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Good enough.

What's your resistance to cold ? Office 16/17 degree aircon feels just about OK for you ?

Best to get a windproof lining. My Thai friend had one of those 99$ uniqlo down, the coldness gets in from the seams between each layer of down.

A fleece liner/soft shell on the inside would suffice.

Tokyo no need la. 2-3 deg no problem after Hokkaido

thanks a lot!! I guess I'll go with whatever I have and if needed, buy more from japan itself. I hate to wear heavy gears too.
 

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Long long ago in a different world where there was a John little at specialist centre, I worked at the winterwear department for my summer job.

Down is a wonderful material. Basically, its the little feathers of ducks that traps heat in the layer of air in between them

Down works wonders as it is both light, and has tremendous insulating power.

But not all down is good down. Down is basically a weight/insulation performance tradeoff.

See those big bulky down jacket right ? May cost over 229.90 but the inside is filled with cheaper 400 grade down. 400 down is coarse and heavy. If you are a guy with a big frame like me, no problem with another 1-2kg of weight. (My down jacket is about 2kg+)

800 down is the high grade down. Lighter yet with the most insulation power, it allows manufacturers to make thin, slimline down jacket.

Here's the problem: not all manufacturers tell the truth about down. While we aren't avid mountaineers about to go to Patagonia or living in the cold windy streets of Chicago or the bone chilling roads of Alaska, it matters because if you don't know what you're buying, you don't know what are you paying for.

Afaik, uniqlo doesn't disclose what type of down used. It is a good little piece of kit. Light, compact, foldable. Probably warm enough for 80% of whatever we are doing. But for $99 "sale" price, I think u can easily buy north face from the US at that price point.

Just need to search for it. I find gear reviews very useful. Don't buy on price or claims of down. Read, find the technical specs, see if got user reviews.

That being said and done, I do think the uniqlo down is a pretty decent down jacket. I just don't think it is value for money.

But in singapore, the $99 uniqlo is the best value for money? It can go down to $79.90 or $69.90 at times too.
 

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I am not sure about Uniqlo SG, but on Uniqlo JP website, they do state that the down they use has 640 fillpower. For 7000 JPY, a light 640 fill jacket weighing less than 200g, with DWR coating and a aluminized coating on the inner is great value for money. Of course you can wait for sale in the summer when they are even greater value for money.

http://www.uniqlo.com/jp/store/feature/uq/ultralightdown/men/
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The cheapest down jacket for a bona fide outdoor apparel manufacturer here in Japan is 12,000 JPY (excl tax). This is a 800 fill 175g down jacket with DWR coating. For those who wants assured quality, I recommend going to a Montbell store in Japan to get your stuff. They are one of my favorite stores here. Their pricing is generally one of the most reasonable and lowest around. In Tokyo, you can find them in many places, including Ikebukuro, Shibuya and Shinjuku.

http://webshop.montbell.jp/goods/disp.php?product_id=1101420

Thanks for sharing.

I did not know the new one had a alumnized coating and DWR.

Can share more about the alumnized coating ? How does it work ?

DWR is a water repellent layer. But my experience with dwr treated fabrics is that they tend to flake off after 2-3 years.
 

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I would go for it if u see savings on the hotel and car rental....

This package much cheaper than the full guided tour but does not factor in petrol, meals (lunch and dinner) and any entrance fees to places of interest. I would love to go with this since it can spend more time at places I enjoyed but my driver don't want to.
 

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But in singapore, the $99 uniqlo is the best value for money? It can go down to $79.90 or $69.90 at times too.

Yeah. If I had to buy only from Singapore, I would definitely get the uniqlo

Hard to find good value.

Actually the montbell items that kifo recommend are really well priced. Same thing in the mountaineering shops at Chinatown point and elsewhere are 250+

Why not order from us if u have the time ? Black Friday/cyber Monday is coming.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s?k=down+jacket

I know it may not always be accurate but I tend to read up on user reviews of kit before I get the confidence to buy.
 

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Thanks for sharing.

I did not know the new one had a alumnized coating and DWR.

Can share more about the alumnized coating ? How does it work ?

DWR is a water repellent layer. But my experience with dwr treated fabrics is that they tend to flake off after 2-3 years.

Aluminized coating is quite gimmicky I feel. I saw the jacket and the inner has a silvery sheen on top of the color of the fabric. Not sure how durable it is. I will be surprised if it can add more than 1 deg of warmth since it is so thinly coated. Even for those space blankets with full silvered coating, their reflective coating is mostly for show.

