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Old 24-08-2017, 09:54 PM   #151
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some phone will auto connect to stronger wifi.

I have my repeater with different SSID name, sometimes phone or tablet will automatically switch wifi when I move from living room to bedroom.

autozoning or not. you can manually select wifi network.
or turn on airplane mode for 3 seconds and the phone connects to strong signal
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Old 24-08-2017, 10:19 PM   #152
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My question too! Both toilets no signal, but master bedroom got 2.4G (2 bar) and common bedroom 2.4G (3 bar)

I am just considering powerline adaptor or router. But found that this router I can get really cheap so... given router spec wise is definitely better (right?), guess I'll get the router and autozone.
Since ur is new bto, from mid-2013, u can convert master room telephone point to Data point as it is using Cat-6 cable.
The do bridge mode for the router in the room.

In my case, although all rooms do have data points.
And i did convert tel point to data point as additional, as advice by the isp installer.
My setup. Both routers Dlink dir868l.

TP -> ONT -> Router (main) -> HUB in the DB box -->> all rooms.

My room, in the middle.
Data point -> hub (powered) -->> pc, etc; and Router (2nd).
Lan cable to Router WAN port.
Settings to Bridge mode.
SSID & Password independent.
Note: Ensure u have upgrade the firmware to 1.09SHC.

Phones n devices are set on 5GHz band.
Common toilet no problem in receiving good signal from my room even both doors closed.
Doors are fine but walls between rooms may not be.
Hence i go for phones with dual bands.

As for the main Router, i position to be line in sight at all rooms doors.
In this way it covered whole living room and do have some signal for nearby rooms, taking into consideration on doors being fine for signal.

Hope this will give u a general idea.

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Old 24-08-2017, 10:35 PM   #153
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Question. Does it work well? Autozoning?

Seemless trouble free?

My hdb the masterbedroom loo requires a repeater whenever we wanna go poopoo.

Wld replacing with a dir868 autozoning be a more 'elegant' solution?
And i assume it wld be setup as;
A. Main router
B. AP with autozoniny enabled?
Technically this require some settings to be done before using.
Autozoning is never perfect solution, as depend on what sort of surfing n speed connection.
The repeater router require to be in line of sight to have a better signal.
Speed between both routers would be 866mbps irregularless on ur isp plan, as this is internal connection.

In my previous old flat i can connect via lan cable to the repeater with speed at 500mbps plan without issue.

Autozoning on router 868 do have its problem, as someone did encountered.
Secured connection may drop if moved to another router signal.
But streaming may not due to the buffer and it can reconnect with ease.

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Old 24-08-2017, 10:54 PM   #154
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Technically this require some settings to be done before using.
Autozoning is never perfect solution, as depend on what sort of surfing n speed connection.
The repeater router require to be in line of sight to have a better signal.
Speed between both routers would be 866mbps irregularless on ur isp plan, as this is internal connection.

In my previous old flat i can connect via lan cable to the repeater with speed at 500mbps plan without issue.

Autozoning on router 868 do have its problem, as someone did encountered.
Secured connection may drop if moved to another router signal.
But streaming may not due to the buffer and it can reconnect with ease.
If using lan cable, you don't call it a repeater. It is another AP.
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Old 25-08-2017, 09:38 AM   #155
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Thanks for sharing. You brought up one important point:

Currently, I got 2 data point - one living room and one master bedroom.

So, with 1 router now, my connection within the DB BOX is from black box to one of the data points (living room). If I hook up a new router, I'll need to establish another connection between black box and next data point (master bedroom), correct?

I'll look into the firmware matter. I think that's at the start of this thread.

Thank you!

Since ur is new bto, from mid-2013, u can convert master room telephone point to Data point as it is using Cat-6 cable.
The do bridge mode for the router in the room.

In my case, although all rooms do have data points.
And i did convert tel point to data point as additional, as advice by the isp installer.
My setup. Both routers Dlink dir868l.

TP -> ONT -> Router (main) -> HUB in the DB box -->> all rooms.

My room, in the middle.
Data point -> hub (powered) -->> pc, etc; and Router (2nd).
Lan cable to Router WAN port.
Settings to Bridge mode.
SSID & Password independent.
Note: Ensure u have upgrade the firmware to 1.09SHC.

