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Didactus 04-01-2017 05:26 PM

Never get SPF, can I apply again ?
 
After a few months of interview, medical and waiting, I just got the email that my application for SPF Direct Entry Sergeant was unsuccessful. I am quite upset because this is something I wanted and I know there will be challenges and a lot of **** if I did manage to get but it is still very disappointing. Now I am not sure what to do. I finish serving 2 years army few months ago and I feel my experience in the army will help (regimentally).

Honestly, I still want to give it a try so can I apply again. If so, how long ? Is there any way to know why I was rejected ? My friend who is regular say once you pass interview phase you are basically in unless something wrong with medical (which I went and after that they told me I can go home, so I'm not sure whether I pass or fail).

Also, additional question, if cannot re-apply, I am planning to sign ICA. What are the difference between SPF and ICA ? I don't have friends in ICA so I cannot get any reliable opinions. What are the challenges both in training and in posting ?

mesmeriz3 04-01-2017 05:56 PM

It's difficult to fail medical unless you have some major illness that they detected. Are u medically fit from the last time u checked during NS?
Typically, you can only apply after 6 months from the date u got rejected/date u applied to spf (i cant recall). I don't think u can find out why u failed, unless its the medical checkup component that u failed. Maybe try calling the medical centre to retrieve your records?

Lastly, why do u want to apply to ICA if u don't know what ICA does?

reddevil0728 04-01-2017 06:51 PM

Go be military police or those auxiliary police?

Didactus 04-01-2017 07:55 PM

@mesmeriz3 Before ORD, all the medical checks I managed to pass. A friend once told me family medical background can affect. I seem to be medically fit but my dad is diabetic. Could this affect ?

Also, apologies if this sounds rude but I see ICA as alternative to SPF. It was always a plan for ICA to be a backup but I foolishly thought not to do more research cos a lot of my friends say as long as you are medically fit and no criminal record, once you pass interview, should be good. Another reason, is some of my NS friends are also planning on ICA (I know, not a particularly good reason. But in my defence, I am planning on SPF, ICA even without them).

A friend of my friend also said that ICA is like SPF but with more paperwork and less/no fieldwork. But like I said, I don't consider this a strong source and would rather have opinions and advice from someone who is already in ICA.

Didactus 04-01-2017 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 105617819)
Go be military police or those auxiliary police?

Auxiliary police is also one of my option if ICA I cannot get.

As for MP, I spent two years chiong in army. Yes, it changed me for the better and I have fond memories, but no I don't want to go back to army hahaha.

reddevil0728 04-01-2017 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Didactus (Post 105618703)
@mesmeriz3 Before ORD, all the medical checks I managed to pass. A friend once told me family medical background can affect. I seem to be medically fit but my dad is diabetic. Could this affect ?

Also, apologies if this sounds rude but I see ICA as alternative to SPF. It was always a plan for ICA to be a backup but I foolishly thought not to do more research cos a lot of my friends say as long as you are medically fit and no criminal record, once you pass interview, should be good. Another reason, is some of my NS friends are also planning on ICA (I know, not a particularly good reason. But in my defence, I am planning on SPF, ICA even without them).

A friend of my friend also said that ICA is like SPF but with more paperwork and less/no fieldwork. But like I said, I don't consider this a strong source and would rather have opinions and advice from someone who is already in ICA.

Why don't you ask your friend how he knows family medical background can affect?

It's a job after all. if you have that kind of mindset for any job, then you jialat liao.

why you so fixated about uniform service?

AsHEs_DeviLzz 04-01-2017 09:56 PM

Hey bro, i same with you sia, today received and got unsuccessful also.. Are you thinking of applying again?

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mesmeriz3 04-01-2017 10:11 PM

I dont think your dad being diabetic is a strong enough reason for them to reject you. Dad diabetic doesn't mean you will get. Anyway. if i remember correctly, going for medical doesn't mean you passed the final interview. (I applied as SIO before and this was mentioned)


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Originally Posted by Didactus (Post 105618703)
@mesmeriz3 Before ORD, all the medical checks I managed to pass. A friend once told me family medical background can affect. I seem to be medically fit but my dad is diabetic. Could this affect ?