For DWR coating, it is true it will wear off in common use. The good thing about DWR coating is that it can be reapplied on your own. Just go to any outdoor shop and buy a bottle of water-repellancy spray for outdoor clothings and do it yourself. ReviveX is a good recommendation.

http://www.amazon.com/ReviveX-Durable-Waterproofing-Spray-Outerwear/dp/B002HH0E2I/
 

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Yeah. If I had to buy only from Singapore, I would definitely get the uniqlo

Hard to find good value.

Actually the montbell items that kifo recommend are really well priced. Same thing in the mountaineering shops at Chinatown point and elsewhere are 250+

Why not order from us if u have the time ? Black Friday/cyber Monday is coming.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/s/ref=is_s?k=down+jacket

I know it may not always be accurate but I tend to read up on user reviews of kit before I get the confidence to buy.

If I am going to spend S$250+ for a down jacket, I would get the top of the line ultralight down jacket from Montbell here:

Plasma 1000 Down Jacket - 1000 fill power, 130g. JPY 25,400 excl tax.
http://webshop.montbell.jp/goods/disp.php?product_id=1101493

plus it has a really eye-catching stitching pattern that will make your jacket stands out!
 

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If I am going to spend S$250+ for a down jacket, I would get the top of the line ultralight down jacket from Montbell here:

Plasma 1000 Down Jacket - 1000 fill power, 130g. JPY 25,400 excl tax.
http://webshop.montbell.jp/goods/disp.php?product_id=1101493

plus it has a really eye-catching stitching pattern that will make your jacket stands out!


wah... 130g only!!!
how much will something similar in Northface cost?
 

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If I am going to spend S$250+ for a down jacket, I would get the top of the line ultralight down jacket from Montbell here:

Plasma 1000 Down Jacket - 1000 fill power, 130g. JPY 25,400 excl tax.
http://webshop.montbell.jp/goods/disp.php?product_id=1101493

plus it has a really eye-catching stitching pattern that will make your jacket stands out!

Bro what about the shops at ueno and the stretch of shops between kanda and ochanomizu ?

Are the gear legit ? They have like always lots of gear on clearance
 

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wah... 130g only!!!
how much will something similar in Northface cost?

I hike quite a bit so I am always on a lookout for good outdoor clothing...
and to me, Northface has a poor selection generally. They are more a fashion clothing company than a true outdoor apparel maker. Of course, since their items are usually more fashionable, the brand is also more visible to the general public.

Okay for Northface, they do not have an ultralight down jacket in their lineup currently. Their best down jacket (outside of their summit series - meant for technical mountaineering folks) is the Quince. 800 fill down, 370g jacket. It is a typical down jacket you can wear for skiing in Aspen or Whistler with all the jetset folks. US$250.

https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/mens-quince-jacket-cvs9

For Northface, their so-called "ultralight" insulation jackets are all synthetics, using their own proprietary insulation material called Thermoball. At 350g, I don't find them particularly light or packable actually. US$200. The Thermoball jacket would probably be warmer than the Uniqlo Ultralight down jacket, but maybe equal to the Montbell Plasma.

https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/m...-thermoball-full-zip-jacket-2?variationId=BUX

But then again, I am evaluating all these jackets with the hiking perspective. For normal streetwear, I am sure design and brand matters more to the general public.
 

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I hike quite a bit so I am always on a lookout for good outdoor clothing...
and to me, Northface has a poor selection generally. They are more a fashion clothing company than a true outdoor apparel maker. Of course, since their items are usually more fashionable, the brand is also more visible to the general public.

Okay for Northface, they do not have an ultralight down jacket in their lineup currently. Their best down jacket (outside of their summit series - meant for technical mountaineering folks) is the Quince. 800 fill down, 370g jacket. It is a typical down jacket you can wear for skiing in Aspen or Whistler with all the jetset folks. US$250.

https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/mens-quince-jacket-cvs9

For Northface, their so-called "ultralight" insulation jackets are all synthetics, using their own proprietary insulation material called Thermoball. At 350g, I don't find them particularly light or packable actually. US$200. The Thermoball jacket would probably be warmer than the Uniqlo Ultralight down jacket, but maybe equal to the Montbell Plasma.

https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/m...-thermoball-full-zip-jacket-2?variationId=BUX

But then again, I am evaluating all these jackets with the hiking perspective. For normal streetwear, I am sure design and brand matters more to the general public.


wat brand u usually use for hiking?
I am using Columbia.. coz quite cheap when there is world of sports warehouse sale. price of northface, montbell, mammut etc too scary in sg
 

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Bro what about the shops at ueno and the stretch of shops between kanda and ochanomizu ?