Phones n devices are set on 5GHz band.
Common toilet no problem in receiving good signal from my room even both doors closed.
Doors are fine but walls between rooms may not be.
Hence i go for phones with dual bands.

As for the main Router, i position to be line in sight at all rooms doors.
In this way it covered whole living room and do have some signal for nearby rooms, taking into consideration on doors being fine for signal.

Hope this will give u a general idea.
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Old 25-08-2017, 12:56 PM   #156
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Thanks for sharing. You brought up one important point:

Currently, I got 2 data point - one living room and one master bedroom.

So, with 1 router now, my connection within the DB BOX is from black box to one of the data points (living room). If I hook up a new router, I'll need to establish another connection between black box and next data point (master bedroom), correct?

I'll look into the firmware matter. I think that's at the start of this thread.

Thank you!
The "black box" you mentioned is called ONT. You can only link up one router to the ONT.

The 2nd router has to be connected to 1st router's LAN port.
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Old 25-08-2017, 01:47 PM   #157
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Oh no! Means must pull one wire from 1st router to second router??

Is there another set up?

The "black box" you mentioned is called ONT. You can only link up one router to the ONT.

The 2nd router has to be connected to 1st router's LAN port.
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Old 25-08-2017, 02:39 PM   #158
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Ah 'solved' the matter and called StarHub.

In bracket ( xx ) is what's within my DB BOX..

Instead of my current: (TP>ONT>wall point IN 1)>wall point in living room OUT>router 1 at living room

Change to: (TP>ONT>router 1>wall point IN 2)>wall point in bedroom OUT>router 2 at bedroom, set as AP

Hope the signal of router 1 in living room entrance DB BOX won't degrade so much. Now it's like in a cabinet....


Oh no! Means must pull one wire from 1st router to second router??

Is there another set up?
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Old 25-08-2017, 07:42 PM   #159
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Ah 'solved' the matter and called StarHub.

In bracket ( xx ) is what's within my DB BOX..

Instead of my current: (TP>ONT>wall point IN 1)>wall point in living room OUT>router 1 at living room

Change to: (TP>ONT>router 1>wall point IN 2)>wall point in bedroom OUT>router 2 at bedroom, set as AP

Hope the signal of router 1 in living room entrance DB BOX won't degrade so much. Now it's like in a cabinet....
Your new setup is correct, as done by installer, as they are expert in these connection n setup.
The wiring is fine as it still good in my case.

Do take note carefully on the "channels" of the router band may conflict due to default using the same as both are of same model.
So it is best to factory reset the 2nd router in bedroom and connect via cable to data point.
For AP to access to 2nd router, download this Home Wifi Alert App to detect the correct AP.
This Home Wifi Alert app is mentioned in the hardware site.

My connection is to Router WAN Port and in Bridge mode, available after new firmware upgraded.
SSID is different from main router.


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Old 25-08-2017, 09:16 PM   #160
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The d link fella said channels no issue because I'm operating two routers in "router" mode. Hence can u tell me how to check and what's the optimal channel(s) to be on?

Home wifi alert app you mentioned, is it for my devices to auto find best connection when moving through the house?

I don't do life-or-death kind of Internet stuff in the house so not exactly necessary... but curious - doesn't it drain your phone because it's just continually searching for better network?

Thanks!

Your new setup is correct, as done by installer, as they are expert in these connection n setup.
The wiring is fine as it still good in my case.

Do take note carefully on the "channels" of the router band may conflict due to default using the same as both are of same model.
So it is best to factory reset the 2nd router in bedroom and connect via cable to data point.
For AP to access to 2nd router, download this Home Wifi Alert App to detect the correct AP.
This Home Wifi Alert app is mentioned in the hardware site.

My connection is to Router WAN Port and in Bridge mode, available after new firmware upgraded.
SSID is different from main router.
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The d link fella said channels no issue because I'm operating two routers in "router" mode. Hence can u tell me how to check and what's the optimal channel(s) to be on?

Home wifi alert app you mentioned, is it for my devices to auto find best connection when moving through the house?

I don't do life-or-death kind of Internet stuff in the house so not exactly necessary... but curious - doesn't it drain your phone because it's just continually searching for better network?

