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Old 03-08-2019, 10:18 PM   #1
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Japan Experts Lip Lai! Kansai - Tokyo Couple Trip

Hi all!

Will be grateful if you can provide on your 2 cents on this itinerary, if it's too rush, feasible, ideas etc.

Will be on a trip with my gf and we like to eat, go for onsen (mixed gender/private), sight see.

1 Nov (Osaka stay at Namba Area?)
-8.45am: Arrival at KIX Airport
-9am:Clear Immigration
-10am: Deposit luggage at Namba Accommodation
-11am: Travel to Ikeda & Lunch
-1pm: Cup Noodle Museum (2 hours)
-3pm: Travel back Namba area
-4pm: Shinsaibashi Shopping Arcade
-7pm: Dinner at Dontonburi & walk around

2 Nov (Stay Osaka)
-9am: Osaka Castle
-12pm: Train to Kuromon Ichiba Market
-1pm: Kuromon Ichiba Market for lunch
-4pm Shitennoji Temple
-5pm onwards: Shinsekai area and dinner (worth going?)

3 Nov (Stay Osaka)
-10am: Tenjinbashi-Suji Shopping Street (worth going?)
-12pm: Lunch
-2pm: Daimaru Pokemon Centre
-4pm: Roam around Kita District
-6pm: Umeda Sky Building
-7pm: Dinner around Umeda area

4 Nov (Stay Osaka)
- USJ

5 Nov (Day Trip to Himeji & Kobe)
-9am: Himeji Castle
-11am Kokoen Garden
-1pm: Lunch at Kobe (Day Trip)
-3pm: Harborland
-5pm: Meriken Park and dinner
-8pm: Find some private onsen (45min-1.5hrs) if got time?

6 Nov (Stay Kyoto near Kyoto station?)
-9am: Fushimi Inari
-11pm: Travel and Lunch
-1pm: Ginkakuji -> Walk down Path of Philosophy -> To Nanzen Ji Temple
-3pm: Travel back Namba accom to rest and free and easy onwards

7 Nov (Stay Kyoto)
9-1pm: Kiyomizu-dera, Sannen and Ninnen-zika, Choin Temple, Shoren-in Temple
1pm: Lunch at Nishiki Market
3-5pm: Daimaru Basement Food Floor and walk around
5-7pm: Rest at hotel
7pm: Dinner at Gion
9pm: Pontocho Alley

8 Nov (Stay Kyoto)
9am: Tenryuji Temple
10am: Arashimaya Bamboo Forest
12pm: Okochi-sanso villa
1pm: Lunch
2pm: Kinkakuji
3pm: Tea Ceremony Koto
4pm: Travel back Kyoto station
5pm: Rest at hotel
7pm: Dinner and roam around Kyoto station

9 Nov (Stay Hakone - Gf birthday)
8am: Shinkansen from Kyoto to Odawara and then train to Hakone Shrine
11pm: Hakone Shrine
1pm: Lunch
2.30pm: Lake Ashinoko
4pm: Travel back Ryokan, onsen and wait for Kaiseki dinner

10 Nov (Lake Kawaguchiko)
9am:Travel to Lake Kawaguchiko
12pm: Lunch
1.30pm: Mount Fuji Panoramic Ropeway to observation deck
4pm: Travel to Akihabara roam and dinner there

11 Nov (Stay Tokyo)
9am: Meiji Shrine
10am: Yoyogi Park (see autumn leaves)
11am: Harajuku Takeshita Street
1pm: Lunch
2pm: Harajuku Tokyu Plaza Omotesando
3pm: Don Quijote
4pm: Roam around Shibuya and dinner there

12 Nov (Stay Tokyo)
9am: Tsukiji outer market
11am : Ginza and Lunch
1pm: Travel to Odaiba
3pm: Mori building digital art museum
6pm: Pallette Town Ferris Wheel
7pm: Dinner
9pm: Rainbow bridge (just to view from afar)

13 Nov (Leave luggage at hotel)
9am: Kaminariman Gate and Sensoji Temple
10am: Nakamise Shopping Street
1pm: Lunch
3pm: Tokyo Skytree
5pm: Shinjuku and dinner at Memory Lane
9pm: Pick up luggage at hotel and travel to Haneda airport for flight at 2.30am.


Q:Thinking of more mixed gender/private onsen. Grateful if someone can shed light on like 45 to 1.5hours private onsen.