Are the gear legit ? They have like always lots of gear on clearance

Yes ArtSports - OD Box at Ochanomizu is marked on my Google Maps. It is interesting to drop by and see if there are any interesting sale.

http://art-sports.jp/

But I usually prefer going to specialist outdoor shops like ICI Sports or Koujitsusansou for greater range and I also have their point cards :s13:

http://www.ici-sports.com/
https://www.kojitusanso.jp/

But increasingly, I prefer to order online. Unless I am lucky to come across an item on sale when I pass by the shops, I think I can usually find it cheaper on Rakuten or Amazon.JP.
 

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wat brand u usually use for hiking?
I am using Columbia.. coz quite cheap when there is world of sports warehouse sale. price of northface, montbell, mammut etc too scary in sg

Columbia is fine definitely for casual use as well as for some hiking and outdoor activity. As long as you are not trying to climb Everest or mountains in winter, they will probably be sufficient.

I have an Outdoor Research Incandescent jacket and an older Marmot Ama Dablam that I will alternate bringing when I go outdoor hiking in winter. But I have no problem wearing the cheap and cheerful Uniqlo UL jacket when going out to the shops. :s13: Not very fashionable unfortunately. :o
 

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True. Online shopping makes for good deals especially when they overstock in the off season.

And agreed on north face. I never bought into the nuptse nonsense. I have one ice down jacket from them as its a big fluffy bomber jacket style monster for daily use. Bought a closure deal/return item for about 120 inclv of shipping to sg by comgateway.

Very very convenient. Wear it and never layer anything below, just t shirt and jeans. With so many pockets, I don't need to carry a bag. Just stuff everything into the pockets

BTW what you think of this ?

http://www.uniqlo.com/sg/store/women-wind-block-sweat-full-zip-hoodie-1591790032.html

Have heard mixed reviews of uniqlo windblock/wind proof jeans (they got trashed by my friends)

I've been to the shops and they have the male ones as well. Neoprene like material that is waterproof as well. Looks to be a good halfway liner/technical shell.

Thinking of buying one and putting a zip at the armpit area. Will be good enough for a Fuji ascent in summer I think.
 
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True. Online shopping makes for good deals especially when they overstock in the off season.

And agreed on north face. I never bought into the nuptse nonsense. I have one ice down jacket from them as its a big fluffy bomber jacket style monster for daily use. Bought a closure deal/return item for about 120 inclv of shipping to sg by comgateway.

Very very convenient. Wear it and never layer anything below, just t shirt and jeans. With so many pockets, I don't need to carry a bag. Just stuff everything into the pockets

BTW what you think of this ?

http://www.uniqlo.com/sg/store/women-wind-block-sweat-full-zip-hoodie-1591790032.html

Have heard mixed reviews of uniqlo windblock/wind proof jeans (they got trashed by my friends)

I've been to the shops and they have the male ones as well. Neoprene like material that is waterproof as well. Looks to be a good halfway liner/technical shell.

Thinking of buying one and putting a zip at the armpit area. Will be good enough for a Fuji ascent in summer I think.

I saw them at the shop and they look quite good for the price. They will probably be great for wearing during your rest stops and maybe at the top of the mountain.

Fleece with membrane sandwiched inside them have been the latest fad a few years back with Gore Windstopper fabric that you find in genuine hiking wear and the technology seems to have matured a bit and filtered down to general wear manufacturers like Uniqlo.

Fleece by itself is very warm but not windproof at all, as the fabric is very porous, allowing heat to escape with the gentlest breeze. So while wearing fleecy stuff will be very warm indoors for reading your favorite book on the sofa, you will get chilled in a fleece jacket walking down the main road in Hokkaido when the cold wind is blowing from Siberia. Hence the development of a fleece laminated with a breathable film to help block the wind, while still allowing the fabric to breathe.

But with all these synthetic plastic film, they are unable to ventilate the moisture coming out from our body as sweat sufficiently during when worn during activity. Even with Goretex (or even eVent/Neoshell), we will need to vent the jacket through opening front zips or pit zips, especially when hiking or going uphill with a heavy backpack. So for these wind stopping fleece jackets, while they are very warm when you are fully zipped up, you will also probably start sweating too much as well.