Thanks!
There are many ways to connect 2nd or 3rd router, the most important thing to note is that the 2nd or 3rd router should not be in router mode, else you will face "double NAT" problem.

My preference is to connect 2nd router via yellow LAN port (i.e. not the blue WAN port), disable DHCP in the second router, and set the router's IP address as 192.168.0.2. By doing so, the second router behaves like a switch + AP.

For wifi frequency, install "wifi analyser" app on your handphone from playstore, it can show you the channels used by your neighbours and the strengths. Choose the least congested channel. Remember not to overlap the same channels between your 1st and 2nd router.
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There are many ways to connect 2nd or 3rd router, the most important thing to note is that the 2nd or 3rd router should not be in router mode, else you will face "double NAT" problem.

My preference is to connect 2nd router via yellow LAN port (i.e. not the blue WAN port), disable DHCP in the second router, and set the router's IP address as 192.168.0.2. By doing so, the second router behaves like a switch + AP.

For wifi frequency, install "wifi analyser" app on your handphone from playstore, it can show you the channels used by your neighbours and the strengths. Choose the least congested channel. Remember not to overlap the same channels between your 1st and 2nd router.
Correction.
The Router yellow port is WAN or Gigabit Internet Port.
The blue 4 ports is LAN ports.

As explained and correct.

My AP is 192.168.100.1 from the app

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Old 25-08-2017, 10:13 PM   #163
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The d link fella said channels no issue because I'm operating two routers in "router" mode. Hence can u tell me how to check and what's the optimal channel(s) to be on?

Home wifi alert app you mentioned, is it for my devices to auto find best connection when moving through the house?

I don't do life-or-death kind of Internet stuff in the house so not exactly necessary... but curious - doesn't it drain your phone because it's just continually searching for better network?

Thanks!
U need to check the settings and compare to ensure no same channels assigned on the 2 bands.
Optional channels is available to select within.

Home Wifi Alerts app is just one of many apps that is to check on devices connected to that Router or AP.
I seldom use it as when required only.
There is no need to depend on these apps as usually no need of when everything works n fine.
As long as ur phone is in one location the signal remain.
Wifi on battery drain is minor, as the most drain is the mobile network signal where signal varies all the times.

As for gregory_choo comments is an option, which should be fine.

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Old 25-08-2017, 10:29 PM   #164
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My conenction is now:

ONT>Blue Internet port of router 1>router 1's Lan 1 > data point at DB box connected to master bedroom > master bedroom data point > blue Internet port of router 2.

That's a indirect connection or basically just a long wired connection (I guess?)

Do I log into router 2's IP address and configure DHCP to turn off? My router 2 is running 192.168.100.1 already though, Different from router 1.

I'll download the app and check the channels

There are many ways to connect 2nd or 3rd router, the most important thing to note is that the 2nd or 3rd router should not be in router mode, else you will face "double NAT" problem.

My preference is to connect 2nd router via yellow LAN port (i.e. not the blue WAN port), disable DHCP in the second router, and set the router's IP address as 192.168.0.2. By doing so, the second router behaves like a switch + AP.

For wifi frequency, install "wifi analyser" app on your handphone from playstore, it can show you the channels used by your neighbours and the strengths. Choose the least congested channel. Remember not to overlap the same channels between your 1st and 2nd router.
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My conenction is now:

ONT>Blue Internet port of router 1>router 1's Lan 1 > data point at DB box connected to master bedroom > master bedroom data point > blue Internet port of router 2.

That's a indirect connection or basically just a long wired connection (I guess?)

Do I log into router 2's IP address and configure DHCP to turn off? My router 2 is running 192.168.100.1 already though, Different from router 1.

I'll download the app and check the channels
Long way or short way - you have to connect in this way.

If you connect to the wan port (blue), you have to set the router2 to bridge mode. If you have problem with this configuration, change to the lan port 1 (yellow).

It is better to set the ip no of the 2 routers using the same sub net, it is easier to configure and change settings in the future. If the 1st router is 192.168.0.1, set 192.168.0.2 for the 2nd router and so on. These numbers should be outside router 1's dhcp range - the default setting is from 192.168.0.100 - 192.168.0.254.
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