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MrSinkie95 22-07-2020 02:00 PM

Ant Financials IPO 2020
 
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/alib...explained.html

wanker88 22-07-2020 06:50 PM

How to apply in SG?

_dXter 22-07-2020 07:55 PM

If you are a accredited investor, fsmone can help sub ipo on HKEX

reddevil0728 22-07-2020 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _dXter (Post 128636468)
If you are a accredited investor, fsmone can help sub ipo on HKEX

apparently non accredited 1s also can. but need a minimum amount of S$200k

Rainbow1112 22-07-2020 10:43 PM

I bought baba because of this upcoming ipo.. hopefully it will rally as more details is release..

Entry Level PC 23-07-2020 05:22 AM

imho.
very limited growth outside China.
As I remember Alipay is China Only, Need Domestic China Bank Saving Account?
need to tan gu gu for Alipay to open up for foreigners.
Now Trade War, US, EU, IN - confirm won't Alipay and high chance no access to US, EU, IN Market in the near future.

polyglob 23-07-2020 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entry Level PC (Post 128642685)
imho.
very limited growth outside China.
As I remember Alipay is China Only, Need Domestic China Bank Saving Account?
need to tan gu gu for Alipay to open up for foreigners.
Now Trade War, US, EU, IN - confirm won't Alipay and high chance no access to US, EU, IN Market in the near future.

Ant Financial not equals Alipay

zoneguard 23-07-2020 08:44 AM

https://www.straitstimes.com/busines...anking-license

Jan 2020's news. Did they announce if they went to the next round like iFast?

reddevil0728 23-07-2020 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entry Level PC (Post 128642685)
imho.
very limited growth outside China.
As I remember Alipay is China Only, Need Domestic China Bank Saving Account?
need to tan gu gu for Alipay to open up for foreigners.
Now Trade War, US, EU, IN - confirm won't Alipay and high chance no access to US, EU, IN Market in the near future.

China itself is already massive

Entry Level PC 23-07-2020 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 128644270)
China itself is already massive

Yes, but already near Peak Growth in China already.
Even Beggars in China prefer Alipay/Wechat Pay over Cash.

:s12::s12::s12:

ayuluv 23-07-2020 11:05 AM

I am also pretty keen in this IPO.

Besides FSMOne, is there by chance any other alternative choices for this upcoming IPO? Thanks in advance

Entry Level PC 23-07-2020 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayuluv (Post 128646121)
I am also pretty keen in this IPO.

Besides FSMOne, is there by chance any other alternative choices for this upcoming IPO? Thanks in advance

You can buy Alibaba.
Alibaba owns 30% of Ant.
If Ant goes up, Alibaba will goes up as well.

reddevil0728 23-07-2020 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entry Level PC (Post 128645986)
Yes, but already near Peak Growth in China already.
Even Beggars in China prefer Alipay/Wechat Pay over Cash.

:s12::s12::s12:

You are talking about adoption there, but now volume.

China is still not a very consumer spending focus economy

ayuluv 23-07-2020 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entry Level PC (Post 128646276)
You can buy Alibaba.
Alibaba owns 30% of Ant.
If Ant goes up, Alibaba will goes up as well.

Thanks alot mate.

For Alibaba stocks, which platform will you strongly recommend?

reddevil0728 23-07-2020 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayuluv (Post 128646350)
Thanks alot mate.

For Alibaba stocks, which platform will you strongly recommend?

You want to buy on which exchange?

Entry Level PC 23-07-2020 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 128646318)
You are talking about adoption there, but now volume.

China is still not a very consumer spending focus economy

Total GDP wise not yet.
But China E-Commerce quite big already.

reddevil0728 23-07-2020 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entry Level PC (Post 128646428)
Total GDP wise not yet.
But China E-Commerce quite big already.

that can also be said of the us. then like that the US no more growth opportunity?

Entry Level PC 23-07-2020 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 128646481)
that can also be said of the us. then like that the US no more growth opportunity?

Yup, you realize the growth opportunities are outside of US not within US?
Otherwise, US companies no need to invest in CN liao.

reddevil0728 23-07-2020 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entry Level PC (Post 128646558)
Yup, you realize the growth opportunities are outside of US not within US?
Otherwise, US companies no need to invest in CN liao.

yea so for now there is still a lot of untapped volume within china itself no?

u may have 1.3bil ppl using the platform, but they are only spend $1 a day. but there's still a lot of room for increase in consumer spending ma

Entry Level PC 23-07-2020 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 128646672)
yea so for now there is still a lot of untapped volume within china itself no?

u may have 1.3bil ppl using the platform, but they are only spend $1 a day. but there's still a lot of room for increase in consumer spending ma

Yes but in the long run (Min 10 years).
When China 2nd and 3rd Tier City Develops.
You want short term fast expansion need to go outside China.

reddevil0728 23-07-2020 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entry Level PC (Post 128646787)
Yes but in the long run (Min 10 years).
When China 2nd and 3rd Tier City Develops.
You want short term fast expansion need to go outside China.

