How to choose a mesh router

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Top models if you have to use wireless backhaul (triband): Netgear Orbi RBK85x, Asus Zenwifi XT8; Netgear RBK75x; Linksys MX4200

Good options if you can use Ethenet backhaul: Asus AIMesh (dual band models will be good enough).

Special solution with Powerline (lower performance but good coverage if you do not have LAN ports in the rooms): Asus Zenwifi XP4 (AX1800+AV1300), TP-Link P9 (AC1200+AV1000)



From the SingTel Mesh solution thread.

A long but pretty good write-up for the mesh system vs others, and Ethernet backhaul vs wireless backhaul.

From DongKonws.com
https://dongknows.com/mesh-wi-fi-system-explained/

1) Wired backhaul: The only way to get the best performing mesh

The best way to implement a mesh is by using network cables to link the hubs together in a wired backhaul setup. In this case, you’ll always have the best possible Wi-Fi speeds throughout.
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You don’t need to worry much about how to arrange the hubs in a wired backhaul setup. Within reason, no matter the distance or placement, you’ll get the same performance.
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2) Wireless backhaul: Super convenient but can be temperamental

Running network cables can be hard or even not possible at all. So wireless mesh setups are popular. In this case, how you arrange the hubs is crucial. That’s because, over the air, the connections between them can vary a great deal.

To deal with that, there are two things to consider, the distance and the topology.

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Mesh routers to be avoided if using SingTel.

No 1 to avoid is Google Nest WiFi (or the old Google WiFi).

Two major problem:
1) if used with ONR, Google does not support mesh in AP mode, so you will face Double NAT.
2) if used with ONT, it does not support SingTel VLAN, so again you need to use it after VLAN capable router, so Double NAT will happen again.

No idea why SingTel is selling Google Nest Wifi (seems not selling any more).

No 2, avoid Askey/Airties unless you need wireless connection for the SingTel TV box.

They are heavily tied to SingTel network as you need to be on SingTel network for firmware updates
 
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Best mesh system from DongKnows in 2022 (for reference -- some models are not available in Singapore),

1. Dual band (better for those who can use Ethernet backhaul)

Asus ZenWiFi XD6: The XT8’s wired alternative (8.9 out of 10)
Asus ZenWiFi AX Mini: Representing the plenty of dual-band AiMesh options (8.1 out of 10)

TP-Link Deco X4300 Pro: A sensible Dual-band mesh for a (wired) home with Gigabit broadband (8 out of 10)
Netgear Nighthawk MK63: The beginning of EasyMesh (8 out of 10)
Netgear SXK30 Orbi Pro Mini: A reliable business mesh for a home (7.9 out of 10)

2. Triband (better for those who have to use Wireless backhaul)

Asus ZenWiFi Pro XT12: The ultimate Wi-Fi 6 purpose-built home mesh system (9 out of 10)
Asus ZenWiFi XT8: Representing the plenty of tri-band AiMesh options (8.9 out of 10)

Synology RT6600ax as a mesh: A genuine pro mesh system (8.8 out of 10)
Netgear Orbi AX4200 (RBK752): Possibly the most rounded Orbi to date (8.5 out of 10)
Ubiquiti AmpliFi Alien Mesh Kit: An Odd Pair of Wi-Fi 6 Tango (8.5 out of 10)
Linksys Velop MX4200: A totally well-priced mesh for a large home (8.3 out of 10)
Deco X5700: TP-Link’s best Wi-Fi 6 Mesh system to date (8 out of 10)
Netgear Orbi RBK852: The expensive Wi-Fi 6 mesh that delivers (8.0 out of 10)
ARRIS SURFboard mAX AC6600: Easy, reliable, but limited (7.4 out of 10)
 
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Dedicated mesh vs Asus AIMesh, Xiaomi Mesh and Huawei HiLink Mesh

Dedicated mesh solution: usually nicer looking with internal antennas, got triband options, ease of use, potentially limited features.

Normal router based mesh solution: not many triband options, more complete features
 
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Mesh systems which have good track record.

Top models if you have to use wireless backhaul (triband): Netgear Orbi RBK85x, Asus Zenwifi XT8; Netgear RBK75x; Linksys MX4200

Good options if you can use Ethenet backhaul: Asus AIMesh (dual band models will be good enough).

Special solution with Powerline (lower performance but good coverage if you do not have LAN ports in the rooms): Asus Zenwifi XP4 (AX1800+AV1300), TP-Link P9 (AC1200+AV1000)


Netgear Orbi: RBK50, RBK752/753, RBK852/853 triband
Orbi RBK353 (dual band)

Linksys Velop compatible triband (avoid them if using SingTel ONT as they do not support SingTel Vlan): MX5300, MX4200, Velop triband

Asus Zenwifi: CT8 AC and XT8 triband; XD4 and XD6 dual band; ASUS ZenWiFi Pro XT12 is the top end triband AX11000 now but pretty expensive.

TP-Link Deco: AC: M4/M5 if can use Ethernet backhaul, if not Deco M9+ triband
AX: Deco X20, X25, X50, X55 and X60
AX triband: Deco X68, X75 and X90

Asus AIMesh: excellent choice if with Ethernet backhaul (mostly dual band, except expensive AX11000 which is triband)

Xiaomi AX6000, Xiaomi AX3600 (China version and Global version), AX3000 (global version), Xiaomi AX1800, Redmi AX5400, Redmi AX6, Redmi AX6S, Redmi AX3000 and AX5 (no mesh in AP mode, not recommended for SingTel users), low cost dual band solution, very good if using Ethernet backhaul

Xiaomi AX9000 (China version and Global version) : high end triband

Huawei AX3 Pro and Huawei AX3 China version, as well as Huawei AX3 QuadCore Global version: one of the lowest cost dual band solution, pretty good for the price. But the global version seems to be of very limited stock or no more stock as in March 2022.

