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Old 28-01-2019, 11:50 AM   #3556
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I have to say itís a lot better for me now. Used to be very scared of using on buses but it works quite well now.
Ya, last time use mobile abt. keep kena red till scared n return back to card abt.

However, duno what happen in the last weekend. I scan my card into MRT and later on can't tap out. Go to the control station, they say they can't do anything. Try remove and readd card also can't. Go to machine, put my card on it and said error. Go pay for stuff using paywave also can't.

In the end call bank to request for new card, saying my paywave got issue.
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Old 28-01-2019, 12:05 PM   #3557
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Someone posted on money mind forum that there's a limit to 1024 taps.(Contactless)

Ya, last time use mobile abt. keep kena red till scared n return back to card abt.

However, duno what happen in the last weekend. I scan my card into MRT and later on can't tap out. Go to the control station, they say they can't do anything. Try remove and readd card also can't. Go to machine, put my card on it and said error. Go pay for stuff using paywave also can't.

In the end call bank to request for new card, saying my paywave got issue.
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Old 28-01-2019, 12:35 PM   #3558
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Yes still using on my iPhone X via Apple Pay.. think so far less den 5% failure rate for me.
Mayb it's the NFC area of d phone to d terminal that need to find d sweet spot to scan

u mean now using apple pay ABT will get green light every time and never fail?
last time we all get red light everyday until we all stop using it.
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Old 28-01-2019, 03:03 PM   #3559
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Yup can confirm as it has happened to me twice. That’s why I now use the new bank NETS card with contactless function as my backup, hopefully got no limit.

Someone posted on money mind forum that there's a limit to 1024 taps.(Contactless)

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Old 31-01-2019, 12:31 PM   #3560
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Tap on the top part of your phone.

Ya, last time use mobile abt. keep kena red till scared n return back to card abt.

However, duno what happen in the last weekend. I scan my card into MRT and later on can't tap out. Go to the control station, they say they can't do anything. Try remove and readd card also can't. Go to machine, put my card on it and said error. Go pay for stuff using paywave also can't.

In the end call bank to request for new card, saying my paywave got issue.
Just tap using the top half of your phone if you using iPhone. It doesnít work when you try to tap the middle part of the phone. The sensor of the phone is at top part. I have only 1 failure out of 50 tries. Me using iPhone X first gen.
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Old 31-01-2019, 06:13 PM   #3561
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Do i have to tap on the reader, and then press power button twice and verified by face ID in order to pass through the gantry?

Just tap using the top half of your phone if you using iPhone. It doesn’t work when you try to tap the middle part of the phone. The sensor of the phone is at top part. I have only 1 failure out of 50 tries. Me using iPhone X first gen.
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Old 31-01-2019, 06:41 PM   #3562
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1. Double press on your power button.
2. Authenticate
3. Tap on reader
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Old 02-02-2019, 12:12 PM   #3563
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Really wish the system would be more like japan suica

Don’t need to do face id or Touch ID authentication before tapping through fare gates when was using in japan
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Old 02-02-2019, 07:56 PM   #3564
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Do i have to tap on the reader, and then press power button twice and verified by face ID in order to pass through the gantry?
As per our members reply.

1) Double click on the power button if you are using iPhone with Face ID authentication. Double click on home button for iPhone 5,6,7 and 8 and authenticate with your finger print. You can authenticate slightly earlier before reaching the gantry or bus exit. Donít do too early. Donít authenticate only when you reach the gantry it takes 1 second to authenticate and another second to read your phone reader.

2) Once itís authentic, rest the top part of your phone on the reader which is the grey area (not on the reader screen as I have seen people doing that!).

3) You will see a short message on the reader screen and you will hear a short beep on both your phone and EZ Link reader.

Sounds a bit complicated at first but once you get the hang of it, itís easy. When ABT officially launch, I will register with my Apple Watch 4 as itís more sensitive to the reader. Plus no need authentication with Apple Watch! At the moment EZLink cards are still the best to use as the reader technology blends well with the card. Until Transit Link Company are able to learn Japan Suica technology, we still have some catching up. Suica works flawlessly when I was in Tokyo. Topping up was easy. Going thru the gantry was a breeze. Everything was easy! Singapore companies just isnít talking to each other. So thatís why there are so many kinds of cards and made it hard for the commuters.
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Old 03-02-2019, 01:27 AM   #3565
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Sucks that for iphones, this is still on trial. What is Singapore govt doing? Maybe they think ezlink card is already enough, cashless but not quite mobile yet.
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Old 03-02-2019, 09:42 PM   #3566
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As per our members reply.

1) Double click on the power button if you are using iPhone with Face ID authentication. Double click on home button for iPhone 5,6,7 and 8 and authenticate with your finger print. You can authenticate slightly earlier before reaching the gantry or bus exit. Donít do too early. Donít authenticate only when you reach the gantry it takes 1 second to authenticate and another second to read your phone reader.

