes. At most, use a programmable remote.

sunsetbay 27-03-2013 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XiaoMan (Post 75011294)
2 things that make me wonder

1) Did the authorities spoke to all major manufacturers if there is a possibility of replacing exisitng TV tuner cards instead of buying the box which consumed electricity and supposingly requires a seperate remote control?

2) Did they spoke to or 'force' Starhub to allow us to receive digital channels through their points instead of purchasing a seperate antenna which again consumed electricity? My flat has rooftop antenna but unable to receive. I called HDB to repair and they simply reject my request, forcing me to make my own antenna.

1. i doubt manufacturers will wanna do that~ too much man power & logistic required. Warranty is also a issue.

2. starhub already transmit digital signals in DVB-C long ago~ so far i only know for local tv sets, philips tv is able to recv DVB-C w/o STB, user can recv mediacorp channels in digital but not HD5 as it's encrypted~

Jackygogogo 27-03-2013 02:26 PM

Only HD5 look nice and clean in big screen tv, the rest of digital look horrible at times especially river and forest scenes.

tuckloong 27-03-2013 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunsetbay (Post 75023345)
1. i doubt manufacturers will wanna do that~ too much man power & logistic required. Warranty is also a issue.

2. starhub already transmit digital signals in DVB-C long ago~ so far i only know for local tv sets, philips tv is able to recv DVB-C w/o STB, user can recv mediacorp channels in digital but not HD5 as it's encrypted~

wah never know...no wonder I realised one of my TV ish esp clear and almost HD like as compared to others connected to Starhub point without HD set up box....

Kiwi8 27-03-2013 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuckloong (Post 75029074)
wah never know...no wonder I realised one of my TV ish esp clear and almost HD like as compared to others connected to Starhub point without HD set up box....

Your TV has DVB-C tuner?

ceecookie 27-03-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hisashiburi (Post 74994633)
If we subscribe to singtel or starhub cable tv, do we still need a dvb-t2 receiver?

Thanks

No. Cable TV is already digital. No action required if you own a SCV or MioTV STB.

This move is also a good opportunity for people to jump to cable TV and watch better quality shows :D

tuckloong 27-03-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi8 (Post 75029162)
Your TV has DVB-C tuner?

Must go check check since got bro mention some units in Singapore have de....esp Philips de

tuckloong 27-03-2013 05:48 PM

Ish this one de:

Philips - 4000 series Smart LED TV 107cm (42") Full HD 1080p DVB-T/C - 42PFL4007H/12 - 4000 series - Sound and vision

Just Me 27-03-2013 05:48 PM

With the crap content mediacrap has to offer.. I don't really give two hoots whether it goes digital or HD :D

mrsun18 27-03-2013 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XiaoMan (Post 75011294)
2 things that make me wonder

1) Did the authorities spoke to all major manufacturers if there is a possibility of replacing exisitng TV tuner cards instead of buying the box which consumed electricity and supposingly requires a seperate remote control?

The major tv makers were all represented in the technical committee during the formulation of the standard for the dvb-t2 integrated receiver (aka tuner or set-top box).They were all aware of the business opportunities. As to whether they are doing it, it's a matter of business decision. Sunsetbay has expressed his view. In my opinion, there is no money for them to make as product life cycle gets shorter and shorter.


Quote:

2) Did they spoke to or 'force' Starhub to allow us to receive digital channels through their points instead of purchasing a seperate antenna which again consumed electricity? My flat has rooftop antenna but unable to receive. I called HDB to repair and they simply reject my request, forcing me to make my own antenna.
More details on your hdb antennae please for my suggestion.

mrsun18 27-03-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KardBoard (Post 75012181)
seem like they want u to die die subscribe/buy setup box.some more change the technology from dvb-t to dvb-t2.a bit weird you make trial on September but wanna roll over on DEC.how to know good or not?IMO,currently most lcd/led tv with dvb-t will not be able to watch due to new technology implemented.
hai ya,do thing never think.

