Criteria to get into OCS & Slimming down

[bryan1709]

Hey guys, I'm out for my first bookout and i'm delighted to be back home. However i got a 2 questions that is bugging my mind.

Firstly was regarding OCS.

I'm from Hawk Coy in the PTP & leadership batch. I'm extremely interested into getting posted to OCS. Unfortunately, I'm not quite sure on the exact criteria on how to get into OCS. Anyone from OCS or experienced NSF man able to tell me how does the people get selected for OCS. I'm like seriously willing to do all out just to get posted to OCS.

Secondly was regarding Slimming down.

I find it extremely hard to slim down while in NS as compared to outside of pulau tekong. IMO, i find tekong food not as healthy as expected. Usually during my lunch and dinner, i only ate 2 spoonful of rice while eating the veg and the meat(with very little sauce), soup, fruit and 1 cup of drink while my breakfast i wouldn't eat much. However i'm inside for 2 week. Instead of losing weight i put on 2 kg -_- Anyone can tell me what is wrong. I know water parade could be the cause but its water afterall. We lose water overtime i suppose. I'm afraid that i might suffer from water retention.

Thanks for all the honest and serious replies

 

[Successor.]

Hi,

I was from PTP leadership batch before so I can definetly you advise you 1 or 2 regarding that.

I believe you are one of those borderline obese guy who failed to get into Obese BMT (>BMI 27) instead?

I believe that you should have been briefed on the criterion on passing BMT, in which are the criterion you should look to excel in to get into OCS.

1. Gold for IPPT

2. Good timing for SOC probably 7mins or below or so I heard (I wasn't required to take SOC as it was during the change period during my BMT)

3. Marksmen scoring at least 26/32 for your shoot. Please don't bungle up for your night laser shoot for 50m. I lost 8 shots at that and cost me my marksman as I was too confident that my BMT officers would do it properly for me. Always check your calibration on the SAR21 laser.

4. Do well for your SITEST and express interest to the NSMEN conducting officers on your interest for OCS. To get to OCS, a comfortable 80 marks and above which most PC reveal the scores to you closing the end of your BMT.

Anyway SITEST has a component on your peer review (comprising people from other platoons). Please put in the same effort for both days of the SITEST, I did quite well for day 1, but slack on day 2, so I got an average score.

5. Do not fail your Peer assessment graded by your section mates.

6. If you are ever appointed for Platoon/Section IC, just do your best. Try to memorise songs and the commands will get you far.

7. Try not to miss and trainings including route march. Attendance is important.

8. Lastly, getting platoon or company best recruit, company fittest will get you a high chance to OCS as proven.

9. Finally, I don't know if you do know this for fitness. If you gain weight, it's either you gain muscle mass (most probably) or you could be eating insufficiently needed for weight loss. You need to eat to lose weight. If you exercise so much but not eating enough, your body will go into shock mode and you will not get the results you need.

Trust me I eat plates of rice, meat and vegetables and I came out from BMT with a flat stomach.


That being said, all the best for your endeavour into OCS. Currently only top 10% of your entire cohort gets into OCS.

 

[reddevil0728]

Hi,

I was from PTP leadership batch before so I can definetly you advise you 1 or 2 regarding that.

I believe you are one of those borderline obese guy who failed to get into Obese BMT (>BMI 27) instead?

I believe that you should have been briefed on the criterion on passing BMT, in which are the criterion you should look to excel in to get into OCS.

1. Gold for IPPT

2. Good timing for SOC probably 7mins or below or so I heard (I wasn't required to take SOC as it was during the change period during my BMT)

3. Marksmen scoring at least 26/32 for your shoot. Please don't bungle up for your night laser shoot for 50m. I lost 8 shots at that and cost me my marksman as I was too confident that my BMT officers would do it properly for me. Always check your calibration on the SAR21 laser.

4. Do well for your SITEST and express interest to the NSMEN conducting officers on your interest for OCS. To get to OCS, a comfortable 80 marks and above which most PC reveal the scores to you closing the end of your BMT.

Anyway SITEST has a component on your peer review (comprising people from other platoons). Please put in the same effort for both days of the SITEST, I did quite well for day 1, but slack on day 2, so I got an average score.

5. Do not fail your Peer assessment graded by your section mates.

6. If you are ever appointed for Platoon/Section IC, just do your best. Try to memorise songs and the commands will get you far.

7. Try not to miss and trainings including route march. Attendance is important.

8. Lastly, getting platoon or company best recruit, company fittest will get you a high chance to OCS as proven.

9. Finally, I don't know if you do know this for fitness. If you gain weight, it's either you gain muscle mass (most probably) or you could be eating insufficiently needed for weight loss. You need to eat to lose weight. If you exercise so much but not eating enough, your body will go into shock mode and you will not get the results you need.

Trust me I eat plates of rice, meat and vegetables and I came out from BMT with a flat stomach.


That being said, all the best for your endeavour into OCS. Currently only top 10% of your entire cohort gets into OCS.

