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Old 06-03-2015, 04:59 PM   #3586
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Woah, never happened to me before and I traded hundreds of times, you sure it's the correct currency you transferred into?
Local one is SSA, don't have the FCY.
Also, scb online trading is down right?
yup.. very sure its the right one... in the account summary page, this amount is reflected there... even ytd when I was doing my GERN trades, out of the blue, USD 27 got blocked.. Have no idea why.. they are gonna get back to me by 6pm... Wanted to buy 2K shares in T4B at 0.250. zzzz

Some how I can use it!
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Old 06-03-2015, 05:09 PM   #3587
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yup.. very sure its the right one... in the account summary page, this amount is reflected there... even ytd when I was doing my GERN trades, out of the blue, USD 27 got blocked.. Have no idea why.. they are gonna get back to me by 6pm... Wanted to buy 2K shares in T4B at 0.250. zzzz

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Haha, update here when you figure out what's wrong then. I have never encounter this kind of situation whereby I just transferred new fund into SSA and cannot trade using the fund.

Btw, I see your counter cost $500, $0.25*2000, and you transferred in exactly $500, did you already have some $$ in the SSA? There are commissions you need to pay, try adding a few dollars more to cover the comms too. Perhaps that's the problem. I never transfer exact de. Comms is included when you trade.

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Old 06-03-2015, 05:42 PM   #3588
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Haha, update here when you figure out what's wrong then. I have never encounter this kind of situation whereby I just transferred new fund into SSA and cannot trade using the fund.

Btw, I see your counter cost $500, $0.25*2000, and you transferred in exactly $500, did you already have some $$ in the SSA? There are commissions you need to pay, try adding a few dollars more to cover the comms too. Perhaps that's the problem. I never transfer exact de. Comms is included when you trade.
yup. definitely have sufficient funds. have a balance of around 50 or 60+ before i transferred the $500. anyway, cannot be that I transferred $500 but purchasing power is only $66.77..
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Old 06-03-2015, 06:56 PM   #3589
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So, I have sorted out how to get the transfer done at a cost effective manner after visiting SCB earlier in the morning and then calling DBS.

USD from DBS to SCB USD FCY SSA
1. Outward TT from DBS to SCB FCY SSA. DBS CSO confirms TT free.
2. SCB will then charge inward TT of SGD 10 equivalent.

USD from USD FCY SSA to DBS
1. Outward TT at 1/8% comms
2. DBS will then charge Inward TT at SGD 10 equivalent.

SCB SSA - don't accept cashier orders, only TTs or transfers to/from SCB savings/current accounts.
hi all,

Looks like I have been given the wrong information by the SC staff that opened the Online Equities Trading platform for me.

On Sat, he mentioned that I can directly TT from another bank to the FCY SSA. However, when I called the SC online equities trading platform hotline, the CSO said that it's not possible. The only possible transfers to all SSAs are from SC's savings accounts. In this case, it means I need to open a USD FCY$aver with SC and transfer from there and there's a min balance of 2K USD required.

Another thing to note, the CSO recommends that I can transfer my USD to my local currency e$aver account and they will flip it back to USD. I told her off that you are making me lose more money because of the double spread. She just kept mum.

So I assume my idea of avoiding the min 2K USD balance is not possible then.
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Old 06-03-2015, 07:01 PM   #3590
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I remember on some thread, someone advised that you can direct TT USD into the US FCY SSA from DBS MCA. Thus, you can skip step 2 and 3. Just TT the USD back to DBS multicurrency account perhaps? Not sure how to do that though.
In fact, marc cheng on this thread, just the last 2 page describe this thing. He checked and it worked.
hi Perisher,

See my latest post above. Apparently, I can't do that. Either the SC staff is wrong, or the CSO is wrong.
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Old 06-03-2015, 07:29 PM   #3591
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can someone please enlighten me what is the advantage and disadvantage of standard chartered's trading account? i know there's no commission is one advantage, but if that's the case, why do some people still want to trade using other brokers?
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Old 06-03-2015, 07:41 PM   #3592
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can someone please enlighten me what is the advantage and disadvantage of standard chartered's trading account? i know there's no commission is one advantage, but if that's the case, why do some people still want to trade using other brokers?
it's not that there is no commission... they charge 0.2% comm per trade with NO minimum comm. Other firms will charge a minimum comm of $20-$25 per trade.

So unless every trade you execute are in the thousands, you will be paying excess comm on your trade.
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can someone please enlighten me what is the advantage and disadvantage of standard chartered's trading account? i know there's no commission is one advantage, but if that's the case, why do some people still want to trade using other brokers?
No minimun commission of $25 is apparently the only advantage of using Scb trading and no custodian fee.

