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Old 03-10-2019, 02:46 PM   #1006
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I jumped from Singtel to M1, connectivity still ok. I didn't encounter any sudden lose of connection.
With so many switching out to M1, I am surprised and disgusted by Singtelís resistance towards eSIM for reasons best known to themselves
Resistance is futile as one day Apple may go all eSIM on their phones
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Old 03-10-2019, 03:06 PM   #1007
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Give it one more month then complain...

With so many switching out to M1, I am surprised and disgusted by Singtel’s resistance towards eSIM for reasons best known to themselves
Resistance is futile as one day Apple may go all eSIM on their phones
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Old 03-10-2019, 03:17 PM   #1008
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Give it one more month then complain...
Got any insider news?
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Old 03-10-2019, 03:52 PM   #1009
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With so many switching out to M1, I am surprised and disgusted by Singtel’s resistance towards eSIM for reasons best known to themselves
Resistance is futile as one day Apple may go all eSIM on their phones
That’s why I say Apple should just remove physical SIM and shift all the telcos in the world to support eSIM on top of current physical SIM.

The only way telco needs is getting forced.
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Old 03-10-2019, 04:53 PM   #1010
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Thatís why I say Apple should just remove physical SIM and shift all the telcos in the world to support eSIM on top of current physical SIM.

The only way telco needs is getting forced.
Sadly Apple doesnít have 90% of the market share. That will only work if other phone manufacturers do the same
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Old 03-10-2019, 06:51 PM   #1011
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Nope, just speculation.

Got any insider news?
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Old 03-10-2019, 07:24 PM   #1012
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Not everyone uses iphone. Probably the no. of users who are using iPhone and who needs the esim feature is too little to justify why they should invest in the technology. Not all iphone XS/11 users wants the esim as they only have 1 mobile line and are fine with using the physical slot.

Should say M1 really did a brave move.

That’s why I say Apple should just remove physical SIM and shift all the telcos in the world to support eSIM on top of current physical SIM.

The only way telco needs is getting forced.
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Old 03-10-2019, 09:36 PM   #1013
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Not everyone uses iphone. Probably the no. of users who are using iPhone and who needs the esim feature is too little to justify why they should invest in the technology. Not all iphone XS/11 users wants the esim as they only have 1 mobile line and are fine with using the physical slot.

Should say M1 really did a brave move.
It doesn't matter who uses or not. Apple is a market mover. There are Android with eSIM support but not shaking up the market. If Apple goes into no physical SIM mode, which I am not surprised due to their obsession of removing ports, they will force telco to provide eSIM immediately.

A lot of them have the infrastructure but are holding back right now.
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Old 03-10-2019, 09:52 PM   #1014
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It doesn't matter who uses or not. Apple is a market mover. There are Android with eSIM support but not shaking up the market. If Apple goes into no physical SIM mode, which I am not surprised due to their obsession of removing ports, they will force telco to provide eSIM immediately.

A lot of them have the infrastructure but are holding back right now.
AS much as I believe Apple got a lot of clout, if telcos don't play ball, they r gg.

It will only work if Apply can ensure before launch that majority of telcos will play ball.
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Old 04-10-2019, 01:14 AM   #1015
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AS much as I believe Apple got a lot of clout, if telcos don't play ball, they r gg.

It will only work if Apply can ensure before launch that majority of telcos will play ball.
Telcos move when Apple moves. Telcos earn more money selling iPhones than any other phones. If Apple transit to full eSIM which is soon, any telco who doesn’t adopt eSIM will be at the losing ends.
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AS much as I believe Apple got a lot of clout, if telcos don't play ball, they r gg.

It will only work if Apply can ensure before launch that majority of telcos will play ball.
Apple doesn’t give a dam to telco. Telco either follow or lose out in revenue. Apple is a market mover for technology.
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Old 04-10-2019, 07:40 AM   #1017
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Apple actually work closely with telcos instead of giving a dam to them.

But end of the day, telcos decide what is best for them.

Apple doesnít give a dam to telco. Telco either follow or lose out in revenue. Apple is a market mover for technology.
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:50 AM   #1018
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Imo Apple is a supplier/vendor, telcos are like middleman who bring in the phones from suppliers to sell to customers like you and me.

Middleman don’t have to be forced to make changes base on what the suppliers decide to do to their products. If Apple decides to completely remove physical SIM but telcos don’t intend to change, it doesn’t affect telcos but the customers because we won’t be able to use the latest iPhone anymore. And customers like us can only LLST and use other phones since no player supports esim. The one losing will be Apple as they won’t be able to sell their new phones to a country that have zero telco supporting esim, while our telco can get on with life and nothing gonna change.

Just a illustration.

It doesn't matter who uses or not. Apple is a market mover. There are Android with eSIM support but not shaking up the market. If Apple goes into no physical SIM mode, which I am not surprised due to their obsession of removing ports, they will force telco to provide eSIM immediately.

A lot of them have the infrastructure but are holding back right now.

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Old 04-10-2019, 09:30 AM   #1019
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Apple doesnít give a dam to telco. Telco either follow or lose out in revenue. Apple is a market mover for technology.
As much as I may be an Apple user and a supporter like you, Iím trying to be a bit more realistic.

For one, I donít know how you can be so sure that Apple doesnít give a damn about telcos.

Who knows maybe behind the scenes, thereís a lot of effort from them to work with telcos to ensure whatever they are pushed out is being supported.

It takes 2 hands to clap.

You are only a market mover for technology if telco supports it, if not nobody will even know whatís Apple.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:00 AM   #1020
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This question has already been answered many times in this thread if you bothered to back track a few pages earlier.
Not sure how many pages is "a few pages" but I scroll back to 60 using crt+f each time to look for the key word "format".

The only instance it came up doesn't seem related: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...5-post963.html

But I found a solution independently: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads...m-q-a.2150226/

In short, yes, eSIM survives a restore/reformat. Good to know.
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