[MianBaoFren]

i read all about the ptr liao actually and is dling it now. but if kanai cube does what it says, they need to balance the rest of the stuff otherwise we will see a repeat of BiS affixes. i can already think of a few actually.

[negativzero]

Only important thing to know is WD+Cru is useless is 4 player now

[khroness]

looking forward with the PTR... hope dont have to grind GR and just play TX

[dezzo69]

MianBaoFren wrote:

The new ptr stuff just adds more power creep without solving the core problems....

i like the cube. it kinds of allow talisman type effects and makes use of legendaries with crap stats.

but yes. d3's core problems still exist regardless... and its the core problems that drives people away once they rushed through the content.

[delay]

negativzero wrote:

Only important thing to know is WD+Cru is useless is 4 player now

rephrase
zdps is useless now as it should always have been

[delay]

dezzo69 wrote:

i like the cube. it kinds of allow talisman type effects and makes use of legendaries with crap stats.

but yes. d3's core problems still exist regardless... and its the core problems that drives people away once they rushed through the content.

and its the bell and whistles of each patch the drives people back
cuts both ways

also the problem of the game is different to all
for me the repeativeness and RNG is bad anything new is a short term boom for me

and i actually like AH (not rmah) but alot of people will argue on that point haaha

[jimlwk]

delay wrote:

and its the bell and whistles of each patch the drives people back
cuts both ways

also the problem of the game is different to all
for me the repeativeness and RNG is bad anything new is a short term boom for me

and i actually like AH (not rmah) but alot of people will argue on that point haaha

D3 Devs already stated that the game will be a cycle of short term enjoyment and fun before leaving and waiting for new patch.

Anyways, a big NO to trading sia (currently within grp it's fine).. it will be P2W if we can trade freely. The best alternative is prolly like what they've done with WoW. AH for trading or mats, certain gears but not the high tier gears.

[delay]

jimlwk wrote:

D3 Devs already stated that the game will be a cycle of short term enjoyment and fun before leaving and waiting for new patch.

Anyways, a big NO to trading sia (currently within grp it's fine).. it will be P2W if we can trade freely. The best alternative is prolly like what they've done with WoW. AH for trading or mats, certain gears but not the high tier gears.

there is no P2W because there is no win here
how do u define win?
doing T6?
Getting high Grift?
the is no PVP in D3, no competition at all (unless u count achievements?)

Look at DOtA, winning the dota tournament has $$$
right now its USD 13m prize money i think
In that game there is a clear winner and loser

then again i miss AH because there are some gear that i seem never to get
but not RMAH

[khroness]

higher GR is consider winning.. people will use that a gauge to compare their character

[delay]

khroness wrote:

higher GR is consider winning.. people will use that a gauge to compare their character

its a self achievement process right?
afterall its bragging rights at best and maybe thats indeed winning to some

i still find it a little hard to consider it P2W
maybe its just my mindset that winning is a little more than just bragging rights
LOL

[jimlwk]

delay wrote:

there is no P2W because there is no win here
how do u define win?
doing T6?
Getting high Grift?
the is no PVP in D3, no competition at all (unless u count achievements?)

The definition of win comes in many forms for various games. For D3 now, it's mostly gr progression, I am not a GR choingster but while ppl spend hours and hours to farm good gear to do 50+, some guys can just "buy" them when trading is allowed and that just screw the feeling of accomplishment.

Dota 2 was never in the p2w genre so dun see how comparing with that helps.

AH is might be gd if they allow trading of items perhaps craftin mats, ilvl 69 and below (for xmog).

[MianBaoFren]

jimlwk wrote:

The definition of win comes in many forms for various games. For D3 now, it's mostly gr progression, I am not a GR choingster but while ppl spend hours and hours to farm good gear to do 50+, some guys can just "buy" them when trading is allowed and that just screw the feeling of accomplishment.

Dota 2 was never in the p2w genre so dun see how comparing with that helps.

AH is might be gd if they allow trading of items perhaps craftin mats, ilvl 69 and below (for xmog).

We not talking about rmah but ah in its own sense. But there is so much gold now it's impossible to gauge the price of an item.

[colonelsoh]

suddenly i have the urge to go back farming for that elusive starmetal....

ytd play for 15mins and rimeheart drop... at first thought another lanjiao fuliminator wanted to just straight thrash it.. heng

[khroness]

delay wrote:

its a self achievement process right?
afterall its bragging rights at best and maybe thats indeed winning to some

i still find it a little hard to consider it P2W
maybe its just my mindset that winning is a little more than just bragging rights
LOL

currently no AH so self achievement, but once there is AH, it is not self achievement already.. it's go back to P2W.. being TOP 1 in leaderboard got many perk.. 1st you can be a streamer and earned $$.. and use the $$ to be on top of your leaderboard..

[delay]

jimlwk wrote:

The definition of win comes in many forms for various games. For D3 now, it's mostly gr progression, I am not a GR choingster but while ppl spend hours and hours to farm good gear to do 50+, some guys can just "buy" them when trading is allowed and that just screw the feeling of accomplishment.

Dota 2 was never in the p2w genre so dun see how comparing with that helps.

AH is might be gd if they allow trading of items perhaps craftin mats, ilvl 69 and below (for xmog).

i like your level 69 idea
cannot push Grift (which is not that big a deal with me) but at least i get the item with specific affixes