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I do not know, google cloud is not our home user ISPs. A few years back I was with Singtel Fibre Broadband so i make noise with Singtel but Singtel reply say not within their control and they say that even i change to other ISP the situation will still be the same as it is overseas server slow and not Singtel. I do not believe them so i say i want to jump to other ISP so Singtel release me from my contract and allow me early termination. Then i jumped to M1 for 4 years then I jumped to Starhub because of Fibre TV and I noticed that Singtel is right. International speed is not within ISP control. I have noticed slowness in all the 3 ISP. All ISP say not within their control. They say they do not have such technology to control such thing.

you certainly havent tried dedicated fibre with private ASN :)

anyway these days with gigabit broadband it usually isnt about the peak speed. its about consistency, latency, jitter and packet loss that affects streaming
 
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its usually about the same as starhub for unicom, 79ms. but sometimes the singtel route can get congested during peak hours and they reroute it somewhere else. will try to get a speedtest when that happens :)

btw may i know which shared vps you use? most of the CN providers seem to have limited the bandwidth severely..

Huawei cloud bro, but without subscribing to their static BGP option

Now I'm trying to find a way to reliably establish a link from my home to that VPS. Current configuration involves an Azure jump host that works most of the time. If by changing ISP I could eliminate the need of using a jump host that would be great.
 

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Huawei cloud bro, but without subscribing to their static BGP option

Now I'm trying to find a way to reliably establish a link from my home to that VPS. Current configuration involves an Azure jump host that works most of the time. If by changing ISP I could eliminate the need of using a jump host that would be great.
Change to which ISP?
 

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you certainly havent tried dedicated fibre with private ASN :)

anyway these days with gigabit broadband it usually isnt about the peak speed. its about consistency, latency, jitter and packet loss that affects streaming

Absolutely. I'm even ok with high latency as long as it can maintain a minimum data rate
 

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you certainly havent tried dedicated fibre with private ASN :)

anyway these days with gigabit broadband it usually isnt about the peak speed. its about consistency, latency, jitter and packet loss that affects streaming

Dedicated line is at least a few thousands dollars or more every month as user do not share cable with other users so the bandwidth do not any how run so it is more stable. Such dedicated line is usually for corporate use. If you live in a HDB 4 room flat do you think can get such dedicated line? Not a home user solution.
 

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SingTel 1Gbps Fibre:

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That's pretty cool. Wonder if Whizcomms subscribers would be given the same priority as Singtel subscribers? I need bridged mode...
 

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Huawei cloud bro, but without subscribing to their static BGP option

Now I'm trying to find a way to reliably establish a link from my home to that VPS. Current configuration involves an Azure jump host that works most of the time. If by changing ISP I could eliminate the need of using a jump host that would be great.

wow.. huawei cloud shared bandwidth is really cheap, around 7.6cents/gb compared to azure 16.3cents/gb
 

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wow.. huawei cloud shared bandwidth is really cheap, around 7.6cents/gb compared to azure 16.3cents/gb

Yah, and can reach between 500-600Mbps downstream via Azure. Minimum also got sustained 300Mbps during peak hours. If you also subscribe a VPS from their Singapore DC as jump host it should be pretty sweet, in theory.
 

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Yah, and can reach between 500-600Mbps downstream via Azure. Minimum also got sustained 300Mbps during peak hours. If you also subscribe a VPS from their Singapore DC as jump host it should be pretty sweet, in theory.
nice, for me im a student so i get free azure credit $100 per year.. running vpn client on my firewall to azure then using poor mans free transocks to vpn in tunnel to china haha...

damn huawei cloud is fast, which region are yon on? maybe i could help do some ping tests from my singtel fibre
 

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nice, for me im a student so i get free azure credit $100 per year.. running vpn client on my firewall to azure then using poor mans free transocks to vpn in tunnel to china haha...

damn huawei cloud is fast, which region are yon on? maybe i could help do some ping tests from my singtel fibre

Shanghai 2
 

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Shanghai 2
--- 119.3.0.118 ping statistics --- (random shanghai 2 server from singtel bb)
51 packets transmitted, 43 packets received, 15.7% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 239.294/298.934/421.392/47.317 ms