All feedback welcome!
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Old 03-08-2019, 11:59 PM   #2
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Your Tokyo days all quite unrealistic, be ready to cut out some items on the fly.
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Hi all!

Will be grateful if you can provide on your 2 cents on this itinerary, if it's too rush, feasible, ideas etc.

Will be on a trip with my gf and we like to eat, go for onsen (mixed gender/private), sight see.

1 Nov (Osaka stay at Namba Area)
-8.45am: Arrival at KIX Airport
-10am: Deposit luggage at Namba Accommodation
-11am: Cup Noodle Museum
-12pm: Lunch
-1pm Minoo Park until 4pm
-5pm: Shinsaibashi Shopping Arcade
-7pm: Dinner at Dontonburi & walk around

2 Nov (Osaka)
-8/9am: Breakfast @ Kuromon Ichiba Market
-11am: Shitennoji Temple
-12pm: Lunch @ Shinsekai (puffer fish)
-1pm: Osaka Castle
-3pm: Tenjinbashi-Suji Shopping Street
-4pm: Daimaru Pokemon Centre
-5pm: Kita District
-7pm: Dinner @ Umeda area
-9pm: Umeda Sky Building

3 Nov (Day Trip to Kyoto)
-9-11am: Fushimi Inari
-12-1pm: Travel near Ginkakuji area for lunch
-1-5pm: Ginkakuji -> Path of Philosophy -> Eikando Temple -> Nanzen Ji Temple -> Tenjuan Temple (if templed out then will skip some )
-5-7pm: Travel back Namba accom to rest
-7pm: Dinner at Dontonburi & walkaround

4 Nov (Osaka)
- USJ

5 Nov (Day Trip to Himeji & Kobe)
Activate 7 day JR Pass
-9am: Himeji Castle
-11am Kokoen Garden
-1pm: Lunch at Kobe (Day Trip)
-3pm: Harborland
-4pm: Shin Kobe Ropeway
-5pm: Mount Rokko
-7pm: Dinner somewhere around Mount Rokko?
Thinking of going Arima Onsen look for private bath after dinner (feasible?)

6 Nov (Stay Kyoto near Kyoto station?)
[Gf want stay both Osaka and Kyoto]
9-1pm: Kiyomizu-dera, Sannen and Ninnen-zika, Choin Temple, Shoren-in Tempole, Yasaka Shrine
1pm: Lunch at Nishiki Market
3-5pm: Daimaru Basement Food Floor and walk around
5-7pm: Rest at hotel
7pm: Dinner at Gion
9pm: Pontocho Alley

7 Nov (Stay Kyoto)
9-1pm: Kimono Dress up then Tenryuji Temple, Arashimaya, Okoshi Sanso Villa
1pm: Lunch
2pm: Take taxi to Kinkakuji
3pm: Tea Ceremony Koto
4pm: Travel back Kyoto Station
5pm: Rest at hotel
7pm: Dinner
8-9pm: Walk around Kyoto Station

8 Nov (Hiroshima/Miyajima - Stay at Hiroshima?)
8am: Shinkansen to Hiroshima
10am: Peace Memorial Park & Museum
12pm: Lunch at Hiroshima Downtown
2pm: Reach Miyajima
3pm: Dashoin Temple
4pm: Miyajima ropeway and Mount Misen
7pm Dinner around Mount Misen?

9 Nov (Stay Hakone - Gf birthday so book ryokan for her )
7am: Shinaksen from Hiroshima to Odawara then Hakone
Activate Hakone Fuji Pass 2 days
12pm: Hakone Shrine
1pm: Lunch
2pm: Lake Ashinoko
4pm: Hakone Open Air Museum
6pm: Travel back Ryokan Kaiseki dinner and onsen

10 Nov (Lake Kawaguchiko)
9am:Travel to Lake Kawaguchiko
12pm: Mount Fuji Panoramic Ropeway
1pm: Lunch at observation deck
2pm: Music Forest
4pm: Travel to Akihabara and dinner there

11 Nov (Stay Tokyo Shinjuku)
9am: Meiji Shrine
10am: Yoyogi Park
11am: Harajuku Takeshita Street
1pm: Harajuku Tokyu Plaza Omotesando
1pm: Lunch
2pm: Don Quijote
3-8pm: Shibuya and dinner
8pm: Roponggi (optional)