Also, apologies if this sounds rude but I see ICA as alternative to SPF. It was always a plan for ICA to be a backup but I foolishly thought not to do more research cos a lot of my friends say as long as you are medically fit and no criminal record, once you pass interview, should be good. Another reason, is some of my NS friends are also planning on ICA (I know, not a particularly good reason. But in my defence, I am planning on SPF, ICA even without them).

A friend of my friend also said that ICA is like SPF but with more paperwork and less/no fieldwork. But like I said, I don't consider this a strong source and would rather have opinions and advice from someone who is already in ICA.


Didactus 04-01-2017 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AsHEs_DeviLzz (Post 105620782)
Hey bro, i same with you sia, today received and got unsuccessful also.. Are you thinking of applying again?

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Yea really disappointed. Definitely will but if what mesmeriz3 say is true, that you have to wait 6 months since kena reject then I apply ICA or find full-time job first cos still need support family. cannot do that with part-time job pay. Maybe in the future I will try again.

Didactus 04-01-2017 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mesmeriz3 (Post 105621031)
I dont think your dad being diabetic is a strong enough reason for them to reject you. Dad diabetic doesn't mean you will get. Anyway. if i remember correctly, going for medical doesn't mean you passed the final interview. (I applied as SIO before and this was mentioned)

Hmm I see, then I guess if I rejected cos of interview that's good cos that means I can improve it. If medical or health issue very hard to change.

Didactus 04-01-2017 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 105619024)
Why don't you ask your friend how he knows family medical background can affect?

It's a job after all. if you have that kind of mindset for any job, then you jialat liao.

why you so fixated about uniform service?

The way he explained it is: police help pay for healthcare = if father diabetic = i could be diabetic if it runs in family = police need to pay healthcare (which is a lot for diabetic sufferers). I don't know if this is entirely true but it made sense to me.

As for uniform service, it is for personal reason. Army really change me for the better I need the regimental environment to be productive. I don't like it but I need it. I had problems contributing to the family before ns but during ns totally change. but now few months after ord i feel like i'm rotting at home wasting space again, jumping from part-time job to part-time job. Uniform service is not the ideal life but it's stable for me. And my platoon sergeant said something that stuck with me until now "You don't have to like it, you just have to do it"

duhduhduh 04-01-2017 11:44 PM

Why dont you consider signing on?

Since you are signing for Sergeant, I suppose it is with Diploma? I dont think theres much paperwork to do for ICA Junior Officers, mainly just ops (shiftwork) and possibly OT

duhduhduh 04-01-2017 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Didactus (Post 105622477)
The way he explained it is: police help pay for healthcare = if father diabetic = i could be diabetic if it runs in family = police need to pay healthcare (which is a lot for diabetic sufferers). I don't know if this is entirely true but it made sense to me.

As for uniform service, it is for personal reason. Army really change me for the better I need the regimental environment to be productive. I don't like it but I need it. I had problems contributing to the family before ns but during ns totally change. but now few months after ord i feel like i'm rotting at home wasting space again, jumping from part-time job to part-time job. Uniform service is not the ideal life but it's stable for me. And my platoon sergeant said something that stuck with me until now "You don't have to like it, you just have to do it"

Erm bro, the highlighted parted does not make sense at all. What you are saying is "family genetic diseases" but there is no clear scientific evidence that supports that.

Do you have any disciplinary/offence problems in the past?

Didactus 04-01-2017 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by duhduhduh (Post 105622518)
Why dont you consider signing on?

Since you are signing for Sergeant, I suppose it is with Diploma? I dont think theres much paperwork to do for ICA Junior Officers, mainly just ops (shiftwork) and possibly OT

Yea both SPF and ICA that I mentioned I plan to sign on

Didactus 04-01-2017 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by duhduhduh (Post 105622568)
Erm bro, the highlighted parted does not make sense at all. What you are saying is "family genetic diseases" but there is no clear scientific evidence that supports that.

Do you have any disciplinary/offence problems in the past?

I'm not familiar with all the science hahaha so yeah my friend explained it, it made sense to me and I was just theorising why I was rejected. It could be for a whole other reason idk. I'm pretty sure the selection procedure is some atas classified level.

disciplinary/ offence problems, none at all. I am as clean as it gets haha and medically fit too. So I think it could either be my interview or some medical thing I'm not aware of


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