HWZ Forums

Login Register FAQ Mark Forums Read

MoCA Network Setup

Like Tree10Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-03-2019, 06:24 PM   #196
Senior Member
 
JustDoLor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 796
Replace EOC with homeplug?
JustDoLor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2019, 09:12 AM   #197
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 11
JustDoLor ....I tried twice and gave up on homeplugs.

eric3743...sorry I dun hv enough posts to be able to add your quote. Yes, looks like mesh is the only other option unfortunately, since fibre tv needs a wired connection. Unless wife can do without packaged channels and I can use the EOC to carry broadband signals. A friend had Orbi and said its the best option for him although its too expensive for me. Maybe will consider Google wifi.
SLT246 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-03-2019, 11:41 AM   #198
Supremacy Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 6,105
JustDoLor ....I tried twice and gave up on homeplugs.

eric3743...sorry I dun hv enough posts to be able to add your quote. Yes, looks like mesh is the only other option unfortunately, since fibre tv needs a wired connection. Unless wife can do without packaged channels and I can use the EOC to carry broadband signals. A friend had Orbi and said its the best option for him although its too expensive for me. Maybe will consider Google wifi.
Don't worry as i will be able to see your posts.
This is due to your post count is less than 10 there will be some restrictions including unable to PM (send private message) and url-link.


Not sure if you had used other homeplug brand beside Sineoji.
From what i understand this Sineoji do not have any router product unlike TP-Link & D-Link are Routers manufacturer for years.
The other points on using homeplug would be based on your electrical circuitry and should be plug direct on the main wall power socket.


Google Wifi come package with Starhub.
Anyway you can try to purchase from Starhub at their package cost of $15 per 3 sets or $10 for 2 based on 24-months installment.
While other ISP do have their own Mesh package too.

Depend on your internet usage and if more on wireless signal then mesh would be much better.
For placement of mesh you can see how your friend do it.
Google Wifi do have good wireless coverage as most users comments.

For better understand can refer to > Google Wifi Help
If you require wired connectivity and since Google Wifi has only 2 lan port then you can consider to add a Switch with 5 ~ 8 lan ports as extension.

Occasionally there are sellers on marketplaces that sell Google Wifi slightly cheaper as they most likely purchase upon contract.
eric3743 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2019, 09:28 AM   #199
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 11
eric3743...thanks for your detailed reply. I also tried TPLink homeplugs and it also gave up on me. My house is more than 20yrs old so wire circuitry may be old too. Also where the homeplug was, the room is very hot during the day.

My wife watches tv upstairs so I need direct fibre connection to STB there. Other than that, its just simply wifi that everyone needs. In the past whenever signal drops, everyone switches to their data. Frankly no one cares about speed. I am the one who feel my 1GB broadband is wasted but I am working and typing this from overseas. With homeplug I get only ~200Mbps and now with wifi extenders, less than that but whole house is covered at least.

Another option is to get a third party tv box where I can get Netflix and any other overseas channels eg. HBO, Fox and I can free my EOC to bring my wireless router upstairs. Know any such tv box ?
SLT246 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2019, 12:08 PM   #200
Supremacy Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 6,105
eric3743...thanks for your detailed reply. I also tried TPLink homeplugs and it also gave up on me. My house is more than 20yrs old so wire circuitry may be old too. Also where the homeplug was, the room is very hot during the day.

My wife watches tv upstairs so I need direct fibre connection to STB there. Other than that, its just simply wifi that everyone needs. In the past whenever signal drops, everyone switches to their data. Frankly no one cares about speed. I am the one who feel my 1GB broadband is wasted but I am working and typing this from overseas. With homeplug I get only ~200Mbps and now with wifi extenders, less than that but whole house is covered at least.

Another option is to get a third party tv box where I can get Netflix and any other overseas channels eg. HBO, Fox and I can free my EOC to bring my wireless router upstairs. Know any such tv box ?
There are some tips on improving homeplug performance but not sure if related to your issues or not > Here! and > here!


So your only solution would be Mesh which is much better than wifi extenders in terms of speed and coverage.
Mesh would be similar to mobile data network where with a single SSID and auto-roaming would be possible.

Anyway Starhub new mobile plans do have big data &or unlimited data (this refer to VAS Data add-on +$20 for 50GB with worry-free data, beside the promotinal free unlimited weekend + 10GB).



There is this > Starhub Go Streaming Box as part of alternative to Starhub Fibre TV.
I am not in any Android box although i did consider Starhub Go Streaming box which is an Android TV box; prior my recontract to HomeHub package.

