AMD Zen 5 Discussion Thread ( 5% IPC improvement )

elmariachi

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AMD less efficient at heat dissipation because the CCDs are offset to one side, HW canucks tested this comparing coolers with and w/o offset mount.

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Zen 5 actually has intrinsically better thermals because they changed the die floor plan specifically for this (TPU asked AMD about this). Stock Granite Ridge parts tend to have more thermal headroom than Raphael did; even with similar power limits. I assume they'll also be binning the CCDs for lower leakage before they grind it down and slap the v-cache and support silicon on it for the X3D 9000 series.

I was thinking how else they could improve temps, but I don't think there is much they can do beyond what's already been done to the floor plan and binning. Fewer thermal interfaces would be nice and it should be technically possible to have the v-cache die just cover the whole CCX with empty silicon above the cores, but that would be a huge waste of wafer area. It would also be possible to only carve out the section of the CCD where the v-cache die would sit, omitting the need for separate support silicon entirely, but I don't think production costs would be economical either.
 

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AMD less efficient at heat dissipation because the CCDs are offset to one side, HW canucks tested this comparing coolers with and w/o offset mount.

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Wah.. nice illustraion and thanks for the info... I didn't know this.
 

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AMD less efficient at heat dissipation because the CCDs are offset to one side, HW canucks tested this comparing coolers with and w/o offset mount.

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That why I just heck care about the temperature hitting the thermal limits often especially for 7800X3D... since it is like 89°C or 90°C showing on HWINFO...
 

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All 9950x throttling because of this lousy design :spin:

Imagine if it wasn't throttling


wow AI PC :ROFLMAO:

the keyboard should give at least azoth ma.. what is that crap
Zen 4 and Zen 5 all using the same CCD design lar.. X3D even more jialat since the 3D V-cache is sitting on top of the CCD... :ROFLMAO:
 

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Zen 4 and Zen 5 all using the same CCD design lar.. X3D even more jialat since the 3D V-cache is sitting on top of the CCD... :ROFLMAO:

ya, that's the thing.. same design same problem :spin:. otherwise can easily bring the temps down by 20c. im only saying this because it feels quite wasted.
 

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A lot of people waiting for Ryzen 9000 probably went for the 7800X3D after the 9000 reviews came out, some more got two free games.
 

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I still holding on... cos 7800X3D... i already missed the cheap boat liao. Wasted. Might as well wait for 9000X3D now. If i buy 7800X3D now i might as well bought it few months back and enjoy. :(
 

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That is not too bad, I can see Taobao price jumped from RMB 2400 to RMB 2900. I actually saw more listings at RMB 3100, higher than 7900x3d because of the better gaming performance.

maybe is boxed set as china ran out of tray now. Techyard sell cheaper than china tray for tray, better hoot before they see this!
 

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maybe is boxed set as china ran out of tray now. Techyard sell cheaper than china tray for tray, better hoot before they see this!

Yes Boxed version.
Tray version seems to be out of stock in Taobao shops but I did not look too closely.
 

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That is not too bad, I can see Taobao price jumped from RMB 2400 to RMB 2900. I actually saw more listings at RMB 3100, higher than 7900x3d because of the better gaming performance.
if u check the price history, 78x3ds used to be much closer to the 2000rmb mark :frown:
 
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