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Old 06-04-2011, 05:35 PM   #16
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wah this is quite suay, but there are quite a number of ppl who face the same issue as u.
I know. So bo bian but to "tong" till 40 lor.
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Old 06-04-2011, 05:54 PM   #17
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Dont your unit got range? arent those low key?

or vocation refresher trainings?

i thought quoted from some ppl here, the amt of HK is more impt then LK?

my Unit only look at HK. They even specifically say 7 HK is the base requirement to MR.
Range is done during my ICT High Key on board the ship if any. Vocation Trainings? Nothing from my unit.

I dun care if amount of HK are more important. I met the required 7 x HKs back on Nov' 2009 and gotten my Hamilton Watch from RSN already. I am guessing my next HK would be somewhere next May (2012).

The reason why my unit stretch the intervals between each HK from average every 18 months to now average every 30 months was due to unit has too many NS Men yet they hold us back not allowing us to MR. Brigade level or whatever, they are going to continue to pay us for the HK (via Make-up Pay) and all the RTs/IPPTs sessions and though not a lot per person, the combine figures of so many NS Men is pretty big I guess right?
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Old 06-04-2011, 06:03 PM   #18
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Range is done during my ICT High Key on board the ship if any. Vocation Trainings? Nothing from my unit.

I dun care if amount of HK are more important. I met the required 7 x HKs back on Nov' 2009 and gotten my Hamilton Watch from RSN already. I am guessing my next HK would be somewhere next May (2012).

The reason why my unit stretch the intervals between each HK from average every 18 months to now average every 30 months was due to unit has too many NS Men yet they hold us back not allowing us to MR. Brigade level or whatever, they are going to continue to pay us for the HK (via Make-up Pay) and all the RTs/IPPTs sessions and though not a lot per person, the combine figures of so many NS Men is pretty big I guess right?
They don't call you back for ICT loh (then they no need to pay you make-up pay for ICT), and hold you until 40years old . Every year make you take IPPT until you reach 40years old.
IPPT/RT at most you get paid around $10+ per session .
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:51 PM   #19
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The interpretation are as follows:-

They are no longer called back for In-Camp Training (ICT)
You are not liable for training (ICT)/reservist during peace time.

but are still liable for NS
You will be activated to defend S'pore if there is a war.

MINDEF website quoted that 'MINDEF Reserve consists of NSmen who have completed their NS training cycle but have yet to reach the statutory age. They are no longer called back for In-Camp Training (ICT) but are still liable for NS'.

NSmen who step down from their unit are no longer called back for In-Camp Training (ICT) by their unit cause they are no longer part of the unit. They are now in MINDEF Reserve (MR) List.

Those who ORD & went overseas to study are under MINDEF Reserve (MR) List.

Since it is a Reserve List, anyone can dig them out for NS liable as long as they are not reach the statutory age such as those who went overseas for studies.

Are you sure?

When you MR, your unit will brief you on this.
Btw, have you know any NSmen being recall back for ICT after they have MR ? Don't have right?
I maybe wrong.

But I know a diver who inform me that all diver including himself have MR & step down after their 5th ICT. However got one time, he kena SAF100 asking him to report back to unit. Turn out he really needs to serve his NS even he have MR but he did not needs to attend IPPT every year like ROVER.

Not sure if he smoke me or not but I do not see the point he smoke me.

Any diver can confirm this?
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Old 06-04-2011, 07:55 PM   #20
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If you get your Watch mean you have already MR. You can check with your unit regrading this.


Range is done during my ICT High Key on board the ship if any. Vocation Trainings? Nothing from my unit.

I dun care if amount of HK are more important. I met the required 7 x HKs back on Nov' 2009 and gotten my Hamilton Watch from RSN already. I am guessing my next HK would be somewhere next May (2012).

The reason why my unit stretch the intervals between each HK from average every 18 months to now average every 30 months was due to unit has too many NS Men yet they hold us back not allowing us to MR. Brigade level or whatever, they are going to continue to pay us for the HK (via Make-up Pay) and all the RTs/IPPTs sessions and though not a lot per person, the combine figures of so many NS Men is pretty big I guess right?
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Old 06-04-2011, 11:16 PM   #21
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MINDEF website quoted that 'MINDEF Reserve consists of NSmen who have completed their NS training cycle but have yet to reach the statutory age. They are no longer called back for In-Camp Training (ICT) but are still liable for NS'.

NSmen who step down from their unit are no longer called back for In-Camp Training (ICT) by their unit cause they are no longer part of the unit. They are now in MINDEF Reserve (MR) List.

Those who ORD & went overseas to study are under MINDEF Reserve (MR) List.

Since it is a Reserve List, anyone can dig them out for NS liable as long as they are not reach the statutory age such as those who went overseas for studies.



I maybe wrong.

But I know a diver who inform me that all diver including himself have MR & step down after their 5th ICT. However got one time, he kena SAF100 asking him to report back to unit. Turn out he really needs to serve his NS even he have MR but he did not needs to attend IPPT every year like ROVER.