The Streaming box do have TV channels refer to > Listings of live channels
Note that the cost $199 is for standalone Box but it come with Free 6 months on Starhub Go Family $14.90 and > Go Select $9.90 which this effectively the box cost about $50, note that subscription would required to opt-out if not required.

Beside the Starhub Go there are others such as HBO, Fox+, etc.
For HBO is available in both > Starhub Go and Starhub TV subscription; and able to use > HBO Go Singapore App to watch & login via Hub ID.
Best to subscribe to HBO is via Starhub TV so that you can watch using Fibre TV STB.
While Fox+ is in Starhub Go and Fox movies pack in > TV channels but i am not sure if both are same or not, and pricing are different.

Although some apps may not be available in this Streaming box but it come with official Google Chromecast which there are plenty of > Chromecast Apps available.
Beside if you subscribe to Starhub TV then using Starhub Go app via Chromecast you still able to watch subscribed TV channels, since subscription to Starhub Go as VAS is $2 /month.


Well there are a lot of Android box and note that there is also Android TV box, an official for Android TV OS separate from Android OS.

There is an existing thread on Android TV box (including Android box) > Android TV Box
There is this member {gregory_choo} who is expert on Android box and do have create a facebook on this subject.
eric3743 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2019, 12:33 PM   #201
Senior Member
 
JustDoLor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 796
Homeplug can get -200Mbps, cannot run Fibre TV meh?
Anyhow here is Moca thread leh...

Upstair only got 1 TV point meh, other room don’t have? Plse study TS post #1, find the coax splitter before asking further. Thanks.

Last edited by JustDoLor; 08-03-2019 at 12:42 PM..
JustDoLor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2019, 12:50 PM   #202
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 11
JustDoLor ... thanks. You are right. I can use separate homeplugs just for fibre tv and leave the EOC to bring bb signals upstairs.

eric3743...man...appreciate your time to give me so many options. I'm glad I finally registered here. Kind of difficult to talk to anyone about these issues at home when I'm not physically there. I see lots going on at Forced from Cable to Fibre TV forum too....
SLT246 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 09:14 AM   #203
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 8
Hello everyone
I'm trying out this MoCA option for the fun of it. The idea of reusing the coaxial connection 1Gbps for something already there sounds interesting. I fumbled upon Moca while looking through powerline adaptors. I already have 3 wireless routers at home connected through wired connection but somehow my last room connection seems a bit flimsy. Thought I will use the scv point in that room which is next to my pc and this MOCA sounds fascinating.

I have access to my main scv box outside my home. It looks locked but it isn't. It also seems no one is connected. My line to the main box has been disconnected and connected to a white coaxial which goes up don't know where. There are 3 splits 1x 3.5dbi and 2x 7dbi. Not sure what are they for. In the house there is another splitter to 2 units.1 I know is to the scv box in hall. Another not sure where.

I see I need to get a POE to avoid connection back into the starhub network. What if I simply disconnect the main in?
khorsoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2019, 05:32 PM   #204
Master Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,061
MoCA work best if both ends are disconnected from SCV signal

both end must not be connected to the SCV connectors box outside


Hello everyone
I'm trying out this MoCA option for the fun of it. The idea of reusing the coaxial connection 1Gbps for something already there sounds interesting. I fumbled upon Moca while looking through powerline adaptors. I already have 3 wireless routers at home connected through wired connection but somehow my last room connection seems a bit flimsy. Thought I will use the scv point in that room which is next to my pc and this MOCA sounds fascinating.

I have access to my main scv box outside my home. It looks locked but it isn't. It also seems no one is connected. My line to the main box has been disconnected and connected to a white coaxial which goes up don't know where. There are 3 splits 1x 3.5dbi and 2x 7dbi. Not sure what are they for. In the house there is another splitter to 2 units.1 I know is to the scv box in hall. Another not sure where.

I see I need to get a POE to avoid connection back into the starhub network. What if I simply disconnect the main in?
WTF!!!!! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2019, 10:15 AM   #205
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 8
In that case I should not even need the POE filter? I just plug out the " in" from main SCV to my main splitter good enough right?
I ordered 2 units of Motorola Moca adapter. 1 MOCA POE and 1x 3 way splitter. I don't have to change anything at the SCV box in the rooms? Or do I need to replace splitter in room SCV box?

Anyone know the out 3DBI is for what? The rest are 7DBI..

