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You don’t. :) You will have to use AWS and read up from its documentation and other sources to be well informed. AWS documentation is rather comprehensive but one can be lost in it easily too if you are not competent to a certain level because you wouldn’t have enough depth to know what to look for. Thus passing the certification is not equivalent to knowing AWS deep enough to architect robustly. There are gotchas along the way that I found out using it extensively in my projects and also research on my own. I say it will take between 1-2 years of real using it to be familiar, and more years to keep up with the ever changing features in AWS. AWS is really large today versus a few years back. That being said you don’t need to be good in all services to be relatively competent in it. :)

Since employers are looking for people with experience, how can an individual learn AWS until he becomes hireable? Does it requires doing alot of side projects to explore AWS?
 

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Well written. I find coding is typically feasible only for 5-10 years post-grad maximum. Beyond that, pay will be stagnant and those that continue are really "passionate" about the coding language itself. Same goes for direct networking and AWS skills.

After 5-10 years, best is to hop to project management track so the bulk of the time consuming coding works can be left to the junior developers or even FTs. You can then focus on the management part which require more personal skills and less time consuming code stuff. If you excel in this, your pay can accelerate faster than a typical developer. Depending on company, this track is also less chance of being replaced fully with FT/CECA since it's more higher corporate level.

If you have the fortune of joining the government sector, most IT depts development/coding works are outsourced to external vendors so you will be fast tracked on the project management track. Regardless of how many new SDK or other coding features launched in the market, u can leave it to the outsourced developers to learn them. U just need to know the high level view to explain to the upper mgt.

So wrong,there is nowhere to hide.. even ceca is invading PM roles..... Look at LinkedIn.
 

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Since employers are looking for people with experience, how can an individual learn AWS until he becomes hireable? Does it requires doing alot of side projects to explore AWS?

While it does requires some industrial knowledge before you will fully understand some of the concepts like high availability, the value of centralised logging, and some decisions that will allow smooth operations, it doesn’t mean you can’t get started on the basics of cloud computing.

One can always sign up a free account with AWS and trial the services, watching AWS online lessons video and if you like attend some of the AWS courses to get started.

Like I have mentioned, just the certifications alone wouldn’t make you great. These knowledge are add-on to your existing knowledge. Simply I wouldn’t trust someone just come to me with a AWS SA certified as a first year software engineer, I doubt any sane hirer will unless the hirer has some wishful thinking or unrealistic expectation of the candidate.

But a relevant certificate to where you are will makes you more attractive as a candidate. If you are just starting out as a software developer, an AWS certified developer will most definitely show more value, likewise if you are already a solution architect, the associate SA certification definitely will make you shine abit more.

None of these certifications are standalone, they are tere just to make your resume more attractive, and of course, like I have mentioned. Grow the knowledge of using the platform properly, that is where you will progress. Not knowing cloud computing from this point onwards as a software engineer generally is a disadvantage to your resume, because it is no longer a question if cloud clouding is the way to go. :)
 

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So wrong,there is nowhere to hide.. even ceca is invading PM roles..... Look at LinkedIn.

Yes, but look at it this way. Project Management give u skills that allow u to find opportunities in non-IT sectors. Business, Operations etc. A 10years+ developer on the other hand, will find it difficult to venture into other fields if retrenched. :s22:
 

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Yes, but look at it this way. Project Management give u skills that allow u to find opportunities in non-IT sectors. Business, Operations etc. A 10years+ developer on the other hand, will find it difficult to venture into other fields if retrenched. :s22:

In my (>25 years in IT) experience PMs become typecast and after a person is PM long enough nobody believes the person can do anything other than PM. Whereas a developer can keep developing, become development manager, go into testing, architecture, cyber security, and so on.
 

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moi oso recently got "promoted" from senior software engineer to asst lead.. boss ask moi to learn how to delegate and do high lvl architecture and design instead of ownself code ownself

moi find it very difficult cos i explain many times then ppl will start to get it and i sometimes get abit annoyed :mad:

what is with the fresh grad nowadays so noob 1 :(
 

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anyone looking for job hop do PM me. my coy still hiring agressively.. from SWE to product manager to SEO specialist to Ops to security.. even marketing role is available

(disclaimer: im just a regular employee there and yes i do get referral fee should u get hired and passed probation)
 

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anyone looking for job hop do PM me. my coy still hiring agressively.. from SWE to product manager to SEO specialist to Ops to security.. even marketing role is available

(disclaimer: im just a regular employee there and yes i do get referral fee should u get hired and passed probation)
How is the pay for SWE ? Need know what Programming language ?
 

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How is the pay for SWE ? Need know what Programming language ?
depends on yr level. can easily 10k up if u r good.. there android swe.. windows swe.. macos swe.. browser extension swe oso have.. if u r nt a coder but IT related.. there are roles for ops.. security..red team.. if u got some relevant experience pm me
 

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moi oso recently got "promoted" from senior software engineer to asst lead.. boss ask moi to learn how to delegate and do high lvl architecture and design instead of ownself code ownself

moi find it very difficult cos i explain many times then ppl will start to get it and i sometimes get abit annoyed :mad:

what is with the fresh grad nowadays so noob 1 :(
Whats ur definition of good fresh grad? Pick stuff up quickly good enuf anot?
 

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Wew is there a similar thread like this for cybersecurity? somewhere?
 

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moi oso recently got "promoted" from senior software engineer to asst lead.. boss ask moi to learn how to delegate and do high lvl architecture and design instead of ownself code ownself

moi find it very difficult cos i explain many times then ppl will start to get it and i sometimes get abit annoyed :mad:

what is with the fresh grad nowadays so noob 1 :(
Something wrong with your communication skills?
 

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Hey guys, where do you find reliable salary figures for the different languages?

For eg, for backend, whats the salary for java, python, C# developer etc
 

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Is anyone in Data Analytics software engineer job?
  • Data visualisation tool
  • SQL knowledge
  • Programming or scripting language
  • Analytical software
  • Distributed architectures
how does it compare to a Web application software engineer? in terms of pay, progression, math intensity, day to day job?

I find data analytics more interesting than boilerplate web applications but afraid to make the job because of maths?

Has anyone transitioned from software engineer to data science/analystics role? how hard was the switch?
 
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Is anyone in Data Analytics software engineer job?
  • Data visualisation tool
  • SQL knowledge
  • Programming or scripting language
  • Analytical software
  • Distributed architectures
how does it compare to a Web application software engineer? in terms of pay, progression, math intensity, day to day job?

I find data analytics more interesting than boilerplate web applications but afraid to make the job because of maths?

Has anyone transitioned from software engineer to data science/analystics role? how hard was the switch?
Most of the time is cleaning up data...nothing fanciful
 

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are there any certifications you can go for if you plan to switch from Web app software engineer to data scientist?

especially since your experience probably won't be enough to do the switch since data science is very rigorous

for web app swe, u can go for OCA, OCP, AWS or if ur into security, CCNA etc

what about data scientist?

many ppl would dismiss professional certs but I think if you do not have the relevant industrial experience, at least it gives the interviewer some grounds to hire u and give u a chance
 

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are there any certifications you can go for if you plan to switch from Web app software engineer to data scientist?

especially since your experience probably won't be enough to do the switch since data science is very rigorous

for web app swe, u can go for OCA, OCP, AWS or if ur into security, CCNA etc

what about data scientist?

many ppl would dismiss professional certs but I think if you do not have the relevant industrial experience, at least it gives the interviewer some grounds to hire u and give u a chance
Data Scientist is a crap job
 
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