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Average 17-05-2016 05:31 PM

Press liao can huat?

arctician 17-05-2016 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Asphodeli (Post 101409291)
Haha hush hush is good what, no meh? Anyway it was announced on SGX website, corporate announcements page this morning.

BTW prospectus and PHS are out liao on MAS OPERA.

yea but usually will be on TODAY or mypaper

hush also good..very hard to get allocation one

if want to get allocated $10K, min must press for $50k

SpinFire 17-05-2016 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by arctician (Post 101409260)
how come no official banner or brochure one huh

very hush hush sia..if never see this thread i will nvr know

This issue was just announced this morning only. You should see the advertisements all over the papers from tomorrow

w1rbelw1nd 17-05-2016 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Asphodeli (Post 101409134)
Yeah it's geared towards public. IIRC this was the practice for the previous one also. Not sure if the CEO wants everyone to share the wealth, or it's a sign of weakness on their balance sheets.

Personally I think it's good to hold if you're holding the shares, as it will hedge against the unstable dividends on it.

Not so sure if "hedge" is the appropriate word here, since the risk is still to the same company and its industry.

In the first place, if you want stable dividnends, you wouldn't want to invest in a EPC contractor right?

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Asphodeli 17-05-2016 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by w1rbelw1nd (Post 101411339)
Not so sure if "hedge" is the appropriate word here, since the risk is still to the same company and its industry.

In the first place, if you want stable dividnends, you wouldn't want to invest in a EPC contractor right?

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haha true, that. but i look from it as a "total exposure" view, i.e. how much has been allocated. if buying a bond makes the yield more stable, and stabilizes the common stock's volatility, yeah why not?

shenglong88 17-05-2016 08:07 PM

Good to Hoot?

cuntzbuster 17-05-2016 08:12 PM

https://www.bondsupermart.com/main/a...imes-ahead-291

w1rbelw1nd 17-05-2016 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by StockBot (Post 101412259)
If i not wrong like 30 mil of it is reserve for staffs to press
So they eating their own cooking too

The gearing is high, thus the yield is high too
Given a choice between the mother stock vs the perp bonds
I would take the perp bonds for sure

Yes, I don't see much upside of hyflux equity as well, may be better to own the PCS and pray that the company no adverse events leading to defaults.

Once hyflux starts deferring its coupon payments for its "real debts", maybe 2-3 years worth of 6% dividend won't be enough to cover the potential capital loss through sale of PCS in sgx. buyers beware....

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foozgarden 18-05-2016 07:00 AM

in event of default.
bond holders get paid first then mother share holders?

homedriver 18-05-2016 07:25 AM

Sorry to ask how to apply this? Like IPO through Internet banking can?

Asphodeli 18-05-2016 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by foozgarden (Post 101419092)
in event of default.
bond holders get paid first then mother share holders?

Creditors (I.e. Banks), then bond holders, then shareholders

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Asphodeli 18-05-2016 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by homedriver (Post 101419230)
Sorry to ask how to apply this? Like IPO through Internet banking can?

Yup. 9am then open hor

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SCG8866T 18-05-2016 08:11 AM

Wow net debt to equity 3.315x worse then aspial and its perpetual means no maturity. Have to study more indepth to decide.

homedriver 18-05-2016 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by StockBot (Post 101412276)
Not much capital gains one
If want to press the mindset should be hold for 5 years
Each year earn 6%

But can trade anytime like stock if need to cash out?

Asphodeli 18-05-2016 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by homedriver (Post 101419815)
But can trade anytime like stock if need to cash out?

yes, as long as it is offered to the public (i.e. can press at ATM), means it will be listed on SGX, except for Singapore Savings Bonds


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