Chee Hong Tat: Hurtful for S'porean man to be asked 'What is SAF?' by foreign HR manager during interview

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A Singaporean who attended a job interview at a multinational corporation was once asked about his two years of national service with the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF).

The question of the foreign human resources manager was: "You wrote in your curriculum vitae that you spent two years with the SAF; what is SAF?"

This story was related by NTUC deputy secretary-general Chee Hong Tat, who spoke on Thursday (July 22) at a virtual masterclass event by Human Capital Singapore on key trends impacting Singapore's economy.

Mr Chee said an important factor that affects the "lived experiences" of local workers is how their employers and HR managers treat them at work.

"These experiences are powerful in shaping perceptions, more so than our policy explanations and statistics. When the emotions in our hearts feel different from the logic in our heads, most people will follow their hearts. It is what makes us human," he added.

"As a proud NSman who had served and defended his country, it was hurtful for him to be asked 'What is SAF?'."




The anecdote illustrates the limitations of a foreign HR manager who is not familiar with Singapore, he said.

Whats the point of Chee saying all that unless they're going to do something about it.

Cancel the work pass of such foreign managers?
 

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Ha
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and whose fault is it that a HR manager of a company is a foreigner? Did that HR manager favour applicants from his/her country or university?

Hong Tat only talk halfway
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and whose fault is it that a HR manager of a company is a foreigner? Did that HR manager favour applicants from his/her country or university?

Hong Tat only talk halfway
Cos he don't dare to elaborate on the story.
Most likely the candidate don't get the job
 

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To be fair.

Foreigners dont know what is SAF.
 
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Why do we even need foreigners to be HR managers?

The point is what is SAF and the foreigner doesn't know whats that is irrelevant

More importantly, will that be used against the Singaporean?
Chee didn't elaborate and I think the truth is it was and it will be
 

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last time moi go interview the lady from HR also say SAF what leaving cert no use no need. they don't care how good or bad we service in SAF de.
 

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All the managers are FT... SInkies are workers jin jialat
 

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I only rmb as NSF I went down to Comcentre needed to renew my phone contract then, the person tell me "sarf day" discount not available. Took me 2 mins to know she is talking about SAF.
 
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There is also another one i noticed. Some foreign HR managers will ask about the "gap" after leaving school if you do not include NS. I think it is particularly bad for younger job seekers from poly.
 

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for me, i would investigate and if true, I'd not hesitate to fire the hr person man.
 

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Was she a 'South Asian' HR like this girl?


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There is also another one i noticed. Some foreign HR managers will ask about the "gap" after leaving school if you do not include NS. I think it is particularly bad for younger job seekers from poly.

Yes
That's why need to put in NS and SAF experience.
If not, the foreigners will ask about it.
Probably cos they know nothing about CV or not serious about the CV and want to make conversation and pick faults with CV when they see a 2 years gap
 

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last time i work in a company my manager is a local female grad from NUS
i tell her i going for reservist next month
she ask me what is reservist?
then I found out from my corlick she got 4 daughter and her hubby is malaysian
so not all FT HR are bodoh
local lady also not very smart
 
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last time i work in a company my manager is a local female grad from NUS
i tell her i going for reservist next month
she ask me what is reservist?
then I found out from my corlick she got 4 daughter and her hubby is malaysian
so not all FT HR are bodoh
local lady also not very smart
Typical shallow ignorant Singaporean woman
 

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60% voted for more FT more familiar with CECAdia than SAF
 

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SG churn out hundreds, if not thousands of business grads every year, but end up still not enough people to do HR work, need to employ foreign HR managers.
 

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I am also hurted just like cht.

This sinkie should not disturb the peace of the foreigner HR. If he appliy to GrabFood or Foodpanda or those industries reserved specially for sinkies, that question will not come up!
 
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