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Old 24-04-2018, 12:34 PM   #76
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That is the main splitter/connection which leads into your flat from either the matv or starhub cable connection.
Ah okay, I see where you are coming from. Yes, it is the main splitter from Starhub. The riser splitter consist of cables connecting to the same unit number (e.g. unit no. 50) but different floors (i see at least 3 floors above and below).
For example, the riser on 3rd floor will have a splitter for - #01-50, #02-50, #03-50, #04-50, #05-50 and #06-50.

From the riser, there will be one cable going into a HDB unit and from this cable it will split to different wall sockets. I am referring to this "main splitter"
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Old 24-04-2018, 02:48 PM   #77
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Ah okay, I see where you are coming from. Yes, it is the main splitter from Starhub. The riser splitter consist of cables connecting to the same unit number (e.g. unit no. 50) but different floors (i see at least 3 floors above and below).
For example, the riser on 3rd floor will have a splitter for - #01-50, #02-50, #03-50, #04-50, #05-50 and #06-50.

From the riser, there will be one cable going into a HDB unit and from this cable it will split to different wall sockets. I am referring to this "main splitter"
I am actually curious whether we will be able to setup moca successfully if we do not call starhub to come open up the riser box but install poe filter into each and every one of the TV points in the house. Will it have the same effect?
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Old 24-04-2018, 03:20 PM   #78
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I am actually curious whether we will be able to setup moca successfully if we do not call starhub to come open up the riser box but install poe filter into each and every one of the TV points in the house. Will it have the same effect?
Hmmm, personally and logically, i do not think it will work.
If I am not wrong, POE filter (also known as a low pass filter) restricts signal transmission (of a specified mhz range) into one direction (unidirectional connection).
MoCA works in a higher transmission, by default 1150mhz, thus will be blocked off or reflected by the POE filter.

E.g.
1. Without POE filter, signals runs bidirectional on all mhz range:
Coaxial point A <------> Coaxial point B

2. With POE filter, signals runs unidirectional on specified mhz range (>1000mhz)
Coaxial point A <---=---> Coaxial point B (bidirectional below 1000mhz)
Coaxial point A ----=----> Coaxial point B (unidirectional above 1000mhz)

Therefore, referring to the 2nd example, with POE filter installed between point A and point B. The MOCA will be able to transmit its signal from point A to point B thus having 'data download'.
However, due the the filter blocking off signals, the moca network would not have any 'data upload'. This will result in being able to load a website but unable to navigate because your requests are not sent back to the web server.

Hope I am able to explain it .. lol
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Old 24-04-2018, 10:58 PM   #79
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Hmmm, personally and logically, i do not think it will work.
If I am not wrong, POE filter (also known as a low pass filter) restricts signal transmission (of a specified mhz range) into one direction (unidirectional connection).
MoCA works in a higher transmission, by default 1150mhz, thus will be blocked off or reflected by the POE filter.

E.g.
1. Without POE filter, signals runs bidirectional on all mhz range:
Coaxial point A <------> Coaxial point B

2. With POE filter, signals runs unidirectional on specified mhz range (>1000mhz)
Coaxial point A <---=---> Coaxial point B (bidirectional below 1000mhz)
Coaxial point A ----=----> Coaxial point B (unidirectional above 1000mhz)

Therefore, referring to the 2nd example, with POE filter installed between point A and point B. The MOCA will be able to transmit its signal from point A to point B thus having 'data download'.
However, due the the filter blocking off signals, the moca network would not have any 'data upload'. This will result in being able to load a website but unable to navigate because your requests are not sent back to the web server.

Hope I am able to explain it .. lol
Wow, that is kinda mind blowing for my level. Tks for the answer.
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Old 24-04-2018, 11:12 PM   #80
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lol, sry, i tried to be as layman as i could.
TLDR, no, moca will not work by having POE filter on each tv point
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Old 26-04-2018, 08:03 PM   #81
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Bro alvinym, can take pic of the Starhub POE at the riser (which U asked them to come down and open up) ? cos I'm in the same predicament, can't find the inside-house POE
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Old 26-04-2018, 10:19 PM   #82
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Bro alvinym, can take pic of the Starhub POE at the riser (which U asked them to come down and open up) ? cos I'm in the same predicament, can't find the inside-house POE
I didnt manage to take a pic when the technician installed as I was inside the unit verifying the tv to ensure the correct cable. Though it is similar to candrox's pic (just newer and bigger splitter).

Though my scv box looks like below:
Spoiler!