1) I really doubt the BASIC criteria for entering OCS is a GOLD for IPPT. I have heard of cases of people (can't independently verify myself) who failed IPPT who actually got into OCS. That being said, I believe the basic criteria would at least be a pass, anything better would probably aid one in some ways.

2) I also don't think SOC is a basic criteria at all, but a good timing would definitely be helpful.

3) I don't think there's an absolute figure for range, a pass would definitely be necessary since if you don't pass, you have to reshoot anyway from what I know. Anything better, or even a marksman would definitely be helpful.

4) Care to share where did you get the "80 marks and above" criteria?

8) High chance or not, we probably will never know without statistical data, but logically it would be helpful.

Also how did you come to the "Currently only top 10% of your entire cohort gets into OCS." conclusion? Got statistical data you got access to?

 

[Carnesir]

Hey guys, I'm out for my first bookout and i'm delighted to be back home. However i got a 2 questions that is bugging my mind.

Firstly was regarding OCS.

I'm from Hawk Coy in the PTP & leadership batch. I'm extremely interested into getting posted to OCS. Unfortunately, I'm not quite sure on the exact criteria on how to get into OCS. Anyone from OCS or experienced NSF man able to tell me how does the people get selected for OCS. I'm like seriously willing to do all out just to get posted to OCS.

Secondly was regarding Slimming down.

I find it extremely hard to slim down while in NS as compared to outside of pulau tekong. IMO, i find tekong food not as healthy as expected. Usually during my lunch and dinner, i only ate 2 spoonful of rice while eating the veg and the meat(with very little sauce), soup, fruit and 1 cup of drink while my breakfast i wouldn't eat much. However i'm inside for 2 week. Instead of losing weight i put on 2 kg -_- Anyone can tell me what is wrong. I know water parade could be the cause but its water afterall. We lose water overtime i suppose. I'm afraid that i might suffer from water retention.

Thanks for all the honest and serious replies

I was from OCS during my days, and find ur post intriguing.

you have to ask urself a few questions:

1. what motivates u to go ocs? pride prestige honor money girls?

seriously, going to ocs u get all, but to me the most impt was money, nothing else. find ur purpose and motivation to last u through bmt, cause without it, u will nv find the purpose to finish through.

2. what kind of person are u? the pple i met in ocs can be categorized into a few categories:
- Parents background rich/politically powerful(white horses-is true)
- Super fit
- Super smart
- outspoken (not wayang, they really give good ideas)
- able to motivate others/lead/get others to follow you

all these 5 factors play a part. you need to be very good in one of these/or have a little of all. without these qualities ur chances of going ocs is very low. and u only have ur bmt days to figure it out.

with regards to ur question of slimming down; it doesn matter. tekong food wun nv be that unhealthy. most likely is muscles gain. i met someone in my days who looks fatter and bulkier then me, only to realise he was diver and a sub9 2.4km runner. is not the outlook, is the results.

 

[Successor.]

1) I really doubt the BASIC criteria for entering OCS is a GOLD for IPPT. I have heard of cases of people (can't independently verify myself) who failed IPPT who actually got into OCS. That being said, I believe the basic criteria would at least be a pass, anything better would probably aid one in some ways.

2) I also don't think SOC is a basic criteria at all, but a good timing would definitely be helpful.

3) I don't think there's an absolute figure for range, a pass would definitely be necessary since if you don't pass, you have to reshoot anyway from what I know. Anything better, or even a marksman would definitely be helpful.

4) Care to share where did you get the "80 marks and above" criteria?

8) High chance or not, we probably will never know without statistical data, but logically it would be helpful.

Also how did you come to the "Currently only top 10% of your entire cohort gets into OCS." conclusion? Got statistical data you got access to?

1-5) I don't think I would actually want to explain to you in detail. All of these were shared by my BMT PCs and even if I had the statistical data, there is no way I am sharing that with you anytime.

You are just quoting some of the rare or minority cases just to prove me wrong because you think you could outsmart me. But better luck next time.

Anyway the 10%, if you know it, you know it, if you don't know it, then I can't help it either.

 

[reddevil0728]

1-5) I don't think I would actually want to explain to you in detail. All of these were shared by my BMT PCs and even if I had the statistical data, there is no way I am sharing that with you anytime.

You are just quoting some of the rare or minority cases just to prove me wrong because you think you could outsmart me. But better luck next time.

Anyway the 10%, if you know it, you know it, if you don't know it, then I can't help it either.

Well it's definitely your prerogative to not want to explain in details. At the same time it's also my prerogative to question your statements. No doubt there are truths to the information shared by your PCs, but what they share does not necessary represent the actual or exact same criteria that ultimately decides who gets to go OCS or not. No doubt also that they definitely have a say in it, no doubt also that they have more information about it, no doubt also that they have heard more about it, but at the end of the day, what they say might just be a "suggested" guideline so it's always good to note the diff. Well, if the statistical data are not available in the public domain, it's probably classified should not be shared in any shape or form. To claim that you can draw conclusion to a certain issue without having access to statistical data would probably mean that you come to that conclusion based on your conjecture. If not you might be treading in dangerous water by using information you are privy to to come to conclusion?

