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Old 03-10-2018, 10:11 PM   #1306
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If the device is set as the router, it will be connected to the WAN port. Meaning, the other end of the WAN port is the ONT.

If the device is set as an access point, it is connected to the LAN port.

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On whether you need 1 or 2 wireless APs/Routers, it depends on house layout. you have to trial and error as well. If possible, put the wireless router/ap in the middle of the house. Perhaps, you can see if you can put the wireless AP outside the cabinet first.

Hi Giraffey

So based on what you say, I have 3 options:

Option 1:


Use the most basic way, with only my existing equipment with no additional purchase

TP > ONT > D1 in Riser Box > D1 in Living Room > Wireless Router in Living Room

(From Living Room D1 Wallpoint, connect to WAN or LAN port in Wireless Router?)

This option means the most traditional way whereby everyone in the house get Wireless connection from that 1 Router in Living room


Option 2:


Buy an addition 1 Wireless Router

TP > ONT > LAN port in 1st Wireless Router in Riser Box to serve as 1st AP (wireless function switched on) and connect 3 other LAN ports to Data points in Riser box to enable connectivity in 3 rooms

Use the other newly bought Wireless Router in MBR, connect it to wall datapoint using its LAN port for MBR wireless coverage.

This option will see both Routers in Riser Box and MBR acting as Wireless APs (both wireless function switched on) although the wireless connectivity from the router in the enclosed riser box may not be good


Option 3:

Buy 2 more additional wireless routers

TP in riser Box > ONT > riser box's Router's WAN PORT (with wireless function switched off)

Then connect the 4 LAN ports in this Router with wireless function switched off to the 4 Lan ports in the "Build-in" Data points in riser box so that all 4 rooms' Data points have internet capability

Place 1 of the 2 newly bought Router in living room, connect it from the wall Data point to 1 LAN port to act as AP in Living room

Repeat the same for MBR in the other end of the house for AP number2



Above correct?

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Old 03-10-2018, 10:30 PM   #1307
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Hi Giraffey

So based on what you say, I have 3 options:

Option 1:


Use the most basic way, with only my existing equipment with no additional purchase

TP > ONT > D1 in Riser Box > D1 in Living Room > Wireless Router in Living Room

(From Living Room D1 Wallpoint, connect to WAN or LAN port in Wireless Router?)

This option means the most traditional way whereby everyone in the house get Wireless connection from that 1 Router in Living room


Option 2:


Buy an addition 1 Wireless Router

TP > ONT > LAN port in 1st Wireless Router in Riser Box to serve as 1st AP (wireless function switched on) and connect 3 other LAN ports to Data points in Riser box to enable connectivity in 3 rooms

Use the other newly bought Wireless Router in MBR, connect it to wall datapoint using its LAN port for MBR wireless coverage.

This option will see both Routers in Riser Box and MBR acting as Wireless APs (both wireless function switched on) although the wireless connectivity from the router in the enclosed riser box may not be good


Option 3:

Buy 2 more additional wireless routers

TP in riser Box > ONT > riser box's Router's WAN PORT (with wireless function switched off)

Then connect the 4 LAN ports in this Router with wireless function switched off to the 4 Lan ports in the "Build-in" Data points in riser box so that all 4 rooms' Data points have internet capability

Place 1 of the 2 newly bought Router in living room, connect it from the wall Data point to 1 LAN port to act as AP in Living room

Repeat the same for MBR in the other end of the house for AP number2



Above correct?
all 3 correct, except that for 2 & 3, you have to log in to the router to do what I mentioned in my earlier post.

It is not difficult to configure router.

for option 2&3, you will have 3 spare lan ports per router for you to connect to computers.
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Old 03-10-2018, 10:39 PM   #1308
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all 3 correct, except that for 2 & 3, you have to log in to the router to do what I mentioned in my earlier post.

It is not difficult to configure router.

for option 2&3, you will have 3 spare lan ports per router for you to connect to computers.

Option 3 is straight forward, my current router has a physical on/off wireless function button that I can switch off as the router in my riser box. Therefore, no need to log in anythign online right?



As for option 2, both Router (1 in riser box and 1 in MBR will both act as active AP with wireless function switched on) and therefore, no need to login online / website to do anything right?


And for most basic option 1, though i will know by trial on that day, from Wall's Datapoint, connect to Router's WAN ot LAN port?
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Option 3 is straight forward, my current router has a physical on/off wireless function button that I can switch off as the router in my riser box. Therefore, no need to log in anythign online right?



As for option 2, both Router (1 in riser box and 1 in MBR will both act as active AP with wireless function switched on) and therefore, no need to login online / website to do anything right?