Not sure if he smoke me or not but I do not see the point he smoke me.

Any diver can confirm this?
hello, those who ord already go study and those already completed their ict cycles of course different lah....those who go study after their ord definitely hv to serve their remaining ict liabilities after their studies. those who MR after completing their ict cycles what for mindef ask them go back again for ict? i'm really in doubt of your NS knowledge.
MR after 5 ict? unless he is already 40 yr old after his 5th ict or he got medical/health problem, if not only naive people believe and you are definitely being smoked by him.

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Old 06-04-2011, 11:32 PM   #22
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talking about MR.

Sorry, you are ineligible for IPPT due to Type of Service (e.g MINDEF Reserve or NS Disruption).

Please check with your UNIT for further clarification and verification on your IPPT/RT/IPPT Prep Trg eligibility.

You may also contact our eServices Centre for assistance.
Am i now on MR? Tried to take ippt again for free money but wasnt allow to do so.
Haben receive my letter yet leh.
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Old 07-04-2011, 10:07 AM   #23
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I know. So bo bian but to "tong" till 40 lor.
i dun mind going ICT till 40, but just because cannot MR, every year have to take IPPT, if pass is ok, if fail then always have to RT till age 40, which is very the SIAN!! and waste time.

ICT is ok for me but IPPT is sh!t
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Old 07-04-2011, 10:15 AM   #24
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i dun mind going ICT till 40, but just because cannot MR, every year have to take IPPT, if pass is ok, if fail then always have to RT till age 40, which is very the SIAN!! and waste time.

ICT is ok for me but IPPT is sh!t

....bo bian.
Anyway I kindda miss ICT, can take a break away from work and still get paid. Now MR liao is all work and work and work...........more sian
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Old 07-04-2011, 10:43 AM   #25
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....bo bian.
Anyway I kindda miss ICT, can take a break away from work and still get paid. Now MR liao is all work and work and work...........more sian
Ya, I totally agree with you. Actually I am looking forward to every ICT/Reservist and hope that the SAF100 is at least 3 weeks ICT. Can get away from 'Saikang' work and relax in ICT and get paid. I really dun mind if mindef/SAF activate me for ICT for a maximum of total 40 days per year. I would be more happy to do the ICT.

Yes work n work is very sian. I personally feel that I can totally relax in the camp and sleep very well in the duration of ICT. When go back to work, would feel very sian, and everyday can't sleep well, or sleep with stress think what saikang will be there the next day!! Totally sian!

1 more thing, serve ICT got higher tax rebate than those not serving ICT for that year.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:23 PM   #26
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They don't call you back for ICT loh (then they no need to pay you make-up pay for ICT), and hold you until 40years old . Every year make you take IPPT until you reach 40years old.
IPPT/RT at most you get paid around $10+ per session .
Well, I am waiting to see what is going to happened the next 3+ years before I turned 40
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:25 PM   #27
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If you get your Watch mean you have already MR. You can check with your unit regrading this.
Got watch mean I MR? I got it on my 7th High Key wor. I still "owe" SAF 2 Low Keys. I have checked with my unit and they said still have to wait lor.

When I tried to argue with them with the fact that it's unit dun have low keys anymore and not I defer them yet nothing much I can do right?
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:31 PM   #28
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i dun mind going ICT till 40, but just because cannot MR, every year have to take IPPT, if pass is ok, if fail then always have to RT till age 40, which is very the SIAN!! and waste time.

ICT is ok for me but IPPT is sh!t
Same for me, I dun mind even extending ICT beyond 40 since my ICT are usually very easy one and ocassionally (so far only) free ROC (Gao Shiung) trip and can get out of work and rest for a while.

IPPT/E-IPT/RTs are the thing that bother us.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:36 PM   #29
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....bo bian.
Anyway I kindda miss ICT, can take a break away from work and still get paid. Now MR liao is all work and work and work...........more sian
As I mentioned, it's not ICT I am worry about.. I want MR coz I dun wanna IPPT/E-IPT/RT every year.

I am from Navy and I am from CR squandron which means I am on-board Navy-leased Merchant Ship and the Ship has her own crews. My vocation is a Mechanic. And we are there for at most 2-3 weeks. Those Engineers on board would not let us touch much unless really need our help or if we make things worse, we leave 2-3 weeks later and they got to clear the "mess" we might have left behind.

For me, ICT is a relaxing event. Even if local ICT, there bound to be at least a 1 night "International Cruise to Nowhere (South China Sea)" unless the Ship is in bad condition and cannot sail which happened once so far.
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i dun mind going ICT till 40, but just because cannot MR, every year have to take IPPT, if pass is ok, if fail then always have to RT till age 40, which is very the SIAN!! and waste time.

ICT is ok for me but IPPT is sh!t
hahaha, yeah it totally **** for those who are liable for IPPT and can't pass it. Afew of my reservist mate in the end throw money to get specialist letter and go for downgrade to excuse IPPT.....
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