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Old 01-11-2018, 07:02 PM   #511
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Woah, those are a lot of questions, and quite a lengthy post. I'll try to answer them to the best of my ability...

However I do have a few other questions I need clarifications on. Advice would be nice.

1) Is it true that SOC only accepts members from odd numbered intakes? If it is yes that sia la because I am aiming to be a PTT or a K9 handler, and I am (obviously) from an even numbered intake
Unfortunately, you are right, SOC only accepts members from odd number intakes for PTT, you might still be in luck for K9 though. There is another way to go into PTT if you are from an odd intake, and that would be to qualify for OCC, but more on this later.

2) The test in CMPB will affect vocation selection or not? It is stated it is one of the factors taken into account ( but also possibly its an illusion of choice ) but I also heard that you will get another chance to pick your top 3 vocations for NS during POBC. Is this true or not?
I'm not too sure about this one, as when I enlisted I didn't have the vocation selection choice during my medical checkup. But you will get another choice when you are about a month away from Passing Out, so you shouldn't be too worried about this.

3) Would doing very well during POBC increases your chance of getting the vocation you want? What can I do in order to increase my chances of getting into desired vocations especially for PTT? I am guessing good ippt and shooting score is a must.
Definitely doing well during POBC will get you your desired vocation. Your "score" during POBC is determined by your final IPPT score (you will take 3 in the course of POBC), final shooting score, and the two law tests. The law tests are the easiest to score in my opinion, so definitely try to score there. For PTT, odd intakes will have a separate test. One day, closer to your POP date, there will be a bunch of vocations that will come down and interview you. SOC will have a fitness test, where you will have to complete a series of physical tests, one of them is pull ups, I can't remember off the top of my head what the number was to qualify.


4) PTT got any myopia restrictions?
They do, SOC requires you to get contacts, if you can't wear them, then they won't let you in.

All in all, I am very excited to enter into SPF NS and feel that I can survive in POBC without much issue, possibly even excel at it. However, what I am most worried about is life after POBC. I want to get into a vocation that I have great interest in as it means I will put in extra effort and thus enjoy myself more. It also makes sense as the vocation accounts for like 75% of NS life and if I get into one that I do not like. GG for me liao.

Although luckily PTT is not really a popular vocation ( I think?) so maybe got chance la.

For those interested in my vocation interest. they are:
3) GRF
2) K9 Handler
1) PTT

Although I do have a question. In the SAF there is the SCS and even OCS Those that do well get sent to those leadership schools. In the SPF, only like 0- 3 from each cohort get to go to OCC and there is no SCS equivalent for the SPF ( heck even SCDF has their SCC) . If so , then I wonder what would a PNSF gain from doing well in POBC? I am curious because without any substantial gain or rewards from doing well , people are more likely to chao keng and what not. Hence, I wonder what drives some PNSF to excel despite the ridiculously low chance of getting into OCC.

I know there is a lot of questions and I do apologize for them . Getting enlisted into SPF was a big surprise for me and I had to redo my research from scratch to understand what I should expect. Any advice or help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Doing well in POBC will affect your future vocations, as if you get a good score, you are likely to be a Team Leader's first pick into his/her team.

For Sergeant courses, there is a new course, where 'A' level/Diploma holders will have a chance to go for it, but you have to perform well enough in your vocation to get selected for it, or so they say.

You are correct, that there really isn't much going for PNSFs, which is why you will notice that halfway through, those who were initially the most "on", will start to lose motivation, as training is super long, 14-weeks, and you might lose motivation as well. For me, personally, although I had no intention of going into OCC, I set that as my end goal, to make sure I did well in POBC. It helped me stay motivated to do well, in the final IPPT, and Law test.

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Old 01-11-2018, 07:07 PM   #512
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I am not from SPF. This is how I feel.

POBC determine your posting such as OCC. So if going to OCC is not what you want, just do your POBC normally and you get to pass out as a Police Officer (PO).

However if you over chao keng (CK), you may end up in Vigilante Corps (VC) and not a PO. That why there is a limitation of how one will CK cause most rather be a PO than a VC.
Honestly, VC demotion is only for those super jialat cases; it rarely happens. like you stated, as long as you complete your POBC, and don't OOC, you should be fine...
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Woah, those are a lot of questions, and quite a lengthy post. I'll try to answer them to the best of my ability...



Unfortunately, you are right, SOC only accepts members from odd number intakes for PTT, you might still be in luck for K9 though. There is another way to go into PTT if you are from an odd intake, and that would be to qualify for OCC, but more on this later.