traceroute to 119.3.0.118 (119.3.0.118), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 xiaoqiang (192.168.3.253) 4.545 ms 0.897 ms 0.894 ms
2 bb-xx-xx-xx.singnet.com.sg (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) 19.897 ms 20.654 ms 19.496 ms
3 202.166.123.134 (202.166.123.134) 21.815 ms 20.210 ms 19.674 ms
4 202.166.123.133 (202.166.123.133) 19.796 ms 18.868 ms 20.432 ms
5 ae8-0.tp-cr03.singnet.com.sg (202.166.122.50) 18.841 ms 19.957 ms 19.895 ms
6 ae4-0.tp-er03.singnet.com.sg (202.166.123.70) 23.150 ms 18.192 ms 20.980 ms
7 203.208.145.233 (203.208.145.233) 21.008 ms
203.208.191.197 (203.208.191.197) 21.075 ms
203.208.191.113 (203.208.191.113) 18.904 ms
8 203.208.153.162 (203.208.153.162) 199.215 ms 198.833 ms
203.208.182.249 (203.208.182.249) 21.723 ms
9 203.208.173.106 (203.208.173.106) 196.748 ms
203.208.182.86 (203.208.182.86) 192.197 ms
ae5.mpr1.pao1.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.35.189) 202.717 ms
10 ae4.mpr2.pao1.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.27.191) 277.788 ms
203.208.172.234 (203.208.172.234) 193.773 ms
ae4.mpr2.pao1.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.27.191) 206.020 ms
11 ae5.mpr1.pao1.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.35.189) 198.159 ms 198.204 ms
ae5.cs2.sjc2.us.eth.zayo.com (64.125.31.16) 325.283 ms
12 ae4.mpr2.pao1.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.27.191) 202.636 ms
ae27.cr2.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.30.233) 306.033 ms 213.640 ms
13 ae5.cs2.sjc2.us.eth.zayo.com (64.125.31.16) 205.316 ms
ae16.mpr4.sjc7.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.31.15) 202.281 ms
ae5.cs2.sjc2.us.eth.zayo.com (64.125.31.16) 189.950 ms
14 zayo-ct-4.sjc7.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.14.78) 197.613 ms
ae27.cr2.sjc2.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.30.233) 196.149 ms
zayo-ct-3.sjc7.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.14.46) 201.066 ms
15 202.97.86.178 (202.97.86.178) 269.368 ms 196.086 ms 198.470 ms
16 202.97.6.1 (202.97.6.1) 494.620 ms 533.336 ms
zayo-ct.sjc7.us.zip.zayo.com (64.125.12.34) 201.363 ms
17 202.97.35.93 (202.97.35.93) 512.783 ms
202.97.33.133 (202.97.33.133) 474.769 ms
202.97.91.53 (202.97.91.53) 434.040 ms
18 202.97.57.146 (202.97.57.146) 483.435 ms
202.97.24.137 (202.97.24.137) 490.781 ms
202.97.6.1 (202.97.6.1) 439.504 ms
19 202.97.34.97 (202.97.34.97) 541.527 ms
202.97.91.65 (202.97.91.65) 530.454 ms *
20 * 101.95.219.134 (101.95.219.134) 517.142 ms
202.97.24.137 (202.97.24.137) 493.706 ms
21 101.89.241.210 (101.89.241.210) 511.221 ms
101.95.246.206 (101.95.246.206) 531.344 ms
101.95.88.5 (101.95.88.5) 462.817 ms
22 * 101.95.219.178 (101.95.219.178) 512.839 ms
101.95.219.206 (101.95.219.206) 530.831 ms
23 10.156.5.58 (10.156.5.58) 286.870 ms * 318.456 ms
24 180.163.107.162 (180.163.107.162) 307.383 ms * 318.892 ms
25 10.156.5.46 (10.156.5.46) 307.323 ms
10.156.5.58 (10.156.5.58) 304.287 ms *
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32 ecs-119-3-0-118.compute.hwclouds-dns.com (119.3.0.118) 229.095 ms 230.987 ms *


--- 119.3.0.118 ping statistics --- (azure for comparison)
50 packets transmitted, 47 received, 6% packet loss, time 49118ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 64.007/69.669/73.457/3.222 ms


routed through US, so nope :)
 
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Absolutely. I'm even ok with high latency as long as it can maintain a minimum data rate

For me as long as can use i am happy because i am free internet and i pay for TV service only.
 

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Haven't decided yet, need to see indicative speeds from larger samples including MR and Whizzcomms
 

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23 10.156.5.58 (10.156.5.58) 286.870 ms * 318.456 ms

25 10.156.5.46 (10.156.5.46) 307.323 ms
10.156.5.58 (10.156.5.58) 304.287 ms *

Suddenly got a few LAN addresses... normal?

Traceroute from VQ for the above address goes through Starhub, Singapore NTT, Japan NTT, then China Telecom Shanghai for a total of 26 hops. But can't test the throughput.
 

