Electric fan discussions - kdk and other brands

o blong

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Hi Jmathew1108, is your recommendation on these 2 brands still valid ?

I need to buy ceiling fans for living area and bedrooms.


Personal experience.. those 2 brands also got occasional pcb/capacitor problems..especially the LED pcb.. just like the kdk described by jmathew



Not sure which brand to trust now
 
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Hi Jmathew1108, is your recommendation on these 2 brands still valid ?

I need to buy ceiling fans for living area and bedrooms.

My observation is that regardless of whatever brand, expect an average lifespan of about 5 years before issues start to come up. So decide for yourself how much you are willing to spend for a fan with such a lifespan. Don't think paying more for it or buying a kdk automatically means that it will last long/be problem-free. Pretty much every appliance these days are designed to fail

If you want to buy in sg, i would think fanco is good enough.

My ultimate recommendation would be, if you have a vehicle and the time, go to JB and buy kdk/Panasonic fans from there. Getting the same thing at half or one third the price you'd pay here. A steal for kdk motor quality and even if it spoils, throwing it out won't be such a heartache.
 
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My observation is that regardless of whatever brand, expect an average lifespan of about 5 years before issues start to come up. So decide for yourself how much you are willing to spend for a fan with such a lifespan. Don't think paying more for it or buying a kdk automatically means that it will last long/be problem-free. Pretty much every appliance these days are designed to fail

If you want to buy in sg, i would think fanco is good enough.

My ultimate recommendation would be, if you have a vehicle and the time, go to JB and buy kdk/Panasonic fans from there. Getting the same thing at half or one third the price you'd pay here. A steal for kdk motor quality and even if it spoils, throwing it out won't be such a heartache.

Thank you for your alternative suggestion. For fans bought in JB, how do I get installation and after-sale technical support in SG (I'll pay) ? I understood, no "international warranty".

o blong, thanks.
 

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Thank you for your alternative suggestion. For fans bought in JB, how do I get installation and after-sale technical support in SG (I'll pay) ? I understood, no "international warranty".

o blong, thanks.

There is no perfect solution. If you are paying somewhere 1/3 to 1/2 of what you are paying in Singapore. You may have to forgo warranty or find sometime to bring back for warranty claim. Worse case, buy 2 at a cost of 1 to covers warranty.
 

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Thank you for your alternative suggestion. For fans bought in JB, how do I get installation and after-sale technical support in SG (I'll pay) ? I understood, no "international warranty".

o blong, thanks.

Installation any handyman or electrician can do for you since fans are identical to what's found here. Warranty wise, don't think you should worry too much as kdk fan almost will never fail within the 1 year warranty period. Small risk to take for the big savings.
 

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Installation any handyman or electrician can do for you since fans are identical to what's found here. Warranty wise, don't think you should worry too much as kdk fan almost will never fail within the 1 year warranty period. Small risk to take for the big savings.

Ok, saw installation quotes, around $50/fan.

For repair after X years, I couldn't find much clue. There used to be a guy in a HDB shop near my place, but he had since retired.
 

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There is no perfect solution. If you are paying somewhere 1/3 to 1/2 of what you are paying in Singapore. You may have to forgo warranty or find sometime to bring back for warranty claim. Worse case, buy 2 at a cost of 1 to covers warranty.

Oh yes, no international warranty, I knew and accepted that. I'm finding a technician for that eventuality as going back and forth JB may not worth the effort. Stock up extra set is a common strategy for distributor or local agent, my concern is storage space. I wonder we can forum a local self-help stockists community, Lol. I can solve the spare issue but I still need an on-site electrician as my first choice.
 

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printing this for my dad, thanks for the tips!

After servicing numerous fans for many forumers here, realised something in common with almost every fan brought to me which is the lack of cleaning/maintenance or utilising an incorrect technique to clean the fans.

1. Cleaning the grille and blade isn't enough, as shown in the photo below, a lot of dust and debris get stuck inside the motor housing causing problems, one being that the motor may become sluggish and the other being that dust blocks the vents at the back of the cover which are meant for air to circulate and cool down the motor. Blocked vent holes means heat is unable to escape and may trip the thermal fuse causing the fan to simply stop spinning. Simple solution is to use a screwdriver to open up and clean off the inside once or twice a year. Some say they don't know how to do it as the oscillating knob is blocking, on kdk and Panasonic fans the oscillating knob is not held down by any screws, just pull with force upwards and it will come out.




