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Krishina_ATEC 16-02-2020 07:04 PM

Apparent spreading of misinformation with regards to use of 99%IPA in the forum.
 
I will like to report this user, enigmastar for posting misinformation with regards to DIY hand sanitizers using Industrial 99%IPA in the forum.
User information: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/users/383075/

The reason why I am raising this matter is because with the current COVID-19 situation here, I feel that users have to be responsible with what they posts here. With the shortage of hand sanitizers here, there are already numerous reports that people are buying up IPAs to be repurposed as sanitizer hand rubs.

The use of Industrial 99% IPA to be repurposed as DIY hand sanitizers involves risks that must be clearly defined and understood. Not to mention the exact method to safely dilute and store the IPA. Most people out there have no idea how to handle such large amounts of industrial 99% IPA and such miss-information may cause injuries or health issues.

There is a difference between pre-diluted 70%IPA and industrial 99%IPA as the article below points to:
https://www.asiaone.com/lifestyle/4-...hand-sanitiser
“3. ANTISEPTIC - ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL also known as rubbing alcohol, it is a clear, flammable liquid that belongs to the same family of compounds as alcoholic drinks. 70 per cent concentration is used as medical antiseptic solutions as it is not too harsh to the skin. Higher percentages (i.e. 99 per cent Isopropyl alcohol), are only meant for household cleaning and disinfecting solutions.”

Below is my explanation on why the said user(Enigmastar) is spreading misinformation in the forum with regards to this matter"

Initial assessment that said user is unfamiliar with Industrial 99% IPA.
Below is the transcript of this user’s posts in this thread. https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...r-6206172.html

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...8-post180.html
“Anyone know how much percentage of alcohol in those industrial IPA stored metal container sold by hardware shop?”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...3-post194.html
“Same container but no tiger brand. No brand , only put safety data sticker in front. Anyway to test the content?”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...2-post195.html
“This type https://obbo.sg/facilities-cleaning-...-i4972500.html”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...4-post196.html
“How to tell?”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...5-post201.html
“Ya i going to diy. I already bought the industrial ipa from nearby hardware shop and place it in my company fireproof cabinet. 18l for 40 dollar , just like the picture in my link. Just that i don't know the alcohol content. Tiger brand is 99.8% base on horme storepage. The nobrand i bought i dunoe how much percentage.”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...0-post203.html
“The seller also duno de. The tiger brand also don't list the percentage on its label. Only can know the percentage based on hormes page product specifications.”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...6-post235.html
“Thanks for the information. So can presume its 99% ipa already.
I going to make alot cause its for the whole company. In fact i bought 2 x 18 lL. Haha.
No choice my colleagues all use hand sanitizer like water especially the ladies. Open one door sanitizer 1 time . Toilet nearby can wash hand still prefer to use hand sanitizer. Visitor come in also ask them to sanitize their hand. The 12 bottle of hand sanitizer i ship over , i think can only last 2 weeks max.”


Based on what this user had posted, the queries this user raised, the absence of explanations on the risks and health hazards with handling the chemical and verified methodology of how to mix the chemical with other different ingredients. There was also no indication of how to dilute the 99% IPA to usable levels of 70% IPA by this user. This indicated that the said user had no knowledge of what he or she is doing and definitely not a certified chemist that has experience with chemicals.

Having concluded that the said user is unqualified to give advice on the matter of DIY hand sanitizers using 99%IPA, the said user is now seemingly advocating the use of 99% industrial IPA in DIY hand sanitizer rub in another thread with no details and credible facts.
Thread of interest:https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...o-6209625.html

Below is the transcript of this user’s post in the mentioned thread.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...79-post12.html
“Ownself go make. https://youtu.be/-mq3X2Eo0KY”"
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...16-post17.html
“Can get industrial ipa 99% 18L for $42 at hardwareshop easily.”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...90-post46.html
“Sanitizer/disinfectant (not hand sanitizer) just go any industrial estate hardware shop have liao e.g tuas , changi , paya lebar)”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...95-post94.html
“Of cause if can buy it off the shelf is better. But i don't like supporting reseller or queueing to buy so diy better.
TVBS taiwan reported on diy sanitizer method along with its expert recommendations. https://youtu.be/XmIU8vXqtq4”


