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Old 25-10-2019, 04:06 PM   #1
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Money in Stock broker trust acc safe?

Actually is money put in stock broker trust account [e.g L&T,Poems,SCB,Vickers,Kim Eng]

Have protected and got deposit insurance?

IF they go bankrupt are my funds safe?
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Old 25-10-2019, 08:04 PM   #2
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Old 25-10-2019, 10:06 PM   #3
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anyone knows if those using MF global were able to recover their account monies? and also what happened to those holding Jade Tech margin-ed shares when Merrill Lynch dumped all Jade Tech shares held by MF Global (as custody) onto the market?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MF_Global

"Bankruptcy trustee, regulators investigate missing client funds
Clearly, client (or customer) accounts were misused to try to cover the bet made on European sovereign debt. Beginning in November 2011, MF Global was investigated by regulators for money missing from client accounts. The shortfall in client accounts at MF Global Holdings Ltd was thought to be around $1.2 billion as of late November 2011, according to the trustee liquidating the company.[4]

As the trustees and liquidators continued their work in early 2012, they indicated that the total amount owed to clients was substantially higher. Rolling Stone reported in April 2012 that the number stands at $1.6 billion, and that "nobody disputes the fact that MF Global officials dipped into customer accounts and took...customer money."[5]

US and UK investors continued waiting to see if and when they would be repaid for the misuse of their client account monies.

However, because rehypothecation is not allowed in Canada, the Canadian customers of MF Global were able to recover all their funds within 10 days.[59]

Settlements
With, among other sources of cash, Corzine and other former MF Global executives in 2016 reaching a $132 million settlement with a trustee liquidating the company on behalf of creditors and, in 2015, executives having reached a $64.5 million settlement of separate investor litigation, portions of which were covered by insurance, all customer (in 2014) and other claims on MF were settled.[60][61]"
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Old 26-10-2019, 02:25 AM   #4
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Actually is money put in stock broker trust account [e.g L&T,Poems,SCB,Vickers,Kim Eng]

Have protected and got deposit insurance?

IF they go bankrupt are my funds safe?
Depends on the broker, and who they're regulated by, and the status of your account (margin or cash-on-the-barrelhead).

For Singaporean brokers, there's no deposit insurance; your only protection comes from the ringfencing between customer accounts and house money.

Client money at US brokers is more protected than at Singaporean brokers. US brokers have mandatory insurance that covers up to $500k of losses if the broker goes bankrupt; and even if the broker goes bankrupt, if your account isn't using margin then you won't have any losses anyway.

Also, US law distinguishes between securities accounts (which are used for stock trading) and futures accounts (which are used for, obvs, futures trading). In the MF Global case, the securities-account holders were made whole relatively quickly, because MF wasn't able to touch them; the futures accounts were the ones that MFG illegally dipped into.
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Old 26-10-2019, 03:49 AM   #5
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Depends on the broker, and who they're regulated by, and the status of your account (margin or cash-on-the-barrelhead).

For Singaporean brokers, there's no deposit insurance; your only protection comes from the ringfencing between customer accounts and house money.

Client money at US brokers is more protected than at Singaporean brokers. US brokers have mandatory insurance that covers up to $500k of losses if the broker goes bankrupt; and even if the broker goes bankrupt, if your account isn't using margin then you won't have any losses anyway.

Also, US law distinguishes between securities accounts (which are used for stock trading) and futures accounts (which are used for, obvs, futures trading). In the MF Global case, the securities-account holders were made whole relatively quickly, because MF wasn't able to touch them; the futures accounts were the ones that MFG illegally dipped into.
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Old 26-10-2019, 08:59 AM   #6
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anyone knows if those using MF global were able to recover their account monies? and also what happened to those holding Jade Tech margin-ed shares when Merrill Lynch dumped all Jade Tech shares held by MF Global (as custody) onto the market?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MF_Global

"Bankruptcy trustee, regulators investigate missing client funds
Clearly, client (or customer) accounts were misused to try to cover the bet made on European sovereign debt. Beginning in November 2011, MF Global was investigated by regulators for money missing from client accounts. The shortfall in client accounts at MF Global Holdings Ltd was thought to be around $1.2 billion as of late November 2011, according to the trustee liquidating the company.[4]

As the trustees and liquidators continued their work in early 2012, they indicated that the total amount owed to clients was substantially higher. Rolling Stone reported in April 2012 that the number stands at $1.6 billion, and that "nobody disputes the fact that MF Global officials dipped into customer accounts and took...customer money."[5]

US and UK investors continued waiting to see if and when they would be repaid for the misuse of their client account monies.

However, because rehypothecation is not allowed in Canada, the Canadian customers of MF Global were able to recover all their funds within 10 days.[59]

Settlements
With, among other sources of cash, Corzine and other former MF Global executives in 2016 reaching a $132 million settlement with a trustee liquidating the company on behalf of creditors and, in 2015, executives having reached a $64.5 million settlement of separate investor litigation, portions of which were covered by insurance, all customer (in 2014) and other claims on MF were settled.[60][61]"
I traded using MF Global when they collapsed. My monies were safe but it took 5 years before I could recover the whole sum. It was very tedious and is definitely a risk that one should consider.... risk of loss as well as the time delay in recovering the monies.
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