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Myrepublic should be the best for Chinatel and China Unicom

tracert 119.3.0.118

通过最多 30 个跃点跟踪到 119.3.0.118 的路由

1 1 ms 2 ms <1 毫秒 192.168.1.1
2 3 ms 2 ms 4 ms 45.119.155.2
3 2 ms 2 ms 6 ms 103.6.148.61
4 4 ms 3 ms 2 ms 103.1.67.237
5 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 202.77.23.37
6 90 ms * 87 ms 219.158.100.29
7 91 ms 86 ms 87 ms 219.158.97.26
8 68 ms 71 ms 70 ms 219.158.8.113
9 113 ms * 115 ms 219.158.6.253
10 * * * 请求超时。
11 116 ms 115 ms 115 ms 139.226.205.46
12 * * * 请求超时。
13 * * * 请求超时。
14 * * * 请求超时。
15 * * * 请求超时。
16 * * * 请求超时。
17 * * * 请求超时。
18 * * * 请求超时。
19 * * * 请求超时。
20 * * * 请求超时。
21 90 ms 89 ms 90 ms 119.3.0.118

跟踪完成。

speedtest for Shanghai Unicom
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for Guangzhou tel
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Myrepublic should be the best for Chinatel and China Unicom

tracert 119.3.0.118

通过最多 30 个跃点跟踪到 119.3.0.118 的路由

1 1 ms 2 ms <1 毫秒 192.168.1.1
2 3 ms 2 ms 4 ms 45.119.155.2
3 2 ms 2 ms 6 ms 103.6.148.61
4 4 ms 3 ms 2 ms 103.1.67.237
5 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 202.77.23.37
6 90 ms * 87 ms 219.158.100.29
7 91 ms 86 ms 87 ms 219.158.97.26
8 68 ms 71 ms 70 ms 219.158.8.113
9 113 ms * 115 ms 219.158.6.253
10 * * * 请求超时。
11 116 ms 115 ms 115 ms 139.226.205.46
12 * * * 请求超时。
13 * * * 请求超时。
14 * * * 请求超时。
15 * * * 请求超时。
16 * * * 请求超时。
17 * * * 请求超时。
18 * * * 请求超时。
19 * * * 请求超时。
20 * * * 请求超时。
21 90 ms 89 ms 90 ms 119.3.0.118

跟踪完成。

speedtest for Shanghai Unicom
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for Guangzhou tel
5140132243.png

The Starhub could do higher throughput but it goes through US.
Does the route hop through Japan or Hong Kong or somewhere else? And is yours normal plan or gamer plan?

Many thanks.
 

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The Starhub could do higher throughput but it goes through US.
Does the route hop through Japan or Hong Kong or somewhere else? And is yours normal plan or gamer plan?

Many thanks.

Mine is MR gamer plan.
For Myrepublic to China Unicom, it directly goes through HongKong via AS10099 ( less than 100ms even at peak hour), no matter normal plan or gamer plan.

when the throughput is above 100 Mbps, you won't feel difference for normal use including online video. In this case, latency (ping) determines your feeling, especially for gaming.

For myrepublic to China Tel, it depends, and sometimes changes. Currently go through Japan NTT, throughput is ok, could be >200 Mbps, with 150~200 ms ping. Still better than Starhub and Singtel (both go through US telia, >250 ms), and M1 (go through HK telstra --> Korean KT --> Chinatel, >250 ms)
 

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Haven't decided yet, need to see indicative speeds from larger samples including MR and Whizzcomms

ISP can change their overseas peering partners from time to time and we will not know it. M1 used to be good. Now MR good, may be in future no good. It is hard to say.
 

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Suddenly got a few LAN addresses... normal?

Traceroute from VQ for the above address goes through Starhub, Singapore NTT, Japan NTT, then China Telecom Shanghai for a total of 26 hops. But can't test the throughput.

yeah. might be singtel/someone screwing with the routing with blackholing again
 

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To get into China at great speed and latency you need to know how people from China get out from their great firewall at premium speeds. The best way IMHO is to get an aeroplane and fly from singapore, transit Hong Kong and Land on Shenzhen.

My ping is somewhere 20- 50ms during peak (8pm-2am) on a good reliable airportwhich has direct peering (PCCW,CN2,etc) from Hong Kong Kong to Shenzhen.

Those who are wondering what I’m talking about. It’s terms use in China, where VPN/Proxy/Shadowsocks/R is prohibited to say out in the internet.

Unfortunately large bandwidth with Low latency is very expensive. Those cheap VPS server does not provide direct route to their network. Instead you see a lot of cheap VPS server advertise as premium where they take a longer route. So the best way is to subscribe a VPN/Proxy/Shadowsocks service who buys direct bandwidth in bulk and resell them at affordable pricing.
 
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