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Old 13-11-2008, 06:13 PM   #2131
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Well I got myself Asus EEE PC for about $450 in Australia, installed Jim Breen's dictionary and will be taking it to me in Japan when I go for my 1 month intensive course
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Old 13-11-2008, 06:17 PM   #2132
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Well I got myself Asus EEE PC for about $450 in Australia, installed Jim Breen's dictionary and will be taking it to me in Japan when I go for my 1 month intensive course
wow... so gd can go japan for course



なに = what?

Ochitsuite! = Calm down! = おちついて?


wonder if i am wrong or rite?

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Old 13-11-2008, 06:35 PM   #2133
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As I mentioned in my previous post, zen zen is supposed to be used with negation but nowadays it can be used with positive statements depending on the situation due to the changing nature of language. 全然だめ、全然大丈夫、全然OK are acceptable usage in speech for instance.

i thought zen zen is used for -ve statements??
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Old 13-11-2008, 08:19 PM   #2134
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As I mentioned in my previous post, zen zen is supposed to be used with negation but nowadays it can be used with positive statements depending on the situation due to the changing nature of language. 全然だめ、全然大丈夫、全然OK are acceptable usage in speech for instance.
Actually, I have asked this question before to my sensei.

He said that 全然大丈夫 is actually grammartically (spelling?) wrong, as 全然 should be used with a negative word.
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Old 13-11-2008, 08:23 PM   #2135
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Yes, that's why I emphasised that it's only used in speech.

If you can read Japanese wiki, there's a decent explanation here:
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/全然

「全然大丈夫」というと、全くもって問題が無い、絶好調であることをあらわす。「全然ok」という使い方をされることが多く、1990年代前半に学生を中 心に自然に広まっていったといわれている。現在は携帯電話のメールで「全然」とうつと、候補の中に「全然OK」「全然ok」が含まれて出てくる機種も多 い。
Another discussion here: http://homepage2.nifty.com/osiete/seito58.htm

While I was looking at the Wiki article, I came across some interesting links for those of you who're fairly comfortable with reading Japanese.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/日本語の乱れ
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/若者言葉

Actually, I have asked this question before to my sensei.

He said that 全然大丈夫 is actually grammartically (spelling?) wrong, as 全然 should be used with a negative word.
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Old 13-11-2008, 09:17 PM   #2136
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There are actually many improvisation of the Japanese language especially by students and young people.

Some examples I can think of.

KY
やばい
むずい
めんどい
おもろい
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Old 13-11-2008, 11:46 PM   #2137
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hehe no one check if i say correct or not.
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Old 14-11-2008, 12:22 AM   #2138
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or... if you happen to own a Nintendo DS, you can just hop over to amazon to buy the "Kanji Dictionary: Kanji Sonomama Rakubiki Jiten"...there's raving reviews on the internet about it... and cheaper than buying a dedicated electronic dictionary. But I haven't use it before though... :p
I think I know which dictonary you are refering to.....

I myself own this dictonary.
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wow... so gd can go japan for course



なに = what?

Ochitsuite! = Calm down! = おちついて?


wonder if i am wrong or rite?
So far, I know that the word "what" can be either in なに or なん.

There's a rule of when to use なに & when to use なん.

FYI, its Kanji is 何.....
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So far, I know that the word "what" can be either in なに or なん.

There's a rule of when to use なに & when to use なん.

FYI, its Kanji is 何.....
oh ok thanks
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Old 14-11-2008, 09:35 AM   #2141
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ah keong>> ya that's what I thought lor. Thanks terraj and pingjun for clearing this up!

fox1>>
やばい - eh? its not yabai in the first place meh?
むずい - is this muzukashii?
めんどい - is this troublesome?

ano.....Can someone help to clarify with my other qns? Its on page 2. There are 2 posts.
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Old 14-11-2008, 09:49 AM   #2142
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Hi can anyone help me check my answer for Mondai V? (page 12)

http://www.japaneseproficiencypower....l3Grammar1.pdf

44) 2 Douzo
45) 2 Hai
46) 1 Gochuumon wo kurikaesasete itadakimasu
47) 2 Shokuji no mae

Just trying to double check....My polite and honorific stuff is not good.
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Old 14-11-2008, 09:52 AM   #2143
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So far, I know that the word "what" can be either in なに or なん.

There's a rule of when to use なに & when to use なん.

FYI, its Kanji is 何.....
ahmahippo>> When there is a d sound use nan...

Nande?
Nan desu ka?
Nani ga arimasu ka?
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Old 14-11-2008, 10:00 AM   #2144
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As I mentioned in my previous post, zen zen is supposed to be used with negation but nowadays it can be used with positive statements depending on the situation due to the changing nature of language. 全然だめ、全然大丈夫、全然OK are acceptable usage in speech for instance.
thanks!

because i thought classical textbook jap cannot use with +ve but

pratically can be used (in Japan)....
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ah keong>> ya that's what I thought lor. Thanks terraj and pingjun for clearing this up!

fox1>>
やばい - eh? its not yabai in the first place meh?
むずい - is this muzukashii?
めんどい - is this troublesome?

ano.....Can someone help to clarify with my other qns? Its on page 2. There are 2 posts.
wat i know is that it is classically grammer wrong in textbook jap, but

culturally correct in modern japan context... (drama)
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