I'm not too sure about this one, as when I enlisted I didn't have the vocation selection choice during my medical checkup. But you will get another choice when you are about a month away from Passing Out, so you shouldn't be too worried about this.



Definitely doing well during POBC will get you your desired vocation. Your "score" during POBC is determined by your final IPPT score (you will take 3 in the course of POBC), final shooting score, and the two law tests. The law tests are the easiest to score in my opinion, so definitely try to score there. For PTT, odd intakes will have a separate test. One day, closer to your POP date, there will be a bunch of vocations that will come down and interview you. SOC will have a fitness test, where you will have to complete a series of physical tests, one of them is pull ups, I can't remember off the top of my head what the number was to qualify.




They do, SOC requires you to get contacts, if you can't wear them, then they won't let you in.



Doing well in POBC will affect your future vocations, as if you get a good score, you are likely to be a Team Leader's first pick into his/her team.

For Sergeant courses, there is a new course, where 'A' level/Diploma holders will have a chance to go for it, but you have to perform well enough in your vocation to get selected for it, or so they say.

You are correct, that there really isn't much going for PNSFs, which is why you will notice that halfway through, those who were initially the most "on", will start to lose motivation, as training is super long, 14-weeks, and you might lose motivation as well. For me, personally, although I had no intention of going into OCC, I set that as my end goal, to make sure I did well in POBC. It helped me stay motivated to do well, in the final IPPT, and Law test.

Wow. Thanks for this detailed reply. I want to be a PTT and in SOC because it is the closest thing in which I get to wield non-pistol/revolver firearms as I do have a great interest in them ( alongside the riot gear as well of course) .

I just however, found that the transcript for the graduation parade of 172nd intake states that:

11. In the days to come, many of you will undergo further training and specialisation before being deployed on the ground. Besides being deployed at the frontline Neighbourhood Police Centres, many of you will also be deployed in specialist units like the Police Coast Guard, Special Operations Command, the Protective Security Command, and the Public Transport Command.

(can't post link due to not enough posts but its on MHA website)

So not sure if they recently changed the rules or something ( especially with the formation with the Public Order Troops and also seeing photos of PTT with specs on ) but in the worst case scenairo, are there any other vocations that gives you a chance to train to use the mp5? The only other vocation I can think of is ProCom and even then it is very unlikely and only a few will be selected .

I figured that there will be something for those that do well in basic training. Ah well, I suppose I will still try my best and aim for OCC to have a chance of becoming a PTT. However, If I do fail at least I will try to work with the doggies or be a GRF

Once again, thank you for your help. Hopefully will get some good stories to share once I get in and out of the SPF! Are you a SPF regular by any chance because you seem to know a lot about the process.
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Old 01-11-2018, 08:31 PM   #514
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Wow. Thanks for this detailed reply. I want to be a PTT and in SOC because it is the closest thing in which I get to wield non-pistol/revolver firearms as I do have a great interest in them ( alongside the riot gear as well of course) .

I just however, found that the transcript for the graduation parade of 172nd intake states that:

11. In the days to come, many of you will undergo further training and specialisation before being deployed on the ground. Besides being deployed at the frontline Neighbourhood Police Centres, many of you will also be deployed in specialist units like the Police Coast Guard, Special Operations Command, the Protective Security Command, and the Public Transport Command.

(can't post link due to not enough posts but its on MHA website)

So not sure if they recently changed the rules or something ( especially with the formation with the Public Order Troops and also seeing photos of PTT with specs on ) but in the worst case scenairo, are there any other vocations that gives you a chance to train to use the mp5? The only other vocation I can think of is ProCom and even then it is very unlikely and only a few will be selected .

I figured that there will be something for those that do well in basic training. Ah well, I suppose I will still try my best and aim for OCC to have a chance of becoming a PTT. However, If I do fail at least I will try to work with the doggies or be a GRF

Once again, thank you for your help. Hopefully will get some good stories to share once I get in and out of the SPF! Are you a SPF regular by any chance because you seem to know a lot about the process.
I think that that is what they say at all POPs, it's a standard script.... The other vocation that train MP5 is PCG, but that's only if you go to the northern regions. During my NS time, PCG had the most amount of fire power, like even NSFs are trained. PCG will train you in M4, then if you get posted to the northern region, you get to fire the MP5.

I'm not a regular, I am a NSman now, I have ORD'd over a year ago at this point.....