The trial was from Sep 2011.They have more than 2 years to fine tune. See:
Welcome to UBIFRANCE - The French Trade Commission in Singapore
Current tv sets available in Singapore are not dvb-t2 sg compliant.
Quote:

1 more thing for those using antenna,are they able to get to those channel?if not, having setup box will bring your electricity and the subscription ===$$$$$$
I wrote to MediaCorp in Jan this year to find out on which chan/frequency they will be trasmitting the new signals. They have yet to reply to me. Whether there is a need for additional antenna or modification is not known until the information is available. Regardless of the transmission, new tv set with dvb t2 standard or set top box will be required except for pay tv customers.

Qubicfactor 28-03-2013 12:25 AM

I think I should throw in my 2 cents worth to make it clearer. I wrote in a year ago but no reply. wrote in again a month ago and bingo a reply. You can clearly see where this whole thing is headed from the reply.

Quote:

Dear Sir

Thank you for your feedback.

MediaCorp has tested the DVB-T2 standard and the results show that households will be able to receive digital TV signals if they connect their existing TV to an indoor antenna and a set top box. The design of the antenna now comes in compact form such as a bar, frame or rod. Other countries such as Germany, Netherlands and USA also use indoor antennas for free-to-air (FTA) digital TV signals.

The current HDB rooftop master antennae (MATV) system was designed to receive analogue TV signals and will not able to receive digital FTA TV signals. There are no plans to upgrade the MATV system as there are other available means to receive the digital FTA channels.

This option of receiving digital FTA TV via the existing StarHub cable point involves delivery of services on a commercial infrastructure. Non-subscribers would have to connect digital cable STBs to their TVs and may incur service fees. The antenna solution enables consumers to receive digital FTA TV without the need to pay monthly charges. Starhub cable is not suitable as the long-term platform for non-subscribers to receive digital FTA.

We are mindful of the importance of free-to-air (FTA) TV to all households, and will carefully monitor the take-up rate of digital TV and ensure that as Singapore migrates to digital TV, households can continue to receive FTA TV signals. To ensure a smooth transition, MediaCorp will simultaneously broadcasting the existing analogue signals for their FTA channels for at least two years from the start of digital transmission in end-2013. This will give households time to get accustomed to receiving their TV signals digitally.



MDA will work closely with MediaCorp, as well as major manufacturers and retailers on an educational campaign to help consumers prepare for the digital switchover. MDA will also work closely with various stakeholders and grassroots organisations to determine various options for all segments of the public to seamlessly migrate to digital TV.



Please do not hesitate to contact me on 9728 9877 or email me at Zoey_MOH@mda.gov.sg should you require further assistance.



Thank you.





Yours sincerely;



Zoey Moh

Manager (Planning)

Digital Broadcasting Deployment Office Division



Media Development Authority

Note: Please do not change the subject header when you reply to this email. The subject header is used by MDA for filing of related correspondences with you.

tuckloong 28-03-2013 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qubicfactor (Post 75038762)
I think I should throw in my 2 cents worth to make it clearer. I wrote in a year ago but no reply. wrote in again a month ago and bingo a reply. You can clearly see where this whole thing is headed from the reply.

Wah like that really must have a scheme in place to lower the cost for the antenna and boxes liao

Soul77 28-03-2013 09:14 AM

Is the antenna for DVB-T and DVB-T2 different? because I can get existing HD5 from the HDB rooftoop antenna.

mrsun18 28-03-2013 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soul77 (Post 75041989)
Is the antenna for DVB-T and DVB-T2 different? because I can get existing HD5 from the HDB rooftoop antenna.

No difference. Over-the-air tv singals are tranmitted within the channels allocations in bands I/III VHF and bands IV/V UHF. HD5 is using chan 38. If the future dvb t2 programmes are transmited through chan 38, you will receive them provided you have the dvb t2 compliant tuner/set top box. Same applies to chan29 which is currently used to tranmit other MediaCorp dvb t programmes.

KardBoard 30-03-2013 07:17 PM

the problem is will they transmit thru out the island?not all area able to receive the channel thru the antenna when the dvb-t was in trial.

cscs3 31-03-2013 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KardBoard (Post 75099409)
the problem is will they transmit thru out the island?not all area able to receive the channel thru the antenna when the dvb-t was in trial.