I attempted to seek clarification for the said person’s posts in the thread. Link to my post: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...00-post75.html
https://i.ibb.co/yfznf2W/Untitled-1.jpg

But instead of addressing my concerns on the matter, the said user refused to clarify his position on the matter for the benefit of everyone reading the thread. The youtube videos the said user posted are not credible to me and adds to the confusion without proper explanation.
The said user’s claims of explaining the uses of IPA in another thread is also false, as I could not find any posts this said user made to clearly define the general usage, risks and health hazards with regards to the use of industrial 99% IPA.

Said User's reply to my query for clarification.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...87-post84.html
“Sorry i don't think i need to spend any time to explain to clone. I believe u have already searched my post history and i have already shared about the uses of ipa in another thread .
Please use back your already unbanned account then we talk ok?”


With reference to moderator’s thread on posting responsibility to avoid misleading others: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...s-6191463.html
and to this updated post: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...8-post130.html
The absence of credible material to support this user’s claims, lack of choice words such as “Should”, “Would”, “Could” and general context of the said posts, indicates to me that this user’s intentions for his or her posts in this thread is not to create a discussion point or opinion, but to reiterate what the said user's post are facts. The reiteration of half truths due to lack of knowledge by this user is misleading to me.

While people should do their due diligence, and do proper research before believing what an anonymous person with no actual prove of credentials is posting here, the weight of responsibility will still fall to the person who is spreading the information. That is why we have POFMA.

To conclude, I personally felt that the said user (enigmastar) had contravened forum rules by deliberately spreading misinformation with regards to the safe use of industrial 99% IPA, and urge forum moderators to investigate and do the necessary to prevent such misinformation in the forum. This is for the benefit of all users and readers of this forum.

enigmastar 17-02-2020 02:54 AM

LOL nice try.

Please go read this thread and ask the mod to ban everyone there. Just read the first post can liao

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...r-6206172.html

Please stop wasting Mod time to read such a long story to get your vengeance on me.

harky 17-02-2020 07:41 AM

:s13::s13::(:(

KouAnKyuuKa 17-02-2020 09:00 AM

Ignore this guy. He was the one who went against Travel Advisory for MFA and encouraged people to go HK when the area was going through Riots. He has a knack for spreading half-truths. :s13:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krishina_ATEC (Post 125200754)
I will like to report this user, enigmastar for posting misinformation with regards to DIY hand sanitizers using Industrial 99%IPA in the forum.
User information: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/users/383075/

The reason why I am raising this matter is because with the current COVID-19 situation here, I feel that users have to be responsible with what they posts here. With the shortage of hand sanitizers here, there are already numerous reports that people are buying up IPAs to be repurposed as sanitizer hand rubs.

The use of Industrial 99% IPA to be repurposed as DIY hand sanitizers involves risks that must be clearly defined and understood. Not to mention the exact method to safely dilute and store the IPA. Most people out there have no idea how to handle such large amounts of industrial 99% IPA and such miss-information may cause injuries or health issues.

There is a difference between pre-diluted 70%IPA and industrial 99%IPA as the article below points to:
https://www.asiaone.com/lifestyle/4-...hand-sanitiser
“3. ANTISEPTIC - ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL also known as rubbing alcohol, it is a clear, flammable liquid that belongs to the same family of compounds as alcoholic drinks. 70 per cent concentration is used as medical antiseptic solutions as it is not too harsh to the skin. Higher percentages (i.e. 99 per cent Isopropyl alcohol), are only meant for household cleaning and disinfecting solutions.”