12 Nov (Stay Tokyo Shinjuku)
9am: Sensoji
10am: Asakusa
11am: Nakamise Shopping Street
12pm: Ueno Park
1pm: Lunch
2pm: Tokyo Skytree
3-8pm: Shinjuku and Memory Lane
8-10pm Kabukicho

13 Nov (Leave luggage at Shinjuku hotel)
9am: Tsukiji outer market
11am : Ginza and Lunch
1pm: Travel to Odaiba
3pm: Mori building digital art museum
4-6pm: Diver City
6pm: Pallette Town Ferris Wheel
7pm: Dinner
8pm: Rainbow bridge
9pm: Pick up luggage
11pm: Head to Haneda Airport for flight at 2.30am

Some questions:
1. Shin Kobe ropeway closes at 5pm. How do we get down afterwards? Take another cable car? Sorry if this is a daft question

2. Is it an overkill to do Mount Rokko and Mount Misen in one itinerary? (Not into hiking)

3. Thinking of more mixed gender/private onsen. Feasible to go Arima onsen and go in one by one ask if got private onsen available? Grateful if someone can shed light on like 45 to 1.5hours private onsen.

4. Wanted to go miyajima for Itsukushima shrine but it's under construction. Still worth a trip?

5. Miyajima ropeway closes at 5pm. How do I get down afterwards? Sorry daft question again

6. Gf birthday is on 9 Nov. Will Hakone be a nice place for her?

7. On 8Nov, should I stay Hiroshima or Miyajima.

All feedback welcome!
Did you look at the map when you did the planning?

Most attractions on Mt Rokko close at 4pm/4.30pm.

Why do a day trip to Kyoto when you are based in Osaka for the 1st few days when after that you are doing to Kyoto for a few nights?

Did you look at the various passes when you did the planning?

There's the Himeji Tourist pass which includes a one way Nankai to Namba ticket + a day pass for Hanshin Electric Railway and Sanyo Electric Railway (for Kobe and Himeji).
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Did you look at the map when you did the planning?

Most attractions on Mt Rokko close at 4pm/4.30pm.

Why do a day trip to Kyoto when you are based in Osaka for the 1st few days when after that you are doing to Kyoto for a few nights?

Did you look at the various passes when you did the planning?

There's the Himeji Tourist pass which includes a one way Nankai to Namba ticket + a day pass for Hanshin Electric Railway and Sanyo Electric Railway (for Kobe and Himeji).
Thanks guys for the feedback.

From your feedback on Mount Rokko, i'll amend it to just roam around Kobe.

I wanted to start the trip with Osaka for 3 days (including USJ) then move to Kyoto but realized by doing that, USJ would fall on a Sunday. Hence i'm doing a day trip so USJ would fall on a Monday (4 Nov) and be less crowded. Does it make sense? Or is there a better solution?

Yeah I did reference to google maps and use Japan guide. I think i got overboard taking bits and pieces of people's itinerary in this forum Can you point out my mistakes?

Thanks for the tip on the Himeji Tourist pass - I'll relook into the various passes. I thought the JR pass will cover my 'long' journeys (to Himeji, Hiroshima and then Odawara) as well as the JR train lines, so the other train fares will be relatively cheap but i'll relook into it.
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Thanks guys for the feedback.

From your feedback on Mount Rokko, i'll amend it to just roam around Kobe.

I wanted to start the trip with Osaka for 3 days (including USJ) then move to Kyoto but realized by doing that, USJ would fall on a Sunday. Hence i'm doing a day trip so USJ would fall on a Monday (4 Nov) and be less crowded. Does it make sense? Or is there a better solution?

Yeah I did reference to google maps and use Japan guide. I think i got overboard taking bits and pieces of people's itinerary in this forum Can you point out my mistakes?

Thanks for the tip on the Himeji Tourist pass - I'll relook into the various passes. I thought the JR pass will cover my 'long' journeys (to Himeji, Hiroshima and then Odawara) as well as the JR train lines, so the other train fares will be relatively cheap but i'll relook into it.
You are going to Hiroshima which is away from Tokyo then to Tokyo. Why don't you start your trip with Hiroshima? Hiroshima to Osaka to Kyoto to Tokyo. Or skip the stay in Kyoto and make day trips to Kyoto.

There are quite a few rail companies in Japan. The JR train station in the various cities may not be the most convenient. If you are doing Hiroshima and Tokyo, it probably make sense to get the JR pass.