Disadvantage is can't contra and must cash upfront, shares cannot go Cdp, can't sell when system down, one day later for dividend, very simple platform, no dedicated broker, can't do oddlot, no mobile app (unless desktop mode), must use Standchart bank account, no research report, weak financial and fundamental of Standchart bank, uncertainty of when no min comm promotion will end, no good till month order type, no stop loss order type, cannot short, free to transfer in shares but expensive to transfer out, no sophisticated tools provided, cannot go egm/agm, need to pass client profiling test every 3 years etc, huge usd Fx spread, cannot use credit card to make payment for shares, cannot apply for ipo, cannot sell early for right issues etc
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it's not that there is no commission... they charge 0.2% comm per trade with NO minimum comm. Other firms will charge a minimum comm of $20-$25 per trade.

So unless every trade you execute are in the thousands, you will be paying excess comm on your trade.
Yah, but Scb charges $10 per 1000 shares to transfer share out to cdp

So as long one keep the shares inside Scb and don't transfer out (after transfering in), then the saving will be a lot, and when u decide to transfer out, all excess saving will also be vomited back too
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No minimun commission of $25 is apparently the only advantage of using Scb trading and no custodian fee.

Disadvantage is can't contra and must cash upfront, shares cannot go Cdp, can't sell when system down, one day later for dividend, very simple platform, no dedicated broker, can't do oddlot, no mobile app (unless desktop mode), must use Standchart bank account, no research report, weak financial and fundamental of Standchart bank, uncertainty of when no min comm promotion will end, no good till month order type, no stop loss order type, cannot short, free to transfer in shares but expensive to transfer out, no sophisticated tools provided, cannot go egm/agm, need to pass client profiling test every 3 years etc, huge usd Fx spread, cannot use credit card to make payment for shares, cannot apply for ipo, cannot sell early for right issues etc
thank you so much Sinkie for explaining the disadvantages at length. really appreciate it
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No minimun commission of $25 is apparently the only advantage of using Scb trading and no custodian fee.

Disadvantage is can't contra and must cash upfront, shares cannot go Cdp, can't sell when system down, one day later for dividend, very simple platform, no dedicated broker, can't do oddlot, no mobile app (unless desktop mode), must use Standchart bank account, no research report, weak financial and fundamental of Standchart bank, uncertainty of when no min comm promotion will end, no good till month order type, no stop loss order type, cannot short, free to transfer in shares but expensive to transfer out, no sophisticated tools provided, cannot go egm/agm, need to pass client profiling test every 3 years etc, huge usd Fx spread, cannot use credit card to make payment for shares, cannot apply for ipo, cannot sell early for right issues etc
Haha, I see someone has a bone to pick.
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Haha, I see someone has a bone to pick.
Haha, just a quick summary lah
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Old 06-03-2015, 08:08 PM   #3598
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hi all,

Looks like I have been given the wrong information by the SC staff that opened the Online Equities Trading platform for me.

On Sat, he mentioned that I can directly TT from another bank to the FCY SSA. However, when I called the SC online equities trading platform hotline, the CSO said that it's not possible. The only possible transfers to all SSAs are from SC's savings accounts. In this case, it means I need to open a USD FCY$aver with SC and transfer from there and there's a min balance of 2K USD required.

Another thing to note, the CSO recommends that I can transfer my USD to my local currency e$aver account and they will flip it back to USD. I told her off that you are making me lose more money because of the double spread. She just kept mum.

So I assume my idea of avoiding the min 2K USD balance is not possible then.
Apologies for providing a non-working method as stated in my earlier post.

I managed to look at the SC Investment Product Terms, page 44, Section 3, Terms 46 and it mentions that the cash from SSA can only be transferred to Operating Account, which is any current/cheque or saving accounts with SC.

So the CSO is correct.
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Apologies for providing a non-working method as stated in my earlier post.

I managed to look at the SC Investment Product Terms, page 44, Section 3, Terms 46 and it mentions that the cash from SSA can only be transferred to Operating Account, which is any current/cheque or saving accounts with SC.

So the CSO is correct.
Can we transfer SGD e$aver account to FCY SSA ? Or must we really open the min US$2k FCY$aver account?
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Old 06-03-2015, 08:43 PM   #3600
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Can we transfer SGD e$aver account to FCY SSA ? Or must we really open the min US$2k FCY$aver account?
Here we go again.

No min US$2 or $2k FCY account necessary

Just use ESAVER. It's free, no min, no charges, nothing.
You can use it to transfer between your various SSA account for free, the only charges is the lousy exchange rate.

For trading, only buy/sell cost commission, sec, gst. Other than that, no fees, no nothing. Often, those 3 thing only cost at most a few dollars unless you do trades of 10k++.

Once again, I emphasize, no need USD FCY saver account.
USD FCY SSA is not USD FCY saver account.
You need USD FCY SSA for trading US stocks and keep your USD in it for free, no min, no cost, no custody fee.

USD in USD FCY SSA cannot be cashed out as USD. Someone above tried and failed.

SCB exchange
1000 SGD at 1.377654 to USD. So you get 725.87USD from 1k SGD
1000 USD at 1.352902 to SGD. So you get 1,352.90SGD from 1k USD.

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