Although a lot of stuff has changed, if you wish to know more about PCG, or just need more information on your Basic Police Training, feel free to PM me, and I will be able to go more in depth, as some things are classified, and I can't really share them on a public forum.

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Old 01-11-2018, 11:52 PM   #515
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Don't give up hope, if you are posted to Tekong, there is still a chance you can get into Police through OCC, majority of people in OCC are from the Army anyways, so....
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Old 05-11-2018, 05:35 AM   #516
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hey, I'll be in enlisting on the 13th nov, PTP (BP) batch, your guide has been really important to me, thank you!

I have a kiwi, but it's not those normal kind. its the Shine & Protect (looks like armpit roller), and im wondering if that is allowed?
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hey, I'll be in enlisting on the 13th nov, PTP (BP) batch, your guide has been really important to me, thank you!

I have a kiwi, but it's not those normal kind. its the Shine & Protect (looks like armpit roller), and im wondering if that is allowed?
I'd strongly suggest against bringing that, as that is instant shine, and will damage your boot. Get the normal kiwi, and if you are unsure of how to polish your boots, ask some of your bunk mates, or your field instructor, he will be happy to teach you...
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I'd strongly suggest against bringing that, as that is instant shine, and will damage your boot. Get the normal kiwi, and if you are unsure of how to polish your boots, ask some of your bunk mates, or your field instructor, he will be happy to teach you...

10 kiwi swipe
Rub on boots
Spray water on cloth
Rub on boots
Rinse n repeat until satisfied or lights out / whichever comes 1st
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If I signed on will I only get my IC back after I leave the force ?
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If I signed on will I only get my IC back after I leave the force ?
you mean that is a make or break for u to sign on???
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Old 05-11-2018, 10:12 PM   #521
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I got AOFI TRACOM...

Anyone know if its good? Is the pay similar to Staff Assistant/SMT?

Should I appeal? I have like until this coming Monday before my vocation is final...

Any help is appreciated...
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I'd strongly suggest against bringing that, as that is instant shine, and will damage your boot. Get the normal kiwi, and if you are unsure of how to polish your boots, ask some of your bunk mates, or your field instructor, he will be happy to teach you...
lucky i found a normal kiwi!

do you suppose i could store all the items im bringing in ziplock bags? maybe each bag for different category of items. i've got a duffle bag that can contain almost everything. planning to bring extra small bag to contain the other necessities. will make sure even when carrying both i'll still be agile and move my hands and such

i dont know how to handwash/use washing machine.. nonwhites = washing powder. whites = bleach (for white clothes). is that how you do it?
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hey, I'll be in enlisting on the 13th nov, PTP (BP) batch, your guide has been really important to me, thank you!

I have a kiwi, but it's not those normal kind. its the Shine & Protect (looks like armpit roller), and im wondering if that is allowed?

Looks like we will be in the same intake then. Will see you around in January
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So, I can understand how IPPT and shooting will be difficult to pass/excel. However, are the law lessons really that easy? I thought it will be more difficult because it covers everything on what and when a police officer can or cannot do stuff ( also I want to use NS to take a break from studying, don't want to spend all the nights studying some more).

and just a trivia question: are there any badges/patches to earn in the SPF? I know it is the only NS organisation without IPPT badges and they do not have any unit patches/ other skill badges unlike the SAF/ SCDF. The only one I have seen so far is the AOFI badge they wear in HTA.

Have there been ANY cases of people going to SOC in an even numbered intake, even if the number is 1. I may consider speaking to CM about it ( after I think I have sufficently proven myself of course) and look at alternative options of entering PTU

I am surprised to hear that PTU needs contact lenses as I have seen photos and even videos of PTU with their glasses on ( even when also wearing the gas mask) , but hey I guess I will find out when I get in.

and sorry, I cannot PM anyone yet due to my lack of post count but will try to ask questions that will not break OSA.

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lucky i found a normal kiwi!

do you suppose i could store all the items im bringing in ziplock bags? maybe each bag for different category of items. i've got a duffle bag that can contain almost everything. planning to bring extra small bag to contain the other necessities. will make sure even when carrying both i'll still be agile and move my hands and such

i dont know how to handwash/use washing machine.. nonwhites = washing powder. whites = bleach (for white clothes). is that how you do it?

Yes, store everything in ziploc bags. As for washing clothes the only clothes you'll probably wash are your PT kits. Which you can just use simple washing powder
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