10G Capable router with SFP+ WAN or WAN/LAN port, Switch and VQ XGS-PON ONU Stick

[Proximus]

i'm also paying for it for the electricity bill. unless i can tap from the outside haha...

i haven't yet to try the SFP+ module yet on my router.... i might order the low heat version too. so the temp between the 2 is more than 20 degree?

Please check if the seller if your router is supported. AFAIK, BE88U is not "coded" and it works with the 1.35w low powered and 10Gtek SFP+

YMMV if you use a different router

 

[osmond19]

Please check if the seller if your router is supported. AFAIK, BE88U is not "coded" and it works with the 1.35w low powered and 10Gtek SFP+

YMMV if you use a different router

i'm not using BE88U but ER8411. I believe it is not coded as well. will ask the seller if the normal version is really very hot, i'm still waiting for the normal version to come.

 

[Proximus]

i'm not using BE88U but ER8411. I believe it is not coded as well. will ask the seller if the normal version is really very hot, i'm still waiting for the normal version to come.

the tplink sfp+ RJ45 is using "MAXIM, MINDSPEED, SEMTECH, UX" chipset.

https://edgeoptic.com/products/tp-link/tl-sm5310-t/

The low powered 1.35w taobao version is using BCM84891 chipset

https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i1/2207540232058/O1CN01KRbzdt1R4c5VKVVzR_!!2207540232058.jpg

 

[osmond19]

the tplink sfp+ RJ45 is using "MAXIM, MINDSPEED, SEMTECH, UX" chipset.

https://edgeoptic.com/products/tp-link/tl-sm5310-t/

The low powered 1.35w taobao version is using BCM84891 chipset

https://img.alicdn.com/imgextra/i1/2207540232058/O1CN01KRbzdt1R4c5VKVVzR_!!2207540232058.jpg

i dunno the difference between these 2 chips... i guess related to the performance, stability and working temperature etc. I think the BCM84891 needs to support EEE (Energy Efficient Ethernet) protocol in order to work?

 

[Proximus]

i dunno the difference between these 2 chips... i guess related to the performance, stability and working temperature etc. I think the BCM84891 needs to support EEE (Energy Efficient Ethernet) protocol in order to work?

i dk too but the key is what does your router support is the important.

If the router can only support a handful of tranceivers which may not be low-powered then use an usb fan to cool it down.

 

[Lehnsherr]

i dunno the difference between these 2 chips... i guess related to the performance, stability and working temperature etc. I think the BCM84891 needs to support EEE (Energy Efficient Ethernet) protocol in order to work?

The Tplink one is branded under Omada - sure can use in your ER4811 if not Tplink can go jiak sai

otherwise better to google around for the specific one u wanna buy.

 

[guangzong]

Any recommendations for a SFP+ to RJ45 adapter?

I found something like this from Ubiquiti Singapore, but it is currently sold out and costs close to $100.
If this is the general price, perhaps it is more economical to get a DAC cable?

https://sg.store.ui.com/sg/en/colle...direct-attach-cables/products/uacc-cm-rj45-mg

 

[xiaofan]

Any recommendations for a SFP+ to RJ45 adapter?

I found something like this from Ubiquiti Singapore, but it is currently sold out and costs close to $100.
If this is the general price, perhaps it is more economical to get a DAC cable?

https://sg.store.ui.com/sg/en/colle...direct-attach-cables/products/uacc-cm-rj45-mg

Please check out Post #6 of this thread.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...-vq-xgs-pon-onu-stick.7047645/#post-153088792

If I start a thread, usually I will update the first page with some summaries which you may want to read first.

But yes, for short distance, using SFP+ switch, SFP+ network adapter and DAC cable is cheaper. Even for longer distance, using SFP+ switch, SFP+ network adapter, SFP+ Optic modules and Fibre cable may be cheaper.

You may want to try to minimize the usage of SFP+ 10G RJ45 module as much as possible.