The world can change a lot in 10 years also. So bet on the 10 years first lor.

But of course DYODD

Entry Level PC 23-07-2020 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 128646828)
The world can change a lot in 10 years also. So bet on the 10 years first lor.

But of course DYODD

Yup,
All depends on your luck.
If I invested in Bitcoin when I was aware of it (30 cents per coin),
I would already have been a Millionaire and Retire liao.

ayuluv 23-07-2020 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 128646364)
You want to buy on which exchange?

I am considering FSMOne / POEMS

Or may i know is there a better choice? Thanks alot

ayuluv 23-07-2020 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entry Level PC (Post 128646971)
Yup,
All depends on your luck.
If I invested in Bitcoin when I was aware of it (30 cents per coin),
I would already have been a Millionaire and Retire liao.

Yes I agree Luck plays a HUGE part when opportunity comes.

During my younger days, when people offer me BTC super cheap I told him "mai la.. scam lai de" LOL

reddevil0728 23-07-2020 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ayuluv (Post 128656287)
I am considering FSMOne / POEMS

Or may i know is there a better choice? Thanks alot

Ib can also consider

ayuluv 24-07-2020 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 128657019)
Ib can also consider

Thank you so much mate!

Btw may i know for IB should i just create an account from the dot com site or hk site? Not sure what are the difference.

HMAN 26-07-2020 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 128646672)
yea so for now there is still a lot of untapped volume within china itself no?

u may have 1.3bil ppl using the platform, but they are only spend $1 a day. but there's still a lot of room for increase in consumer spending ma

Alipay has expanded beyond China, you can find it in many countries , Japan, Malaysia, Singapore(not famous and difficult to use)....

For China alone, the consumer spending is crazy, not $1 a day for sure.
Even a road side fruit stall is accepting alipay and wechat pay. Not just young folks are using ewallet, the old folks there are using wechat/alipay.

Sent from Samsung SM-T830 using GAGT

reddevil0728 26-07-2020 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HMAN (Post 128723611)
Alipay has expanded beyond China, you can find it in many countries , Japan, Malaysia, Singapore(not famous and difficult to use)....

For China alone, the consumer spending is crazy, not $1 a day for sure.
Even a road side fruit stall is accepting alipay and wechat pay. Not just young folks are using ewallet, the old folks there are using wechat/alipay.

Sent from Samsung SM-T830 using GAGT

that's my pt

scudettoz7 26-07-2020 11:35 PM

When ipo sia

Han Shot First 31-10-2020 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scudettoz7 (Post 128724281)
When ipo sia

Hong Kong Public Offering commences at 9:00 a.m. on Tuesday, October 27, 2020.

Dealings in the H Shares on the Hong Kong Stock Exchange expected to commence at 9:00 a.m. on Thursday, November 5, 2020.

zhxiaobian 31-10-2020 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Entry Level PC (Post 128645986)
Yes, but already near Peak Growth in China already.
Even Beggars in China prefer Alipay/Wechat Pay over Cash.

:s12::s12::s12:


Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 128646672)
yea so for now there is still a lot of untapped volume within china itself no?

u may have 1.3bil ppl using the platform, but they are only spend $1 a day. but there's still a lot of room for increase in consumer spending ma

my friends above, you all missing what's ant's business model. Basically alipay and wechatpay dominated everyone's life in china, they use it everyday. Not just transfer money to friends or beggars, like that jack ma won't earn money.

Using alipay to make payment, there is a small amt charged to the merchant by alipay, iirc 0.06%, but the market is so big, that make a big part of their earning.

but many don't know ant have license to offer small loan, the product is called "借呗" (means just borrow), no cash on hand? you can anyhow borrow few hundred rmb also can, to treat ur girlfriend a good meal or whatever u want to spend, interest like 12.775%~16.425% pa

They also offer product called "花呗" (just spend), many ppl don't have credit card, but ant know u better than u know urself, they know how much u earn if your boss transfer salary to you using alipay, of course how much u spend they sure know, they let you spend first then pay back later like credit card, 18% pa.