There's the Hankyu which is less than S$10. You can use that to get to the Instant Noodles Museum + Arashiyama. From Arashiyama you can also go to Kawaramachi which is downtown Kyoto.

There are also several passes available for day trips to Himeji + Kobe or just Kobe. Kobe alone, the day pass is JPY 500.

There are also several type of passes for Osaka that includes the subway.

For Fushimi Inari Shrine, there's the Keihan pass.
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You are going to Hiroshima which is away from Tokyo then to Tokyo. Why don't you start your trip with Hiroshima? Hiroshima to Osaka to Kyoto to Tokyo. Or skip the stay in Kyoto and make day trips to Kyoto.

There are quite a few rail companies in Japan. The JR train station in the various cities may not be the most convenient. If you are doing Hiroshima and Tokyo, it probably make sense to get the JR pass.

There's the Hankyu which is less than S$10. You can use that to get to the Instant Noodles Museum + Arashiyama. From Arashiyama you can also go to Kawaramachi which is downtown Kyoto.

There are also several passes available for day trips to Himeji + Kobe or just Kobe. Kobe alone, the day pass is JPY 500.

There are also several type of passes for Osaka that includes the subway.

For Fushimi Inari Shrine, there's the Keihan pass.
Thanks. The various passes you gave are really helpful .

I'm arriving in Kansai Airport so it doesn't makes sense to go Hiroshima first if i'm using the JR pass?

My Osaka and Kyoto days are already 6+1 (kobe/himeji) day so if i'm getting the JR pass, i need to get the 14days one which is pricey.

Planned the trip such that the JR pass will cover all the long journeys. Maybe i'm missing something here?
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Thanks. The various passes you gave are really helpful .

I'm arriving in Kansai Airport so it doesn't makes sense to go Hiroshima first if i'm using the JR pass?

My Osaka and Kyoto days are already 6+1 (kobe/himeji) day so if i'm getting the JR pass, i need to get the 14days one which is pricey.

Planned the trip such that the JR pass will cover all the long journeys. Maybe i'm missing something here?
a one way ticket from osaka to tokyo on klook is approx. $188.
There's the option of 2 days JR West Kansai pass for JPY 4300 / $55 which you can use for Hiroshima.

you really have a lot to research on and plan.

you can also do kyoto first then osaka.
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a one way ticket from osaka to tokyo on klook is approx. $188.
There's the option of 2 days JR West Kansai pass for JPY 4300 / $55 which you can use for Hiroshima.

you really have a lot to research on and plan.

you can also do kyoto first then osaka.
JR kansai west pass doesn't cover Hiroshima. Or u referring to the kansai hiroshima pass? That one 13500yen for 5 days
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Hi Evilerniex,

How would you rearrange the itinerary if you were me?

Already have my air tickets booked to Kansai Airport and flying out from Haneda Airport.

Should I skip Hiroshima/Miyajima altogether as it seems to be out of the way?
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JR kansai west pass doesn't cover Hiroshima. Or u referring to the kansai hiroshima pass? That one 13500yen for 5 days
Yeah my bad. Not the Jr Kansai West pass but the Kansai Hiroshima pass.
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Hi Evilerniex,

How would you rearrange the itinerary if you were me?

Already have my air tickets booked to Kansai Airport and flying out from Haneda Airport.

Should I skip Hiroshima/Miyajima altogether as it seems to be out of the way?
You could do a day at Nara instead of at Hiroshima. Or you can do Nagoya.

Mt Takao is nice too, from Tokyo.
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Hi Evilerniex,

How would you rearrange the itinerary if you were me?

Already have my air tickets booked to Kansai Airport and flying out from Haneda Airport.

Should I skip Hiroshima/Miyajima altogether as it seems to be out of the way?
Like others have mentioned, some of ur days too packed. For example, day 1 if u touch down at 845am, by the time u clear immigration is probably abt 9:30 at least. And it takes 1hr to get to osaka from KIX. So it is not possible to check in at 10am. Traveling to cup noodle museum takes time to. Ikeda station is a bit out of the way, and need to walk a bit iirc.

I would take out Hiroshima. More time for other places. Especially since ur itinerary so packed, u probably wun be able to cover everything that u planned. So best to have more days and space things out

If u are cutting out Hiroshima. U will probably not require 7-day JR pass since u only making single trip from osaka to Tokyo.

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Since you're also going fuji-hakone, then just skip miyajima.

Then you won't need the 7d jr pass and can take nozomi shinkansen.
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Osaka 1 Nov and 2 Nov are both very ambitious.