That's my concern too. Still remember those digital TV in the bus? The reception is so poor and finally they are all gone. vs what you see in Hong Kong. They are doing it very well.

kakaBoBo 31-03-2013 11:41 AM

any usb tuner that support the dvb-t2 format ?
cheap and good one.

Kiwi8 31-03-2013 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kakaBoBo (Post 75114111)
any usb tuner that support the dvb-t2 format ?
cheap and good one.

Can try the following:
TBS5220 USB DVB T2/T Freeview HD TV Stick-Watch DVB T2/Freeview HD TV on Laptop/PC [TBS5220] - US$68.99 : BuyDVB Online Store

But do wait for their promotional discounts. There were discounts during the Halloween month and Christmas.

harky 31-03-2013 04:13 PM

than the record DVR how heheh

Kiwi8 31-03-2013 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harky (Post 75120443)
than the record DVR how heheh

It will come out in due time.

But in the meantime, can also set up a HTPC and install a DVB-T2 tuner card to record programmes to watch later.

harky 31-03-2013 10:13 PM

if use RCA cable is fine right??
i still using crt tv LOL... wont change until is spoilt.. HD use what cable ah

LobsterX 31-03-2013 10:43 PM

most newer TV have hdmi, composite/component connection. so I think should be okay bah.

sunsetbay 01-04-2013 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cscs3 (Post 75113161)
That's my concern too. Still remember those digital TV in the bus? The reception is so poor and finally they are all gone. vs what you see in Hong Kong. They are doing it very well.

tv mobile~? the reception was quite ok overall~ the initial phase was quite bad with squeak audio distortion~ they took down bcos mediacorp unable to sustain the operation cost with little ads income~

HK one, i thought it was played back thru media or disc player~?

taiwan would be a better eg, sat in their taxi and the cabby was using a GPS with built-in dvb-t~ he was scrolling the channels, many channels to select with no loss of signal~ :s22:

KardBoard 01-04-2013 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harky (Post 75129424)
if use RCA cable is fine right??
i still using crt tv LOL... wont change until is spoilt.. HD use what cable ah

CRT rocks.versatile.last long

harky 02-04-2013 01:29 AM

nt HD so not rock LOL :s22:

Quote:

Originally Posted by KardBoard (Post 75159628)
CRT rocks.versatile.last long


yxyxx8 05-04-2013 10:35 PM

got to use a T2 receiver. no channels yet. not even a trial signal detected. fall back to T had it scanned for the 4 digital channels though.

sunsetbay 07-04-2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yxyxx8 (Post 75262755)
got to use a T2 receiver. no channels yet. not even a trial signal detected. fall back to T had it scanned for the 4 digital channels though.

the trial probably ended~ i was able to detect T2 channel some mths back, they broadcasted a sitcom with HD5 logo also (not simulcast from existing HD5), that repeat every 10min over & over again~ :s22:

Maka85 08-04-2013 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kakaBoBo (Post 75114111)
any usb tuner that support the dvb-t2 format ?
cheap and good one.

my uncle got sell, u can check it out.
costs ard $200 with installation
the box also can record tv shows, boost antenna signal, no snowing.

Currently there are 3 channels available for HD, CH5, Ch8 and 1 more.. forgot which one.

(65) 9 Zero Zero 56 Zero 49 Look FOR PHILIP

mrsun18 08-04-2013 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sunsetbay (Post 75312039)
the trial probably ended~ i was able to detect T2 channel some mths back, they broadcasted a sitcom with HD5 logo also (not simulcast from existing HD5), that repeat every 10min over & over again~ :s22:

Interesting, are you able to tell which channel was it on?

sunsetbay 09-04-2013 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsun18 (Post 75324570)
Interesting, are you able to tell which channel was it on?

my tuner does not display the channel no. & freq~ It was grouped under "unknown", while the rest of the existing digital channels are grouped under "Mediacorp"~

NY__chickenpie 09-04-2013 10:07 AM

Is there any decoders for DVB-T2 available now?


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