You use alipay and taobao everyday, and ant building on you the habit of just borrow and just spend. This is a big market, growing crazy, almost 40% income (~28.6b rmb) from credit products in first 6 months this year, more than their payment business (26b rmb), pls be reminded these credit products only come to market few years ago, a lot of potential. jack ma keep pushing their gov loosen restriction on their "creativity" in doing business, he gave a speech recently on this thing, meaning wanting gov loosen control on their credit products (their gov has been tightening after impact of these credit products shown, they dont want china become US like that)

And they are growing in offering financial and insurance products also.

reddevil0728 31-10-2020 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhxiaobian (Post 130567932)
my friends above, you all missing what's ant's business model. Basically alipay and wechatpay dominated everyone's life in china, they use it everyday. Not just transfer money to friends or beggars, like that jack ma won't earn money.

Using alipay to make payment, there is a small amt charged to the merchant by alipay, iirc 0.06%, but the market is so big, that make a big part of their earning.

but many don't know ant have license to offer small loan, the product is called "借呗" (means just borrow), no cash on hand? you can anyhow borrow few hundred rmb also can, to treat ur girlfriend a good meal or whatever u want to spend, interest like 12.775%~16.425% pa

They also offer product called "花呗" (just spend), many ppl don't have credit card, but ant know u better than u know urself, they know how much u earn if your boss transfer salary to you using alipay, of course how much u spend they sure know, they let you spend first then pay back later like credit card, 18% pa.

You use alipay and taobao everyday, and ant building on you the habit of just borrow and just spend. This is a big market, growing crazy, almost 40% income (~28.6b rmb) from credit products in first 6 months this year, more than their payment business (26b rmb), pls be reminded these credit products only come to market few years ago, a lot of potential. jack ma keep pushing their gov loosen restriction on their "creativity" in doing business, he gave a speech recently on this thing, meaning wanting gov loosen control on their credit products (their gov has been tightening after impact of these credit products shown, they dont want china become US like that)

And they are growing in offering financial and insurance products also.

I missed????

iwaniwan 03-11-2020 01:10 PM

Anyone got this via subscribe ?

MrSinkie95 03-11-2020 01:31 PM

Canít get.. 800x over sub

reddevil0728 03-11-2020 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSinkie95 (Post 130629414)
Canít get.. 800x over sub

results out already meh

MrSinkie95 03-11-2020 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reddevil0728 (Post 130629430)
results out already meh

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/ban...oversubscribed

vaxvms 03-11-2020 02:17 PM

buy in open market easier lah

iwaniwan 03-11-2020 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaxvms (Post 130630292)
buy in open market easier lah

expect the opening price over HKH100+

sCuzzZy 03-11-2020 02:58 PM

waiting for it on thurs.

if it opens 120 like expected im gna grab.

iwaniwan 03-11-2020 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sCuzzZy (Post 130631037)
waiting for it on thurs.

if it opens 120 like expected im gna grab.

wonít be surprising - if the share price go abv 150

5408854088 03-11-2020 03:24 PM

Ant Group IPO – Is it a good buy?
https://financialhorse.com/ant-group...it-a-good-buy/

sCuzzZy 03-11-2020 03:33 PM

yea that's mine expectation. but im not expert.

half of 9988.

so if its 120 its good.

reddevil0728 03-11-2020 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSinkie95 (Post 130629664)

Thatís just saying 872 over sub. But that doesnít mean you cant be the lucky one who get

iwaniwan 03-11-2020 04:14 PM

Chances to get via subscribe is LOW :(

_dXter 03-11-2020 06:36 PM

Shld update this thread with the stock code 6688.HK

MrSinkie95 03-11-2020 06:57 PM

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...eve-of-ant-ipo

funnycow 03-11-2020 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _dXter (Post 130635060)
Shld update this thread with the stock code 6688.HK

can mod help to change the thread name ?

MrSinkie95 03-11-2020 09:09 PM

Ant financial ipo delayed? Baba tanking now

zhxiaobian 03-11-2020 09:15 PM

A share delayed, not sure about H share yet

funnycow 03-11-2020 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnycow (Post 130638038)

Shanghai stock exchange suspends Ant Group's A-share IPO
By Reuters Staff

1 MIN READ


HONG KONG, Nov 3 (Reuters) - The Shanghai stock exchange has suspended Ant Groupís A-share IPO on its Star board, the Chinese exchange said on Tuesday.

Ant Group has recently reported to Chinaís securities regulator about the significantly changes in regulatory environment, the exchange said, and this major development might make Ant Group fall short of the listing requirement regarding information disclosure, the Shanghai stock exchange said in a statement. (Reporting by Meg Shen and Julie Zhu; Editing by Louise Heavens)


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