And for most basic option 1, though i will know by trial on that day, from Wall's Datapoint, connect to Router's WAN ot LAN port?
you need to log in to the 2nd and 3rd router to do some simple configuration.

if you want it to be easier,buy wireless ap and install it at the mbr. Most likely you don't have to do configuration.
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Old 03-10-2018, 11:43 PM   #1310
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Hi Giraffey

So based on what you say, I have 3 options:

Option 1:


Use the most basic way, with only my existing equipment with no additional purchase

TP > ONT > D1 in Riser Box > D1 in Living Room > Wireless Router in Living Room

(From Living Room D1 Wallpoint, connect to WAN or LAN port in Wireless Router?)

This option means the most traditional way whereby everyone in the house get Wireless connection from that 1 Router in Living room


Option 2:


Buy an addition 1 Wireless Router

TP > ONT > LAN port in 1st Wireless Router in Riser Box to serve as 1st AP (wireless function switched on) and connect 3 other LAN ports to Data points in Riser box to enable connectivity in 3 rooms

Use the other newly bought Wireless Router in MBR, connect it to wall datapoint using its LAN port for MBR wireless coverage.

This option will see both Routers in Riser Box and MBR acting as Wireless APs (both wireless function switched on) although the wireless connectivity from the router in the enclosed riser box may not be good


Option 3:

Buy 2 more additional wireless routers

TP in riser Box > ONT > riser box's Router's WAN PORT (with wireless function switched off)

Then connect the 4 LAN ports in this Router with wireless function switched off to the 4 Lan ports in the "Build-in" Data points in riser box so that all 4 rooms' Data points have internet capability

Place 1 of the 2 newly bought Router in living room, connect it from the wall Data point to 1 LAN port to act as AP in Living room

Repeat the same for MBR in the other end of the house for AP number2



Above correct?
yes, correct. =)
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:09 AM   #1311
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yes, correct. =)

So Giraffey

For option 1, the most basic option, from D1 in Living Room > Wireless Router in Living Room

From Living room's Wall Data port, Should i plug in the router's WAN or LAN port?

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Old 04-10-2018, 07:21 AM   #1312
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So Giraffey

For option 1, the most basic option, from D1 in Living Room > Wireless Router in Living Room

From Living room's Wall Data port, Should i plug in the router's WAN or LAN port?
WAN, since it is acting as a router.
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:34 AM   #1313
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In the same scenario as Lawlen (4rm bto same layout) just that my network box has to be converted. I believe it has 1 original data point to TV console. Would appreciate help understanding the various connections including PoE if I use unifi AP (use PoE to minimise need for wall power)

I wish for ethernet datapoints in all 4 rooms to be "live" (aka connected to internet) and have a Unifi AP placed somewhere in the living area or tv console. Digital voice line. I think there are 5 possible data points, 5th being in the bomb shelter.

In my current understanding for this setup,

(Riser Box) TP, ONT & Router

Router > 4 patch cables out into the 4 converted Data points in Riser. tv, mbr, bed2, bed3

(tv area)
would I need a router or switch at this location if I have 2 devices requiring ethernet?
1 *ethernet for tv etc
1 *ethernet for Wireless AP (where does the PoE injector connect to?)

(bed 3)
need ethernet for 1* desktop PC,
just straight connect PC with 1 lan cable to the wall data point?
if adding a 2nd desktop PC wanting internet via ethernet I would require a switch?

thanks!

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In the same scenario as Lawlen (4rm bto same layout) just that my network box has to be converted. I believe it has 1 original data point to TV console. Would appreciate help understanding the various connections including PoE if I use unifi AP (use PoE to minimise need for wall power)

I wish for ethernet datapoints in all 4 rooms to be "live" (aka connected to internet) and have a Unifi AP placed somewhere in the living area or tv console. Digital voice line. I think there are 5 possible data points, 5th being in the bomb shelter.

In my current understanding for this setup,

(Riser Box) TP, ONT & Router

Router > 4 patch cables out into the 4 converted Data points in Riser. tv, mbr, bed2, bed3

(tv area)
would I need a router or switch at this location if I have 2 devices requiring ethernet?
1 *ethernet for tv etc
1 *ethernet for Wireless AP (where does the PoE injector connect to?)

(bed 3)
need ethernet for 1* desktop PC,
just straight connect PC with 1 lan cable to the wall data point?
if adding a 2nd desktop PC wanting internet via ethernet I would require a switch?

thanks!
PoE is a method to supply the access point with power over the ethernet cable instead of a seperate AC adapter. The unifi access points can only be powered by PoE so you will have 2 options,1st is a PoE injector which takes the unpowered ethernet cable form your router/switch and powers it via an injector connected to your wall electrical socket



2nd is a PoE switch that supplies power for your access point via the switch port.



If possible do have more then 1 ethernet cable to each room. This provides redundancy and you won't need a switch in a room.
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In the same scenario as Lawlen (4rm bto same layout) just that my network box has to be converted. I believe it has 1 original data point to TV console. Would appreciate help understanding the various connections including PoE if I use unifi AP (use PoE to minimise need for wall power)

I wish for ethernet datapoints in all 4 rooms to be "live" (aka connected to internet) and have a Unifi AP placed somewhere in the living area or tv console. Digital voice line. I think there are 5 possible data points, 5th being in the bomb shelter.