Multiples sites and little time per site

Kyoto Nov 3also very crazy to me. Somemore Autumn daylight time very short maybe around 4pm will be pretty dark, so temples might not be enjoyable after 3pm?

Nov 5 Day Trip, Also very ambitious planning. Normally for Day Trip i will only do one city not both... Your planning is really touch and go, super rushing

Nov 7. Taxi from Arashiyama to Kinkakuji will cost quite a bit

Nov 8. Can scrap the whole thing already. Miyama without Itsukushima shrine will not be worthwhile to go. I been there so many times but now not going there again until they can finish renovation

Nov 9. as mentioned before Autumn very short daylight...So you go hakone open air museum when the it is night fall already. It is something like 8pm in Singapore type at 4pm-5pm
Best is go check when it is possible and enjoy the onsen facilities...
Not sure whether you got even time to do Lake Ashinoko (You going to do round course?)

Nov 10. not sure. Music Forest is not worth going. Only thing worthwhile is seeing Mount Fuji. But that must see your luck. So depends, you can check forecast on 9 Nov, if cloudy just skip whole thing and return to Tokyo.

Nov 11. Yoyogi Park not worthwhile going.

Nov 12 You should put skytree before Asakusa. They open at 8am. Skytree is also close to asakusa. Finish Asakusa by lunch time 9-12. Then go Ueno Park whole day, your plan seems quite weird to do only Ueno Park 1 hour? If seeing parks nothing much but it is the museums or zoo in the Park that people go...
Do Ueno Park + National Museum until 5pm. Then go for Dinner, Skip Shinjuku and also skip Kabukicho. If you want go Kabukicho, don't bring your girlfriend. I presume you know what is Kabukicho..red light

Nov 13 Very Very ambitious on your last day. 13 Nov wed is one of the "Off" day for Tsukiji outer market. So you might be disappointed...
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Osaka 1 Nov and 2 Nov are both very ambitious.

Multiples sites and little time per site

Kyoto Nov 3also very crazy to me. Somemore Autumn daylight time very short maybe around 4pm will be pretty dark, so temples might not be enjoyable after 3pm?

Nov 5 Day Trip, Also very ambitious planning. Normally for Day Trip i will only do one city not both... Your planning is really touch and go, super rushing

Nov 7. Taxi from Arashiyama to Kinkakuji will cost quite a bit

Nov 8. Can scrap the whole thing already. Miyama without Itsukushima shrine will not be worthwhile to go. I been there so many times but now not going there again until they can finish renovation

Nov 9. as mentioned before Autumn very short daylight...So you go hakone open air museum when the it is night fall already. It is something like 8pm in Singapore type at 4pm-5pm
Best is go check when it is possible and enjoy the onsen facilities...
Not sure whether you got even time to do Lake Ashinoko (You going to do round course?)

Nov 10. not sure. Music Forest is not worth going. Only thing worthwhile is seeing Mount Fuji. But that must see your luck. So depends, you can check forecast on 9 Nov, if cloudy just skip whole thing and return to Tokyo.

Nov 11. Yoyogi Park not worthwhile going.

Nov 12 You should put skytree before Asakusa. They open at 8am. Skytree is also close to asakusa. Finish Asakusa by lunch time 9-12. Then go Ueno Park whole day, your plan seems quite weird to do only Ueno Park 1 hour? If seeing parks nothing much but it is the museums or zoo in the Park that people go...
Do Ueno Park + National Museum until 5pm. Then go for Dinner, Skip Shinjuku and also skip Kabukicho. If you want go Kabukicho, don't bring your girlfriend. I presume you know what is Kabukicho..red light

Nov 13 Very Very ambitious on your last day. 13 Nov wed is one of the "Off" day for Tsukiji outer market. So you might be disappointed...
Thanks for the feedback guys. I've relaxed the itinerary.

I've replaced Hakone Open Air Museum with Lake Ashinoko. Is that okay? Can do either one.

Took away Ueno park and replaced it with Sumida park which is near Tokyo skytree.

Also moved Tsukiji outer market to 12 Nov (hopefully it's not their 'off' day?)

I'll get the one way jr pass or use Smart EX app to book discounted shinkansen ticket to Odawara for Hakone and i'll research more on the various passes in the meantime.

If you guys can share which passes are relevant and your 2 cents on the updated itinerary, i'll be most grateful

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