 

[guangzong]

You may want to try to minimize the usage of SFP+ 10G RJ45 module as much as possible.

Thank you. Is there a particular reason for this? Is it because of the heat generated by RJ45 10Gbps? It is a more "common" interface / cable.

 

[xiaofan]

Thank you. Is there a particular reason for this? Is it because of the heat generated by RJ45 10Gbps? It is a more "common" interface / cable.

Mainly because of cost. Heat is probably a secondary issue.

10G SFP+ switch is much cheaper than 10G RJ45 switch.
10G SFP+ optic module is much cheaper than 10G SFP+ Rj45 module.
Fibre cable is in general much cheaper than CAT6 Ethernet cable.

In fact, above 10G, it will mostly be Fibre.

>10G copper Ethernet is more used in the data centers for short distance connections.

 

[xiaofan]

Watched a Douyin Video from XikeStor/Seeker about the recommended model for 10G home networking.

1. Mixed 2.5G/10G switch
1) Unmanaged 2.5G/10G switches, with 4/8 2.5G LAN ports and two SFP+ ports
SKS1200-4GPY2XF
SKS1200-8GPY2XF

2) Lightly managed (simplified Layer 2 managed switch) 2.5G/10G switches, with 4/8 2.5G LAN ports and two SFP+ ports
SKS3200M-4GPY2XF
SKS3200-8E2X (new product, nost listed in the website yet.

https://seekswan.com/ (Chinese website)
https://xikestor.com/ (English website)

3) Layer 2 managed switch (with CLI), with 8 x 2.5G ports and 4 x SFP+ ports, with console port
SKS7300-8GPY4XGS

2. Pure 10G switch
1) Layer 2 managed switch, with 4 x 10G RJ45 ports and 4 x SFP+ ports, with console port

SKS7300-4X4T

2) Layer 3 managed switch, with 8 x 10G RJ45 ports, with console port
SKS-8300-8T

3) Layer 3 managed switch, with 8/12 SFP+ ports, with console port
SKS-8310-8X
SKS-8300-12X

 

[guangzong]

May i know if it's safe to get 10Gbps SFP+ DAC passive cables from AliExpress, as in, are they reliable and work fine?

For example:
https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005....0.0.38ef38daNZGQfL&mp=1&gatewayAdapt=glo2vnm

 

[guangzong]

Does anyone know why there is such a price difference between these two? They are from the same seller, and seem to be the same model XikeStor SKS7300-4X4T:

https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005....0.0.28ab38daWt7kff&mp=1&gatewayAdapt=glo2vnm

https://vi.aliexpress.com/item/1005....0.0.28ab38daWt7kff&mp=1&gatewayAdapt=glo2vnm

If legit, the price in the first link is very tempting.

 

[omelet]

Switched over to SFP+ ONU for my ViewQwest.
Was expecting the switch to be quick over the phone. Called in and they requested for the serial number, but then they needed to raise a case/ticket and wait a few hours for a tech to call back. A few hours later a tech called and enabled it for me. Works fine so far on my UDM SE.
Nice to have one less device.

 

[xiaofan]

Mainly because of cost. Heat is probably a secondary issue.

10G SFP+ switch is much cheaper than 10G RJ45 switch.
10G SFP+ optic module is much cheaper than 10G SFP+ Rj45 module.
Fibre cable is in general much cheaper than CAT6 Ethernet cable.

In fact, above 10G, it will mostly be Fibre.

>10G copper Ethernet is more used in the data centers for short distance connections.

Low cost 10G home network upgrade below S$200, from Chinese Youtuber. He has also listed some other options and explained why he chooses to go for SFP+ version and not RJ45 version.