My advice is that if you are thinking of wearing them while hiking up the slopes of Mt Fuji, they will probably be too warm. You will be better off with the standard fleece jacket from Uniqlo.
http://www.uniqlo.com/sg/store/women-fleece-long-sleeve-full-zip-jacket-1514140052.html

When you have reached a rest stop and it starts getting cold in the fleece, wear a waterproof or windproof jacket over the fleece and you should instantly warm up again. Then when it is time to start walking again, walk a bit wearing these 2 layers until it feels too warm, then take off the outer jacket. This will allow you more flexibility in regulating your body temperature during a hike.
 

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I saw them at the shop and they look quite good for the price. They will probably be great for wearing during your rest stops and maybe at the top of the mountain.

Fleece with membrane sandwiched inside them have been the latest fad a few years back with Gore Windstopper fabric that you find in genuine hiking wear and the technology seems to have matured a bit and filtered down to general wear manufacturers like Uniqlo.

Fleece by itself is very warm but not windproof at all, as the fabric is very porous, allowing heat to escape with the gentlest breeze. So while wearing fleecy stuff will be very warm indoors for reading your favorite book on the sofa, you will get chilled in a fleece jacket walking down the main road in Hokkaido when the cold wind is blowing from Siberia. Hence the development of a fleece laminated with a breathable film to help block the wind, while still allowing the fabric to breathe.

But with all these synthetic plastic film, they are unable to ventilate the moisture coming out from our body as sweat sufficiently during when worn during activity. Even with Goretex (or even eVent/Neoshell), we will need to vent the jacket through opening front zips or pit zips, especially when hiking or going uphill with a heavy backpack. So for these wind stopping fleece jackets, while they are very warm when you are fully zipped up, you will also probably start sweating too much as well.

My advice is that if you are thinking of wearing them while hiking up the slopes of Mt Fuji, they will probably be too warm. You will be better off with the standard fleece jacket from Uniqlo.
http://www.uniqlo.com/sg/store/women-fleece-long-sleeve-full-zip-jacket-1514140052.html

When you have reached a rest stop and it starts getting cold in the fleece, wear a waterproof or windproof jacket over the fleece and you should instantly warm up again. Then when it is time to start walking again, walk a bit wearing these 2 layers until it feels too warm, then take off the outer jacket. This will allow you more flexibility in regulating your body temperature during a hike.

I did it with my army goretex on top of a long sleeve shirt on top of a mt Fuji uniqlo tee (lol). Like you mentioned, over heat and end up removing my long sleeve. Also discovered at the 8 station, my goretex lining had dried out and was flaking away in clumps.

I'm quite chunky and have a good tolerance for cold but its really really hard to find a good balance between something that can vent heat and something that can keep warm.

Pants wise was just wearing a compression pants and jeans. Wore a army goretex boot which got destroyed after the hike.

I tend to overpack and prepare for mt Fuji. Carry too much kit (assault pack with 9L of water, food and caloriemate for three days worth)

Made a bullet climb from fuji yoshida side (subaru route I think) but failed to make it down in time. Thought the return trip was like the kawaguchigo go go me route with easy scree slope.

This time (third time) I am endeavouring to do it like those Japanese nuts that sprint to the top. No excess weight, minimal kit. Just water bag, sweater and lots of 100 yen coins for the toilets. That's why looking for a windproof light technical shell/fleece thing. Any recommendations ;) ?

The bright green colour also got some practical survival purpose.
 
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I did it with my army goretex on top of a long sleeve shirt on top of a mt Fuji uniqlo tee (lol). Like you mentioned, over heat and end up removing my long sleeve. Also discovered at the 8 station, my goretex lining had dried out and was flaking away in clumps.

I'm quite chunky and have a good tolerance for cold but its really really hard to find a good balance between something that can vent heat and something that can keep warm.

Pants wise was just wearing a compression pants and jeans. Wore a army goretex boot which got destroyed after the hike.

I tend to overpack and prepare for mt Fuji. Carry too much kit (assault pack with 9L of water, food and caloriemate for three days worth)

Made a bullet climb from fuji yoshida side (subaru route I think) but failed to make it down in time. Thought the return trip was like the kawaguchigo go go me route with easy scree slope.

This time (third time) I am endeavouring to do it like those Japanese nuts that sprint to the top. No excess weight, minimal kit. Just water bag, sweater and lots of 100 yen coins for the toilets. That's why looking for a windproof light technical shell/fleece thing. Any recommendations ;) ?