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Old 27-04-2018, 03:41 PM   #83
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Hi everyone. I'm really intrigued by the whole MoCA networking as an alternative to trunking.

Recently, I just bought a 8 year old resale flat. While still new, it does not have Cat6 wired in. I am looking at MoCA as an alternative. I found the splitter within my unit.

I have some questions that I need help with.
- Am I right to say that I should be attaching the POE filter onto the "In" port on the splitter?
- If I am not going to watch cable, would it be the same if I just un-screwed the coaxial from the "In" port? That way I would not have to worry about attaching the POE filter.

Sorry for being a noob at this. Still trying my best to learn from all the info here!
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Old 27-04-2018, 04:45 PM   #84
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I have some questions that I need help with.
- Am I right to say that I should be attaching the POE filter onto the "In" port on the splitter?
- If I am not going to watch cable, would it be the same if I just un-screwed the coaxial from the "In" port? That way I would not have to worry about attaching the POE filter.

Sorry for being a noob at this. Still trying my best to learn from all the info here!
Hey, no worries on being a noob, we all learn together
- Yes, that's correct. Do refer to the blog link (found on TS first post as well) and pic in my earlier post.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...59-post59.html

- Hmmm, good question. Now i am curious to find out too.
I might be wrong, but the cheapest option I could think of, for the IN port, replace the main input cable with the cable where MoCA input will be attached to (I mean the moca adapter which will be connected to the router).
Alternatively, downsizing the splitter or terminating the unused port with a specific terminator cap may help to recover some signal lost.
Update: A quick read mentioned that terminator cap would minimise ghosting but not the signal lost, as the signal had gone through the splitter.

Come to think of it, I could replace my unit's second splitter with a connector but since i am not experiencing any major dropouts, i shall leave it untouched. lol

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Old 27-04-2018, 09:50 PM   #85
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I didnt manage to take a pic when the technician installed as I was inside the unit verifying the tv to ensure the correct cable. Though it is similar to candrox's pic (just newer and bigger splitter).

Though my scv box looks like below:
Spoiler!
Thanks bro
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Old 27-04-2018, 10:59 PM   #86
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Hey, no worries on being a noob, we all learn together
- Yes, that's correct. Do refer to the blog link (found on TS first post as well) and pic in my earlier post.

- Hmmm, good question. Now i am curious to find out too.
I might be wrong, but the cheapest option I could think of, for the IN port, replace the main input cable with the cable where MoCA input will be attached to (I mean the moca adapter which will be connected to the router).
Alternatively, downsizing the splitter or terminating the unused port with a specific terminator cap may help to recover some signal lost.
Update: A quick read mentioned that terminator cap would minimise ghosting but not the signal lost, as the signal had gone through the splitter.

Come to think of it, I could replace my unit's second splitter with a connector but since i am not experiencing any major dropouts, i shall leave it untouched. lol
Wow thanks for the quick reply! Yup, seems like the terminator cap is pretty important. I will do my testing on my side. I'm pretty certain I don't want cable TV, so removing the coaxial from the "In" point makes sense to me. Keep the signal contained within my house.
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Old 29-04-2018, 05:25 PM   #87
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Wow thanks for the quick reply! Yup, seems like the terminator cap is pretty important. I will do my testing on my side. I'm pretty certain I don't want cable TV, so removing the coaxial from the "In" point makes sense to me. Keep the signal contained within my house.
Yeah, containing the signal would be great, it increases the security of your moca network.

Terminator cap just reduces ghosting or in simple terms closing a door that leads to nowhere. The signal is still gone as it has been sliced by the splitter.
Best to downsize the splitter, though if you are keen of getting MOCA setup, best to test out with the adapters first. Only spend more when the connection is not stable, internet speed is nothing if the connection is not stable.
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Old 02-05-2018, 09:45 PM   #88
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Possible to buy the POE filter in SG (locally) ?
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Old 03-05-2018, 10:42 AM   #89
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Possible to buy the POE filter in SG (locally) ?
Have not tried personally but I think yes, it should be available in local stores. Though it may be called another name - low pass/band filter, etc.

Can try at SLT (or SLS) and explain to the shop owner that you need to filter high range (>1000mhz) transmission from going out your home unit. I actually saw a filter at my neighborhood electrical shop, but shop owner had no clue what i am talking about so i didnt take the chance.
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Old 05-05-2018, 06:39 PM   #90
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I have discontinued my starhub cable tv for a long time do I still need to install a POE filter? Thanks
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