If you are claiming that what you say is a theory and not an opinion, there's no way I can quote any sorts of exception. I do not have to outsmart you, actually I do not even have to be smarter than you to cast doubts on your statements to provide caveat. I do not need any luck actually. Not relying on any to be honest.

Haha. Your last statement pretty sums up what you actually know and do not know. Well this is my opinion, and that's yours

 

[Successor.]

Okay thanks for telling me that I know more then you. Ask anyone here and I believe you will lose hands down.

I don't need empty vessels like you to prove that I am right.
Over here you are entitled to your opinion, but people like me who knows my stuffs will never be agreeing to you.

Your job here is probably to disagree with others just to claim credit FOR THE FACT you know nothing on national service. Your "suggested guideline" statement probably sums it all up.

Some things are meant to be shared and I am sure I don't need people like you who have totally no knowledge to question me and and my source of knowledge.

 

[reddevil0728]

Okay thanks for telling me that I know more then you. Ask anyone here and I believe you will lose hands down.

I don't need empty vessels like you to prove that I am right.
Over here you are entitled to your opinion, but people like me who knows my stuffs will never be agreeing to you.

Your job here is probably to disagree with others just to claim credit FOR THE FACT you know nothing on national service. Your "suggested guideline" statement probably sums it all up.

Some things are meant to be shared and I am sure I don't need people like you who have totally no knowledge to question me and and my source of knowledge.

I think your interpretation of what I said is very powerful. But it's your own interpretation, if you see it that way so be it. I don't see why the need to ask other people, they have their own opinion, they can decide and believe whatever they want. I don't see the need to ask them actually. If you so wish to "secure" yourself, you can go ahead and ask, it's up to you. But at the end of the day it's still an opinion.

Well that's your opinion and I respect your right to have your own opinion, but I do not necessary agree with it.
Well, you said it, people are entitled to their own opinion, so I am expressing my own opinion. It's your own opinion that you know your stuffs, but it might be opinion that you actually don't.

Well, I am definitely not getting paid to post my opinions here, so I don't think it's actually a job to disagree. I do not actually always have to disagree because I do not have all the information I need, hence I am casting doubts on statements that I am doubtful of and hope the party who talks about it will enlighten me. It's in my opinion that there's no credits to be claimed at all, and if you think I am claiming credits, so be it, it's your opinion. Also it's your opinion that I know nothing. Well again, if you want to pull a quick one, it's up to you.

Well who's to decide whether "classified" are meant to be shared. I am pretty sure that's not you, unless you can correct me? Of course you can be sure about whether you want people "who have totally no knowledge" to question your source of knowledge, because that's your opinion/believe. But I have a contrasting point of view to that.

 

[fuzleh]

I was from Hawk Coy 03/12 batch. Cpt Izzudin still the OC?

 

[bryan1709]

Yes he is.

 

[lcornwisky]

do note that ur ns liability will be increased to 50 if u do become an officer

 

[WolfyWoof]

Hi I'm from kestrel coy! Just behind ur coy building only. Gonna pop in 8 more days lo!

If u are considered to be skinny by your peers then maybe the gain in mass is u approaching ur natural weight with the aid of tekong food.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[bryan1709]

to be honest, i'm more towards the obese side. Just that the fat % at MO did not exceed above their limits. That is why i'm pretty far away in terms of fitness compared to my fellow peers.

 

[bryan1709]

what do you mind by NS liabilities ?

 

[reddevil0728]

what do you mind by NS liabilities ?

reservist....

 

[coolad74]

90% pre-determined before enlistment liao... Wat IPPT gold, SOC 7min, SITest, all nonsense

I keng and keng during BMT still kana posted there....

Btw.. I not white horse or super smart or super vocal or super fit...

Keep it mind ocifer reservist longer and ICT also longer ... Book in earliest and out pro last...

FT replace u easy easy once u join the workforce

 

[reddevil0728]

90% pre-determined before enlistment liao... Wat IPPT gold, SOC 7min, SITest, all nonsense

I keng and keng during BMT still kana posted there....

Btw.. I not white horse or super smart or super vocal or super fit...

Keep it mind ocifer reservist longer and ICT also longer ... Book in earliest and out pro last...

FT replace u easy easy once u join the workforce

How you know 90%?

 

[coolad74]

How you know 90%?

Gut feel loh... Coz my BMT got a few siao on type... Everything also do... Volunteer this ... Chiong 1st... In the end posted to combat engineer...

Want 100% go OCS if not pre-selected... Sign on...

 

[Shion]

To be honest I have no idea what is the criteria. Last time when I was serving, I see a lot of cmi people can get into command school. I was like wtf...And some of my superiors they don't really look like they can lead. They just don't have the commander feel.

 

[P0TMKILLMAN]

TS, are u sure u wanna go ocs be officer?

mean Reservist till 50 age or clear 10 cycles ICT, which ever come earlier.

ICT also being called up more frequent for adv party or pre-ICT brief.....

If cannot haven clear finished 10 cycles ICT, may have to do IPPT till age 50.

Let say you fail IPPT always after ORD due to buibuiness, thus RT till age 50.....like that song bo.....