The bright green colour also got some practical survival purpose.

You are planning to do your run in Aug/Sep?

It will be real warm at Station 5 so a thin base layer to start with is probably what you want. Maybe a wind breaker to ward off the chills. After 8th station you may want to put on a thin fleece layer. Many reviewers seems to think a Polartec Thermal Pro is the best fabric now for active insulation (i.e. when you are working up a sweat). A compression tights should be sufficient for your legs, wear a pair of shorts over them like what the Japanese hikers like to do. You might want to bring along a long hiking pants to wear when you reach the higher elevations.

It is only when you stop that you will really feel the chill. For this I recommend a nice down jacket with hood if the weather is good, or a synthetic insulated jacket if it is raining. (But I will seriously reconsider going if the weather forecast is wet. Or I will bring more emergency layers at least.)

My minimum load out for a quick up and down Mt Fuji in Aug will have:
1 short sleeve base wicking layer (worn)
1 full compression tights (worn)
1 shorts (worn)
1 light long pants for hiking (in backpack)
1 pair of thin merino wool socks (worn)
1 ultralight windbreaker (rolled up and hanging on my belt)
1 thin full zip fleece jacket (no hood) (in backpack) (e.g. Columbia Cascade?)
1 light waterproof jacket with hood (in backpack) (as light as possible, not necessary to be breathable cos I dun intend to run in it. Light rain I will wear windbreaker. Heavy rain I will go home.)
1 down jacket with hood (in backpack) (something preferably warmer than the Uniqlo UL jacket)
1 extra short sleeve base layer to change into when I reach the top or when sleeping in the huts (in backpack)
1 extra pair of medium weight wool socks (in backpack)
1 micro-fleece neck warmer (in backpack) (can wear as hat if needed)
1 pair of windstopper fleece glove

At the top, I will be wearing my dry base layer with my possibly damp fleece over it, and then my down jacket and finally my windbreaker. Legs might be a bit cold so I might bring along gaiters, which will help to block wind on my trail runnners which has open mesh panels.
 

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Hi,

i rem that Hokkaido has shops that sells snacks that is from all over Hokkaido, i cant remember which city. Can anyone pass me the location thks ~!
 

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You are planning to do your run in Aug/Sep?

It will be real warm at Station 5 so a thin base layer to start with is probably what you want. Maybe a wind breaker to ward off the chills. After 8th station you may want to put on a thin fleece layer. Many reviewers seems to think a Polartec Thermal Pro is the best fabric now for active insulation (i.e. when you are working up a sweat). A compression tights should be sufficient for your legs, wear a pair of shorts over them like what the Japanese hikers like to do. You might want to bring along a long hiking pants to wear when you reach the higher elevations.

It is only when you stop that you will really feel the chill. For this I recommend a nice down jacket with hood if the weather is good, or a synthetic insulated jacket if it is raining. (But I will seriously reconsider going if the weather forecast is wet. Or I will bring more emergency layers at least.)

My minimum load out for a quick up and down Mt Fuji in Aug will have:
1 short sleeve base wicking layer (worn)
1 full compression tights (worn)
1 shorts (worn)
1 light long pants for hiking (in backpack)
1 pair of thin merino wool socks (worn)
1 ultralight windbreaker (rolled up and hanging on my belt)
1 thin full zip fleece jacket (no hood) (in backpack) (e.g. Columbia Cascade?)
1 light waterproof jacket with hood (in backpack) (as light as possible, not necessary to be breathable cos I dun intend to run in it. Light rain I will wear windbreaker. Heavy rain I will go home.)
1 down jacket with hood (in backpack) (something preferably warmer than the Uniqlo UL jacket)
1 extra short sleeve base layer to change into when I reach the top or when sleeping in the huts (in backpack)
1 extra pair of medium weight wool socks (in backpack)
1 micro-fleece neck warmer (in backpack) (can wear as hat if needed)
1 pair of windstopper fleece glove

At the top, I will be wearing my dry base layer with my possibly damp fleece over it, and then my down jacket and finally my windbreaker. Legs might be a bit cold so I might bring along gaiters, which will help to block wind on my trail runnners which has open mesh panels.


Thanks :) will reference and use this list.

Am bringing a few friends up this coming july. Then headed to furano for the bellybutton festival.

Will do as you propose. I brought two kits of base layer for my previous trip (plus two cans of beer and milk tea for the celebration at the top)

I think I'm packing wrong lol. Too much junk.
 
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