Below is my explanation on why the said user(Enigmastar) is spreading misinformation in the forum with regards to this matter"

Initial assessment that said user is unfamiliar with Industrial 99% IPA.
Below is the transcript of this user’s posts in this thread. https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...r-6206172.html

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...8-post180.html
“Anyone know how much percentage of alcohol in those industrial IPA stored metal container sold by hardware shop?”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...3-post194.html
“Same container but no tiger brand. No brand , only put safety data sticker in front. Anyway to test the content?”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...2-post195.html
“This type https://obbo.sg/facilities-cleaning-...-i4972500.html”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...4-post196.html
“How to tell?”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...5-post201.html
“Ya i going to diy. I already bought the industrial ipa from nearby hardware shop and place it in my company fireproof cabinet. 18l for 40 dollar , just like the picture in my link. Just that i don't know the alcohol content. Tiger brand is 99.8% base on horme storepage. The nobrand i bought i dunoe how much percentage.”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...0-post203.html
“The seller also duno de. The tiger brand also don't list the percentage on its label. Only can know the percentage based on hormes page product specifications.”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...6-post235.html
“Thanks for the information. So can presume its 99% ipa already.
I going to make alot cause its for the whole company. In fact i bought 2 x 18 lL. Haha.
No choice my colleagues all use hand sanitizer like water especially the ladies. Open one door sanitizer 1 time . Toilet nearby can wash hand still prefer to use hand sanitizer. Visitor come in also ask them to sanitize their hand. The 12 bottle of hand sanitizer i ship over , i think can only last 2 weeks max.”


Based on what this user had posted, the queries this user raised, the absence of explanations on the risks and health hazards with handling the chemical and verified methodology of how to mix the chemical with other different ingredients. There was also no indication of how to dilute the 99% IPA to usable levels of 70% IPA by this user. This indicated that the said user had no knowledge of what he or she is doing and definitely not a certified chemist that has experience with chemicals.

Having concluded that the said user is unqualified to give advice on the matter of DIY hand sanitizers using 99%IPA, the said user is now seemingly advocating the use of 99% industrial IPA in DIY hand sanitizer rub in another thread with no details and credible facts.
Thread of interest:https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...o-6209625.html

Below is the transcript of this user’s post in the mentioned thread.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...79-post12.html
“Ownself go make. https://youtu.be/-mq3X2Eo0KY”"
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...16-post17.html
“Can get industrial ipa 99% 18L for $42 at hardwareshop easily.”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...90-post46.html
“Sanitizer/disinfectant (not hand sanitizer) just go any industrial estate hardware shop have liao e.g tuas , changi , paya lebar)”
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...95-post94.html
“Of cause if can buy it off the shelf is better. But i don't like supporting reseller or queueing to buy so diy better.
TVBS taiwan reported on diy sanitizer method along with its expert recommendations. https://youtu.be/XmIU8vXqtq4”


I attempted to seek clarification for the said person’s posts in the thread. Link to my post: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...00-post75.html
https://i.ibb.co/yfznf2W/Untitled-1.jpg

But instead of addressing my concerns on the matter, the said user refused to clarify his position on the matter for the benefit of everyone reading the thread. The youtube videos the said user posted are not credible to me and adds to the confusion without proper explanation.
The said user’s claims of explaining the uses of IPA in another thread is also false, as I could not find any posts this said user made to clearly define the general usage, risks and health hazards with regards to the use of industrial 99% IPA.

Said User's reply to my query for clarification.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...87-post84.html
“Sorry i don't think i need to spend any time to explain to clone. I believe u have already searched my post history and i have already shared about the uses of ipa in another thread .
Please use back your already unbanned account then we talk ok?”


With reference to moderator’s thread on posting responsibility to avoid misleading others: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...s-6191463.html
and to this updated post: https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...8-post130.html
The absence of credible material to support this user’s claims, lack of choice words such as “Should”, “Would”, “Could” and general context of the said posts, indicates to me that this user’s intentions for his or her posts in this thread is not to create a discussion point or opinion, but to reiterate what the said user's post are facts. The reiteration of half truths due to lack of knowledge by this user is misleading to me.

While people should do their due diligence, and do proper research before believing what an anonymous person with no actual prove of credentials is posting here, the weight of responsibility will still fall to the person who is spreading the information. That is why we have POFMA.