In my current understanding for this setup,

(Riser Box) TP, ONT & Router

Router > 4 patch cables out into the 4 converted Data points in Riser. tv, mbr, bed2, bed3

(tv area)
would I need a router or switch at this location if I have 2 devices requiring ethernet?
1 *ethernet for tv etc
1 *ethernet for Wireless AP (where does the PoE injector connect to?)

(bed 3)
need ethernet for 1* desktop PC,
just straight connect PC with 1 lan cable to the wall data point?
if adding a 2nd desktop PC wanting internet via ethernet I would require a switch?

thanks!
If your TV area and each of the rooms require more than 1 LAN point, you would minimally need a switch for each. A router (configure as a non router such as ap mode) can be used as well if you have 1 lying around and doing nothing).

if your wireless ap is at a LAN point that has more LAN connected devices, perhaps, using a switch with POE (or a router not configured as a router mode) could be a better option.
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If your TV area and each of the rooms require more than 1 LAN point, you would minimally need a switch for each. A router (configure as a non router such as ap mode) can be used as well if you have 1 lying around and doing nothing).

if your wireless ap is at a LAN point that has more LAN connected devices, perhaps, using a switch with POE (or a router not configured as a router mode) could be a better option.
Good to know router can be used as LAN switch too.

The poe power for the AP @ tv area, can it be provided at the riser box? (Poe adapter at riser's router)

I just checked and i actually have 6 lan points. If i want all 6 to have internet then i'd need a router with 6 lan out points? Because most routers i see only have 4 lans and 1 wan. For the remaining 2 lan i use a switch?

Appreciate the help

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Good to know router can be used as LAN switch too.

The poe power for the AP @ tv area, can it be provided at the riser box? (Poe adapter at riser's router)

I just checked and i actually have 6 lan points. If i want all 6 to have internet then i'd need a router with 6 lan out points? Because most routers i see only have 4 lans and 1 wan. For the remaining 2 lan i use a switch?

Appreciate the help
Can and yes
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Good to know router can be used as LAN switch too.

The poe power for the AP @ tv area, can it be provided at the riser box? (Poe adapter at riser's router)

I just checked and i actually have 6 lan points. If i want all 6 to have internet then i'd need a router with 6 lan out points? Because most routers i see only have 4 lans and 1 wan. For the remaining 2 lan i use a switch?

Appreciate the help
yup, just use a switch. but use one that supports 1000mbps. same for your other rooms.
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Old 11-10-2018, 01:57 PM   #1319
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thanks guys. to clarify,

scenario A
with a 4 LAN port router,
router lan 1- tv area > switch > tv, AP
router lan 2- living rm
router lan 3- mbr
router lan 4- switch > bed 2, bed 3, shelter

vs

scenario B
with a 4 LAN port router,

router lan 1 - switch > tv area , living rm , mbr, bed 2, bed 3 & shelter. where tv area has another switch for tv & AP.

if scenario B is possible, then I can put a small router (even non wireless) in the riser box & a switch. Instead of a big router with 6 lan ports.

For my intention of tv area having lan to tv & poe to a AP (unifi lite etc), would it be more elegant work to use the unifi AP IW (in wall) - so that I won't need a switch there?

I need voip phone too, how does that affect the setup?

adding a newb question: PoE power transferable?
If my router can supply PoE or I attach a PoE adapter to the router Lan port, then subsequently connect it to my riser box lan point which then routes to tv area lan point. Will an AP at this tv area receive the PoE power still?
Do I also assume correctly that PoE power from router will not pass over to a switch?

thanks

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thanks guys. to clarify,

scenario A
with a 4 LAN port router,
router lan 1- tv area > switch > tv, AP
router lan 2- living rm
router lan 3- mbr
router lan 4- switch > bed 2, bed 3, shelter

vs

scenario B
with a 4 LAN port router,

router lan 1 - switch > tv area , living rm , mbr, bed 2, bed 3 & shelter. where tv area has another switch for tv & AP.

if scenario B is possible, then I can put a small router (even non wireless) in the riser box & a switch. Instead of a big router with 6 lan ports.

For my intention of tv area having lan to tv & poe to a AP (unifi lite etc), would it be more elegant work to use the unifi AP IW (in wall) - so that I won't need a switch there?

I need voip phone too, how does that affect the setup?

adding a newb question: PoE power transferable?
If my router can supply PoE or I attach a PoE adapter to the router Lan port, then subsequently connect it to my riser box lan point which then routes to tv area lan point. Will an AP at this tv area receive the PoE power still?
Do I also assume correctly that PoE power from router will not pass over to a switch?

thanks
PoE cannot be daissy chain!! If you put Poe into an unsupported router, you will break it.
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