MoCA work best if both ends are disconnected from SCV signal

both end must not be connected to the SCV connectors box outside
khorsoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2019, 10:37 AM   #206
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 8
In that case I should not even need the POE filter? I just plug out the " in" from main SCV to my main splitter good enough right?
I ordered 2 units of Motorola Moca adapter. 1 MOCA POE and 1x 3 way splitter. I don't have to change anything at the SCV box in the rooms? Or do I need to replace splitter in room SCV box?

Anyone know the out 3DBI is for what? The rest are 7DBI.
khorsoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2019, 05:20 PM   #207
Master Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,061
Motorola Moca adapter?
bonded 2.0 MoCA?


In that case I should not even need the POE filter? I just plug out the " in" from main SCV to my main splitter good enough right?
I ordered 2 units of Motorola Moca adapter. 1 MOCA POE and 1x 3 way splitter. I don't have to change anything at the SCV box in the rooms? Or do I need to replace splitter in room SCV box?

Anyone know the out 3DBI is for what? The rest are 7DBI..
WTF!!!!! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2019, 01:35 AM   #208
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 8
Well I meant Motorola MOCA Device. Yes it's the bonded 2.0 MoCA. Well I got the setup up and running but I'm only getting 100mbps as the speed on my PC in the room. Shouldn't I be getting Giga connection and the speed is near 1gbps?

I plugged out the main source of connection from Starhub to my splitter outside my house. Well it was the same with or without the connection from Starhub but to avoid my connection going out to other house hold I thought I better. The splitter is 5-1000mhz.

Motorola Moca adapter?
bonded 2.0 MoCA?
khorsoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2019, 02:47 PM   #209
Junior Member
 
whanafi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 11
Smile Switched from Starhub cable to Fibre and used MOCA

I really wanted to thank you for your detailed post on how to use MOCA. I had never heard of the technology before and was desperate to find a way to keep internet service in our flat.



Our building is 40 years old and has thick concrete walls, so Wi-Fi is just a dream. I held off converting simply because the distance from the Optical Termination Point to my office is impossible to wire. As a tenant, the landlord would never agree, and even if I did want to try running wire, it would mean ugly plastic tracking all over the flat.



I found the ActionTec MOCA 2.0 transceivers on Newegg and ordered 4, in order to have Interent in each room. No problem with delivery, though Newegg did a terrible job of packing, with the transceiver boxes loose in a larger shipping ox. Luckily nothing seems to have been damaged.


After the Starhub guy arrived, I told him that I would be using MOCA to move the signal back into the old Coax wiring. He said this was impossible as it only worked for TV. I asked him how Starhub transmits digital TV and he said IP. I waited for the light bulb to come on, but it never did.



Apparently Starhub has taught their techs that MOCA or EOCC (Ethernet over coax cable) is only suitable for TV. Data is data, so I ignored that.


I did ask the tech to put a Point of Entry Filter on my coax at the distribution box. He had no idea of what I was talking about, but did agree to detach the wire to isolate my cable. I was worried that I still needed a terminator (75 ohm) but as it turns out, it works without.


After the tech had finished installing everything, I signed off and he left.


At that point I attached the two ActionTec transceivers - one into the cable point beside the new fibre, and one into my office where the cable modem had been. There was nothing else to do. The units saw each other immediately with all green status lights on.



I use a Synology router and did not want a Linksys in my network, so I removed the router Starhub provides, and put mine in its place. This also meant my wifi and router settings were intact.



I then attached an Ethernet cable from the ActionTec to my router, and an Ethernet cable from the other ActionTec to a switch in my office. It worked instantly, showing 989Mbs down and 898Mbs up ACROSS THE COAX.



To say I am pleased is an understatement. I have full speed service using the existing coax wiring, and still have my own router and security in place.


The only loss is my digital voice service. On cable, the modem was in my office and I had a phone attached to provide voice service. With the new setup, the modem is in the living room with the TV, and there is no way to extend that to my office. I will try a cordless phone but given the distance and concrete walls, I am not hopeful.






Sharing my journey with setting up MoCA at my home - I hope it is useful to somebody. Please note the following is just my experience and not everything might be technically correct. Any feedback or addition is welcome - I'm always happy to learn!



##################################################################
#### STORY #########################################################
##################################################################

I recently switched from Starhub 100Mbps Cable Broadband to ViewQwest 2Gbps Fibre Broadband and with that change I also wanted to solve my annoying WiFi connectivity issues whilst using the actual bandwidth I'm paying for. The only way to get fast internet to my computer in a room that it furthest away from the fibre termination point in the living room was via wired connection.