2) Once itís authentic, rest the top part of your phone on the reader which is the grey area (not on the reader screen as I have seen people doing that!).

3) You will see a short message on the reader screen and you will hear a short beep on both your phone and EZ Link reader.

Sounds a bit complicated at first but once you get the hang of it, itís easy. When ABT officially launch, I will register with my Apple Watch 4 as itís more sensitive to the reader. Plus no need authentication with Apple Watch! At the moment EZLink cards are still the best to use as the reader technology blends well with the card. Until Transit Link Company are able to learn Japan Suica technology, we still have some catching up. Suica works flawlessly when I was in Tokyo. Topping up was easy. Going thru the gantry was a breeze. Everything was easy! Singapore companies just isnít talking to each other. So thatís why there are so many kinds of cards and made it hard for the commuters.
We were on FeLiCa (NFC-F) with the previous generation EZ-Link, but we have moved away due to the need to develop our own CEPAS standards (NFC-B) to merge with CashCard system used in ERP and to support the switch to DBTF.

However, most CEPAS readers follow closely to the standards of 140ms response time, while most FeLiCa transit readers supporting Suica clock in at 50ms response time despite a published requirement of 200ms (non-transit card readers used by third parties would be closer to the 200ms standards). Even Octopus readers using FeLiCa clock in at 100ms. That explains the responsiveness of Suica readers in Japan.

There is hope however, as there is news that EasyCard in Taiwan (MiFARE over NFC-B) might support Apple Pay in the future. In the nearer term, Octopus is rumoured to end its exclusive tie-up with Samsung Pay soon and open its wallet services to Apple Pay very soon.
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Old 03-02-2019, 11:31 PM   #3567
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We were on FeLiCa (NFC-F) with the previous generation EZ-Link, but we have moved away due to the need to develop our own CEPAS standards (NFC-B) to merge with CashCard system used in ERP and to support the switch to DBTF.

There is hope however, as there is news that EasyCard in Taiwan (MiFARE over NFC-B) might support Apple Pay in the future. In the nearer term, Octopus is rumoured to end its exclusive tie-up with Samsung Pay soon and open its wallet services to Apple Pay very soon.
Hope for what? Supporting MIFARE standards doesn't mean CEPAS will be compatible, and it's already taking such a huge amount of time for LTA to support EMV acceptance from mobile devices, I cannot imagine how many generations of phones will have to be released before anything concrete will happen with mobile phone manufacturers to fully incorporate EZ Link and its backend systems.

And from where did you find out that CEPAS is NFC-B? I've been searching for more details about CEPAS but can't seem to find it anywhere.
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Old 04-02-2019, 08:14 AM   #3568
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Hope for what? Supporting MIFARE standards doesn't mean CEPAS will be compatible, and it's already taking such a huge amount of time for LTA to support EMV acceptance from mobile devices, I cannot imagine how many generations of phones will have to be released before anything concrete will happen with mobile phone manufacturers to fully incorporate EZ Link and its backend systems.

And from where did you find out that CEPAS is NFC-B? I've been searching for more details about CEPAS but can't seem to find it anywhere.
Significance is in proving the concept that it works technically

I believe it is somewhere in Reddit using a device to read the NFC output from a CEPAS card...
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:46 PM   #3569
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So by now followers of this thread will know that cards under the MasterCard trial have a hard limit on how many times you can use the card for the public transport trial. I myself have experienced this twice: both my original passion card and replacement passion card were unable to use for public transport roughly a year after first using. At first I thought it was due to card failure but after some follow up by fellow posters it became clear it was bank policy.

Now this same limit has hit my iPhone X. I tried at two separate mrt stations and all the times that I tried I got the error “Unable to complete payment” on my Apple Pay. I haven’t tried making a normal Apple Pay transaction (will try shortly), but I’m fairly confident this is due to the hard limit imposed by the banks.

Unfortunately this is my last Apple device which I registered for the trial, and I’ll be switching to my atm card for payment from now onwards. Hopefully LTA can finish up their testing and officially launch this year?
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:55 PM   #3570
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Just tap using the top half of your phone if you using iPhone. It doesnít work when you try to tap the middle part of the phone. The sensor of the phone is at top part. I have only 1 failure out of 50 tries. Me using iPhone X first gen.
most of us in this thread know about this (iphone nfc at top edge) already, so this is not the prob.
during early days of mobile ABT trial, the readers are terrible - tap iphone (top part) or watch nicely and steadily, the mrt readers gave red light (card error or unknown error). repeatedly tap on the same reader still get red light, until u change to another mrt gantry then can get green light. while some bus readers got no response at all.
the experience was terrible so all of us stop using mobile ABT until now.

but from ur experience, seems like the readers can read iphone and watch smoothly now... i will wait for public launch then only try again to confirm that they have fixed the stability issue.
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