To conclude, I personally felt that the said user (enigmastar) had contravened forum rules by deliberately spreading misinformation with regards to the safe use of industrial 99% IPA, and urge forum moderators to investigate and do the necessary to prevent such misinformation in the forum. This is for the benefit of all users and readers of this forum.


enigmastar 17-02-2020 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KouAnKyuuKa (Post 125209066)
Ignore this guy. He was the one who went against Travel Advisory for MFA and encouraged people to go HK when the area was going through Riots. He has a knack for spreading half-truths. :s13:

Ok we ignore the clone of your best friend eclipsemint :)

Last post here don't want waste Mod time here.

KouAnKyuuKa 17-02-2020 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigmastar (Post 125210065)
Ok we ignore the clone of your best friend eclipsemint :)

Last post here don't want waste Mod time here.

Clone or not, it's not up to you to decide.

Waste of time or not, it also not up to you to decide.

Those are the responsibilities of the mod. Not yours.

Krishina_ATEC 17-02-2020 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigmastar (Post 125207480)
LOL nice try.

Please go read this thread and ask the mod to ban everyone there. Just read the first post can liao

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/e...r-6206172.html

Please stop wasting Mod time to read such a long story to get your vengeance on me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigmastar (Post 125210065)
Ok we ignore the clone of your best friend eclipsemint :)

Last post here don't want waste Mod time here.

Your claims of me being a clone of this user eclipsemint is unfounded. Therefore your assertion that this report is lodged against you because of vengeance is ludicrous.

Distractions aside, the reason why I lodged a report against you is because you are telling everyone to buy Industrial grade 99% IPA when you yourself are terribly ignorant of certain important facts relating to this chemical, which is dangerous and misleading.

You will know why I lodge this report against you soon in the hand sanitizer thread which you are active in.

enigmastar 17-02-2020 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krishina_ATEC (Post 125223989)
Your claims of me being a clone of this user eclipsemint is unfounded. Therefore your assertion that this report is lodged against you because of vengeance is ludicrous.

Distractions aside, the reason why I lodged a report against you is because you are telling everyone to buy Industrial grade 99% IPA when you yourself are terribly ignorant of certain important facts relating to this chemical, which is dangerous and misleading.

You will know why I lodge this report against you soon in the hand sanitizer thread which you are active in.

Please do whatever you and ur buddy want to do and don't waste other people time. Thank you.

MikeDirnt78 17-02-2020 11:23 PM

Too long, I didn't read everything.

I think the intention of the post is very important.

enigmastar's intention was to share some DIY methods. I don't think it is his intention to spread misinformation.

What is the worst possible outcome from the DIY method? Can anyone die or lose any limb handling the IPA?

Cryophoenix 17-02-2020 11:26 PM

If I used Hennessy VSOP as hand sanitizer, still ok?

Krishina_ATEC 18-02-2020 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeDirnt78 (Post 125224340)
Too long, I didn't read everything.

I think the intention of the post is very important.

enigmastar's intention was to share some DIY methods. I don't think it is his intention to spread misinformation.

What is the worst possible outcome from the DIY method? Can anyone die or lose any limb handling the IPA?

To put in simply, I felt that it was irresponsible of him to go around telling people to buy that type of IPA when he himself does not know anything about it.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...7-post394.html
you can refer to this post I made.

I have to reiterate that I did not target him specifically like he claimed.

enigmastar 18-02-2020 10:21 AM

Please go read that thread again, i think the users there have responded your accusations quite well.

Anyway thanks for spending the time and effort. I hope you get what you want.

Really last post. Any other query you can post it in that thread unless your sole purpose is to report me then by all means continue here but i will not response and let admin decide. Thanks.