Unfortunately, my building does not have Ethernet wiring and I'm not really interested in having any cable lying lose between rooms. I haven't made any good experience with PowerLine devices in the past (Ethernet over electrical wiring) and the only other thing I stumbled across was MoCA - which finally solved all my issues and gives me around 950Mbps internet access.

Here is my current setup at home with fibre internet provided by ViewQwest. Starhub is in the diagram as they used to provide me with cable internet and TV.






##################################################################
#### FUNDAMENTALS ###################################################
##################################################################

MoCA stands for 'Multimedia over Coax Alliance'. The technology behind that term allows the distribution of ethernet data over the existing in-home coaxial TV cabling. Simply said, it can convert a Ethernet signal to run over coaxial cables. MoCA networking can co-exist with video data on the same coax cable.

---ethernet-cable-----[MoCA Device]=====coax-cable=====[MoCA Device]-----ethernet-cable---

MoCA version 1.0 was approved in March 2006, MoCA 1.1 in April 2010, MoCA 2.0 in June 2010 and MoCA 2.5 in April 2016. Technical throughput specifications are:

• MoCA 1.0 ---> 100 Mbit/s
• MoCA 1.1 ---> 175 Mbit/s
• MoCA 2.0 ---> 500 Mbit/s
• MoCA 2.0 bonded ---> 1.0 Gbp/s
• MoCA 2.1 ---> 500 Mbit/s
• MoCA 2.1 bonded ---> 1.0 Gbp/s
• MoCA 2.5 ---> 2.5 Gbp/s

MoCA uses frequencies between 500MHz to 1650MHz (dependent on the application). Cable companies typically use frequencies up to 1000MHz to send signals, satellite dishes usually use frequencies above 1000MHz.




##################################################################
#### POE FILTER ######################################################
##################################################################

In order for MoCA to work, a 'Point Of Entry Filter' needs to be installed into the main coax cable before it branches off into different coax outlets of your flat. The cable connection can be found at an entry point into your premises such as a riser cabinet or a cable distribution box within your home.

The filter simply blocks MoCA frequencies going back into your cable providers network (or your neighbours network) and potentially interfering with the network or system elements.

Alternatively, the incoming main coax cable can also be disconnected from your home network if no service is used by the cable provider (just ensure to add a 75 Ohm terminator cap to your coax splitter).

Either ways - one solution is mandatory! For me, Starhub installed the POE filter in the riser cabinet free of cost - the filter used is a 'Soontai LPF-1002M3'.

[Starhub]====>[POE Filter]====>[Home Coax Network]







##################################################################
#### COAX SPLITTER ###################################################
##################################################################

Depending on your home network you may have more than one coax cable outlet. If so, it is most likely that a 'coax splitter' is used. A coax splitter has one input where the provider signal enters the splitter and at least two outputs where the signal leaves the splitter to go to devices. If multiple devices are using the splitter, the signal for each device will be weaker than if the signal went straight to a single device without running through the splitter. The more times the signal is split the weaker it will become.

[Starhub]

[POE Filter]

[Splitter]
‖ ‖ ‖ ‖
‖ ‖ ‖ +===> [Coax Outlet] Living Room
‖ ‖ ‖
‖ ‖ +======> [Coax Outlet] Bedroom Master
‖ ‖
‖ +=========> [Coax Outlet] Bedroom Large Common

+============> [Coax Outlet] Bedroom Small Common


Most coax splitter have a frequency band filter built in and a label on the splitter indicating the frequency band (for example '5-1000 Mhz'). This means, that the splitter blocks any frequencies outside of this range in any direction. Whilst MoCA operates some frequency bands above this range it should not affect the performance in any meaningful way.

If you happen to encounter issues you can try to replace the coax splitter with another frequency band model such as '5-1500 Mhz' or '5-1750 Mhz'. Another issue might be that the coax splitter in use is extremely old and has ferite cores instead of an integrated circuits. In any case, you can find modern replacement splitters in Sim Lim Square #03-69 at 'UF Technology'.








##################################################################
#### CONNECTIVITY ####################################################
##################################################################

I used RG-6 coax cables and Ethernet CAT6 cables for my home network in order to minimise any potential cabeling issues. Bespoke length RG-6 cables can be ordered in Sim Lim Tower #02-25 at 'LHS Electronics Enterprise' and I found decent quality Ethernet CAT6 cables in Sim Lim Square #04-01 at 'Cybermind'. I also tried to avoid any additional connectors (such as 90° F-type connectors) on my coax cables.