10G SFP+ NIC x 3 --> RMB 55 x 3 = RMB 165 ==> S$40
10G DAC Cable x 4 --> RMB 15 x 4 = RMB 60 ==> S$20
10G SFP+ 8-port switch --> RMB 400 ==> S$100
10G SFP+ to RJ45 module --> RMB 110 ==> S$40
Total cost --> RMB 735 ==> S$200

I tend to think we will probably hit higher cost when buying from Taobao due to shipment and GST cost. So my estimation is at about S$200 or a bit more.

Of course you will usually spend a bit more -- in my case, I spent quite a bit more at more than S$1000 since I was not familiar with the 10G stuff and wasted quite a bit of money along the way. And laptop 10G NIC (USB4) will be quite expensive at around S$100 to S$140 and I bought three of them.

 

[jack27]

And laptop 10G NIC (USB4) will be quite expensive at around S$100 to S$140 and I bought three of them. - May i know what USB4 10G NIC are you using? is it good?

 

[xiaofan]

And laptop 10G NIC (USB4) will be quite expensive at around S$100 to S$140 and I bought three of them. - May i know what USB4 10G NIC are you using? is it good?

Please check out this thread. I have the IOcrest, GRiS and XikeStor version. All three versions work fine but I do not like XikeStor version because of the fan noise. The other two have no fan. I will recommend the IOCrest version which has good reviews.
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/5gbe-and-beyond-ethernet-adapters.7068236/

My test results are also in the above thread. You can check out Page 8 for iperf3 test results.

 

[googoogaga]

Hey guys, can I check what is the advantage of using SFP+ ONU stick over normal ONT + rj45 connection to get 10Gbps?
Anything like less heat, more stable connection etc?

I realize only VQ has the ONU SFP+ stick option. I want to see if it is worth it to stick with VQ just for this option.

 

[xiaofan]

Hey guys, can I check what is the advantage of using SFP+ ONU stick over normal ONT + rj45 connection to get 10Gbps?
Anything like less heat, more stable connection etc?

I realize only VQ has the ONU SFP+ stick option. I want to see if it is worth it to stick with VQ just for this option.

This is mainly for power users who use SFP+ WAN port equipped main router (or managed switch), for example, Ubiquiti UDM SE.

In that case, they do not need to use the ONT and the hot SFP+ to RJ45 module: less equipment, less space required, less total heat dissipation.

On the other hand, there are some reports of less speed compared to ONT option. You may also have more heat concentration on the ONU spot.

Another thing, if you use a router with 10G RJ45 WAN port, then no point to go with the Huawei XGS-PON ONU option already.

Personally I will not go for VQ just because of this small advantage.

However if you are with VQ already and have no issues with VQ, it seems to be a decent option to stick with VQ, no matter you choose to go with ONT option or the ONU option.

 

[googoogaga]

This is mainly for power user who use SFP+ WAN port equipped main router (or managed switch), for example, Ubiquiti UDM SE.

In that case, they do not need to use the ONT and the hot SFP+ to RJ45 module: less equipment, less space required, less total heat dissipation.

On the other hand, there are some reports of less speed compared to ONT option. You may also have more heat concentration on the ONU spot.

Another thing, if you use a router with 10G RJ45 WAN port, then no point to go with the Huawei XGS-PON ONU option already.

Personally I will not go for VQ just because of this small advantage.

However if you are with VQ already and have no issues with VQ, it seems to be a decent option to stick with VQ, no matter you choose to go with ONT option or the ONU option.

Thanks. Yes I am currently with VQ and yes I have the UDM Pro SE router as well.

I dont have issues with VQ. It's just that their cheapest plan will be $38.75 a month for 24 months. Whereas Starhub is giving their 5Gbps connection for 29.55 a month. I am thinking of using the Rj45 connection to the 2.5G port. I have just the u6 pro and u6 mini APs across the house. Not planning on wifi 7 for next 2 years. So I figured 10Gbps is a overkill for me. So was thinking the upgrade to 10Gb and SFP+ ONU is only worth it if it performs better ie more stable connection, less drop off, less heat etc..