2. Using excessive amounts of water in cleaning. Personally i don't recommend washing fans. But if you must do it make sure to let everything dry before assembling back. People put wet blades onto the shaft and causes it to rust, even worse that water will drip into the bearings causing it to rust and make noise. A number of people have perfectly working fan but can't use as too noisy due to rusted bearings. Unfortunately once bearing damaged it is irreversible

3. Fans needs oiling from time to time. It's a moving mechanism after all and like your cars engine, the bearings and motor require lubrication at least once every year. Some people leave their fans unlubricated and it becomes so stiff until it can't move and they think it's spoilt. Also always remember there are 2 bearings im every fan, one in th front and at the rear.
 

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Guys, I got a n00b question. For ceiling fans, from my observation and testing in-stores, the first fan speed is it always very slow? Like must set to speed #2 or #3 then can feel one..? Some models, speed #2 also like not strong. Have see see look look Fanco, Elmark, KDK so far..

Eventually, am eyeing for 2x Relite + 1x Panasonic with LED light (Malaysia) + 1x KDK (Malaysia) for my house.. [low ceiling type].

Many thanks in advance, for sharing your info..
 

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I have 2 Relite ceiling fans running for about 18 years, still going strong. Some of the paint from the blades have come off, but overall, still good.

For fan speed, I stick to 1 or 2 mainly which is enough for me, I guess also depends on the space the fan is trying to cover.

I think I will continue with Relite next time still.

Guys, I got a n00b question. For ceiling fans, from my observation and testing in-stores, the first fan speed is it always very slow? Like must set to speed #2 or #3 then can feel one..? Some models, speed #2 also like not strong. Have see see look look Fanco, Elmark, KDK so far..

Eventually, am eyeing for 2x Relite + 1x Panasonic with LED light (Malaysia) + 1x KDK (Malaysia) for my house.. [low ceiling type].

Many thanks in advance, for sharing your info..
 

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Guys, I got a n00b question. For ceiling fans, from my observation and testing in-stores, the first fan speed is it always very slow? Like must set to speed #2 or #3 then can feel one..? Some models, speed #2 also like not strong. Have see see look look Fanco, Elmark, KDK so far..

Eventually, am eyeing for 2x Relite + 1x Panasonic with LED light (Malaysia) + 1x KDK (Malaysia) for my house.. [low ceiling type].

Many thanks in advance, for sharing your info..

Depends on the model of fan, most fans have 3 speeds but some fans have 5,7,9 etc. Speeds increments need to be linear. So the speed 1 of a 9 speed fan will be slower than the speed 1 of a 3 speed.
 

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Anyone knows how to remove the back cover for KDK ST30 box fan for cleaning purposes TIA.
 

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bro, can you tell us the symptoms when either of these capacitor fail?

for 1 of my fan, I changed the capacitor at the main PCB, but it's still not spinning normally. so I should change the fan motor capacitor, right?

and what kind of oil do you suggest using for oiling the bearing?
 

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Installation any handyman or electrician can do for you since fans are identical to what's found here. Warranty wise, don't think you should worry too much as kdk fan almost will never fail within the 1 year warranty period. Small risk to take for the big savings.

I believe to install ceiling fan need to balance the fan blades right? I'm looking for someone to install and balance my Malaysian KDK ceiling fan. Any recommendation?
 

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bro, can you tell us the symptoms when either of these capacitor fail?

for 1 of my fan, I changed the capacitor at the main PCB, but it's still not spinning normally. so I should change the fan motor capacitor, right?

and what kind of oil do you suggest using for oiling the bearing?

PCB capacitor failure - fan shut off by itself once turned on or certain buttons pressed.

Motor capacitor failure - fan spinning slowly or struggling to start. Still should be able to hear motor humming or feel vibrations

If the motor is totally silent despite the switches working properly usually its due to blown thermal fuse.

The commonly found singer oil is good enough
 
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great piece of Info* for diagnostic purpose!


PCB capacitor failure - fan shut off by itself once turned on or certain buttons pressed.

Motor capacitor failure - fan spinning slowly or struggling to start. Still should be able to hear motor humming or feel vibrations
 

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bro, can you tell us the symptoms when either of these capacitor fail?

for 1 of my fan, I changed the capacitor at the main PCB, but it's still not spinning normally. so I should change the fan motor capacitor, right?

and what kind of oil do you suggest using for oiling the bearing?

Usually is the one at fan motor (black color one in your picture).
 

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bros, do you know where I can get this 105J 400v capacitor?

I went to space electronics and they don't have it. they have 105k, which they said it likely not suitable.
 
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