##################################################################
#### MOCA DEVICES ####################################################
##################################################################

According to my research in August 2017, the most recommended and discussed MoCA device on the internet is the 'Actiontec ECB6200 Bonded MoCA 2.0' which promises speeds up to 1Gbps. I ordered directly from Amazon Prime in the first days of the Singapore launch and the package arrived a few hours later. It includes the following:

• 2x Actiontec ECB6200 MoCA devices (120 x 65 x 26 mm)
• 2x AC Adapter (ADP #WA-10P05FU, US Plug Type A 100-240V, 1.3mm connector 5V DC/2A)
• 2x RG6 coax cable (Male F connectors, black, 50cm)
• 2x CAT5E ethernet cable (RJ45 connectors, yellow, 100cm)
• 1x Starburst Technologies 2-way coaxial splitter (5-1675Mhz)

Replacement AC adaptor devices with a UK Plug Type G for Singapore can be bought in Sim Lim Tower #01-05 at 'Ask Electronic' or at #B1-36B at 'IDO Technologies' but the easier solution is just to use a fused adapter.

[Router]---->[MoCA Device]====>[Coax Outlet]====>[Coax Outlet]====>[MoCA Device]---->[PC]





I personally do not recommend any of the advertised DirectTV devices. First, the power adapter is built with an US plug and ONLY operates at 120 Volts. Second, the devices can not co-exist with any video signal as they operate on the same frequency as your TV signal. And in my tests the internet transfer speeds I reached were at maximum ~65Mbps.







##################################################################
#### ECB6200 WEBINTERFACE #############################################
##################################################################

Whilst the Actiontec ECB6200 is a 'plug-and-play' device that doest not require any setup it still can be accessed via a web interface in order to gather more device information. Here are the steps:

• Unplug all cables connected to the Actiontec ECB6200
• Connect the ECB6200 to power and ensure that the 'Power' LED lights up
• Connect your computer via Ethernet cable to the ECB6200
• Set your computers Ethernet IP address to 192.168.144.10
• Set your computers gateway IP address to 192.168.144.1
• Start a browser and open 192.168.144.30

The interface is quite minimalistic with no real configuration options. Here are my default device details for the curious:

Device Info
• Board ID: 6802ECB
• SW Version: 2.11.1.50.6200.7
• RF Channel: 1150
• Band: Band D Extended

Configuration
• MoCA Password: xxxxxx
• MoCA Privacy: Disable
• RF Channel: 1150
• RF Band: Band D Extended
• RF Switch: Hi






##########################################################################################
#### LINKS ###############################################################################
##########################################################################################
Before you jump into turning your home network over check out the links below to get a better understand and idea if MoCA works for your home network.

MoCA Technology
http://www.drmoron.org/tv-moca/
http://millennials1st.house/blog/a-sip-of-moca

Coax Splitter
http://cable-connector.sg/page_127.html

ActionTec ECB6200
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhCaZqxVAJE
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...-moca2-network
http://wegotserved.com/2015/12/10/re...nded-moca-2-0/
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Network...rk-Adapter-Rev

Other Stuff
http://support.channelmaster.com/hc/...gh-A-Splitter-
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/in...s-3310854.html
http://www.tivocommunity.com/communi...r-type.519676/
http://www.tivocommunity.com/communi...-speed.547686/
whanafi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-03-2019, 08:54 PM   #210
Master Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,061
Well I meant Motorola MOCA Device. Yes it's the bonded 2.0 MoCA. Well I got the setup up and running but I'm only getting 100mbps as the speed on my PC in the room. Shouldn't I be getting Giga connection and the speed is near 1gbps?

I plugged out the main source of connection from Starhub to my splitter outside my house. Well it was the same with or without the connection from Starhub but to avoid my connection going out to other house hold I thought I better. The splitter is 5-1000mhz.
Direct measn NO SPLITTER!

Direct from one MoCA to other MoCA measn NO SPLITTER!

looking at the spec of MoCA
using splitter 5 -1000Mhz give you 100Mbps link
using splitter 5 -2300Mhz give you 1000Mbps link




moca 2.0 has to use ALL splitter 5 - 2300MHz to get 1000Mbps
if ONE of the splitter is 5-1000Mhz you get 100Mbps

Last edited by WTF!!!!!; 20-03-2019 at 09:00 PM..
WTF!!!!! is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Important Forum Advisory Note
This forum is moderated by volunteer moderators who will react only to members' feedback on posts. Moderators are not employees or representatives of HWZ. Forum members and moderators are responsible for their own posts.

Please refer to our Terms of Service for more information.


Thread Tools

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On