Krishina_ATEC 18-02-2020 12:52 PM

Posting replies to my clarifications and other posts by said person enigmastar in the thread for record purposes.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...7-post398.html
Thanks for spending your time to write this composition and also spend time to write in the feedback forum to report me, Clone of eclipse mint lol
I did not tell everyone to use 99% alcohol directly on hands, i think everyone knows here that we need to dilute it based on the formula given in the first post and widely available formula online.
Also i did not tell anyone to go use industrial ipa, its only for those who unable to find alcohol or the price is too high for them so i suggested an alternative. Buying Cheap thing always come with a risk, no stomachs for it, please don't.
Btw this is a diy thread, if you feel its risky, not safe, by all means go buy off the shelf product.
I hope this is the end of your attempt to "debunk " what we trying to do in this thread. If you don't agree, by all mean start a new thread or buy off the shelf. No one is forcing anyone here.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...0-post405.html
Thanks for the update WussRedXli.
I think everyone here know that if the product is readily available and reasonable priced, everyone will buy it .
The situation now is everywhere OOS or overpriced so we have to look for alternative.
Its the same with mask, why everyone is buying mask from Indonesia and Vietnam when clearly the production of mask from these sources is dubious?
Is that we have no other choice.
Same with diy hand sanitizer. If anyone not comfortable with diy stuff, just buy it off the shelf if they can find it or willing to pay more.
I don't know what is the intention of someone to go report to feedback forum. Its the same behaviour of someone who had been activetly posting in hk forum to debunk others then got banned and abandoned that account , then use this current account to keep posting in that hk thread. He was famous for reporting to police, writing long letter to admin and ministry . Lol.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...3-post434.html
Hey don't waste people time la. Just see the 1st post of this thread ok, didn't it say mix with aloe vera? Since when did any user here say pour 99% not mixed on hand? You nothing to do , please go start another thread with your long essay. Nobody here even brother to answer u directly, just show how absurd your thinking is.
If you still think i do anything wrong , please go report straight to admin or call police as you usually do.

(23/02/2020)
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...1-post623.html
99% can dilute it using water or aloe vera to make it 70%

KouAnKyuuKa 18-02-2020 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krishina_ATEC (Post 125232259)
Posting replies to my clarifications and other posts by said person enigmastar in the thread for record purposes.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...7-post398.html
Thanks for spending your time to write this composition and also spend time to write in the feedback forum to report me, Clone of eclipse mint lol
I did not tell everyone to use 99% alcohol directly on hands, i think everyone knows here that we need to dilute it based on the formula given in the first post and widely available formula online.
Also i did not tell anyone to go use industrial ipa, its only for those who unable to find alcohol or the price is too high for them so i suggested an alternative. Buying Cheap thing always come with a risk, no stomachs for it, please don't.
Btw this is a diy thread, if you feel its risky, not safe, by all means go buy off the shelf product.
I hope this is the end of your attempt to "debunk " what we trying to do in this thread. If you don't agree, by all mean start a new thread or buy off the shelf. No one is forcing anyone here.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...0-post405.html
Thanks for the update WussRedXli.
I think everyone here know that if the product is readily available and reasonable priced, everyone will buy it .
The situation now is everywhere OOS or overpriced so we have to look for alternative.
Its the same with mask, why everyone is buying mask from Indonesia and Vietnam when clearly the production of mask from these sources is dubious?
Is that we have no other choice.
Same with diy hand sanitizer. If anyone not comfortable with diy stuff, just buy it off the shelf if they can find it or willing to pay more.
I don't know what is the intention of someone to go report to feedback forum. Its the same behaviour of someone who had been activetly posting in hk forum to debunk others then got banned and abandoned that account , then use this current account to keep posting in that hk thread. He was famous for reporting to police, writing long letter to admin and ministry . Lol.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/1...3-post434.html
Hey don't waste people time la. Just see the 1st post of this thread ok, didn't it say mix with aloe vera? Since when did any user here say pour 99% not mixed on hand? You nothing to do , please go start another thread with your long essay. Nobody here even brother to answer u directly, just show how absurd your thinking is.
If you still think i do anything wrong , please go report straight to admin or call police as you usually do.

do what I do, put him on the naughty list.

when you feel like it, read his replies. Only when you feel like it.


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