Xiaomi AX3000 dual pack global version (around S$169) seems to be of very good value now that Huawei AX3 Quad Core Global version is out of stock.
 
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Hi How about D-link mesh system? currently looking at COVR-X 1870 to replace my SH routers?like to go with the wifi 6 mesh system.TQ
 

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Hi How about D-link mesh system? currently looking at COVR-X 1870 to replace my SH routers?like to go with the wifi 6 mesh system.TQ

No idea. Hopefully users of D-Link can chime in. Very few mentioning of D-Link Mesh solution in this forum. In reality there are very few discussions on D-Link routers other than the old Starhub DIR-868L in this forum.
 

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xiaofan, what do you think of AX11000 as the main router + Asus XT8 triband as nodes with ethernet backhaul? For a large (say about 8000 sq ft) 3 storey house with lots of walls and floors?

Or would AX11000 as the main router + RT-AX92U be a better choice?
 
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xiaofan, what do you think of AX11000 as the main router + Asus XT8 triband as nodes with ethernet backhaul? For a large (say about 8000 sq ft) 3 storey house with lots of walls and floors?

Or would AX11000 as the main router + RT-AX92U be a better choice?

If you can use Ethernet backhaul, I will suggest you save the money and get RT-AX58U as mesh nodes.

RT-AX11000 as main node.
2* RT-AX58U as mesh nodes for the other two floors.

XT8 and RT-AX92U are triband and overkill for your use case.
 

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Yes, I can use ethernet backhaul.

I will not see better wireless performance with XT8 or RT-AX92U + RT-AX11000 as the main router/main node given that the RT-AX11000 is tri-band?
 
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Yes, I can use ethernet backhaul.

I will not see better wireless performance with XT8 or RT-AX92U + RT-AX11000 as the main router/main node given that the RT-AX11000 is tri-band?

Ethernet backhaul is always better than wireless backhaul.

Triband is more meaningful for wireless backhaul.
 

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Always have a budget and expectation : cheap means limited or with draw backs

Now is the time to go 80% all in if housing is all done


All the folks I’ve introduced to from my work place into the world of mesh initially complained of the $800 and holy figures, once dust is settled all kept quiet without streaming or dead spots


From not getting connection to near dead spots to now steaming 4K without issue on multiple device ( zen xt8)


Still multiple room and common corridor LAN ports > tri band mesh > one powerful “gaming router” > other recommendations


Had one colleague almost got conned by those singtel fiber sales, saying they need mesh when just one

ax82u was enough to fill up their moderate sized place

And mind you, it was the Low end Linksys mesh :s22:


Good thread as fate would have it, with the lock down still in place, more average family folks are looking into better solution to work from home and study from home

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xiaofan, what do you think of AX11000 as the main router + Asus XT8 triband as nodes with ethernet backhaul? For a large (say about 8000 sq ft) 3 storey house with lots of walls and floors?

Or would AX11000 as the main router + RT-AX92U be a better choice?

Though the suggested answer is very good, I would throw in this


Get the 3 node ax mesh systems

Expensive AF but long haul is gonna be easier

Orrrrrrr you might consider asking some of the bros here for “pro Summer” AP =:p :o



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Though the suggested answer is very good, I would throw in this


Get the 3 node ax mesh systems

Expensive AF but long haul is gonna be easier

Orrrrrrr you might consider asking some of the bros here for “pro Summer” AP =:p :o



Posted from PCWX using iPhone12,5

Which 3 node AX mesh systems do you have in mind?
 

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Which 3 node AX mesh systems do you have in mind?

I assume you already got the Asus GT-AX11000, right?

If not you can consider cheaper RT-AX88U as the main router. Then add mesh nodes.

2* RT-AX82U AX5400 if you want to be more future proof as it has 4*4 AX 160 MHz support for 5GHz band.

2* RT-AX58U AX3000 is good enough for now. It has 2*2 AX 160 MHz support for 5GHz band.

Currently all AX devices are 2*2.

If you have not got AX11000, you can also consider 3 * Zenwifi XT8.
 

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I assume you already got the Asus GT-AX11000, right?

If not you can consider cheaper RT-AX88U as the main router. Then add mesh nodes.

2* RT-AX82U AX5400 if you want to be more future proof as it has 4*4 AX 160 MHz support for 5GHz band.

2* RT-AX58U AX3000 is good enough for now. It has 2*2 AX 160 MHz support for 5GHz band.

Currently all AX devices are 2*2.

If you have not got AX11000, you can also consider 3 * Zenwifi XT8.

Yes, xiofan- I bought GT-AX11000 a couple of months ago- got a decent price with platform discounts, etc from Shopee.

Your recommendations above are all if I have not got the GT-AX11000? What would be the best option if I already have the GT-AX11000? 2* RT-AX82U AX5400 if I want to be more future proof and don't mind paying a little more?
 

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Yes, xiaofan- I bought GT-AX11000 a couple of months ago- got a decent price with platform discounts, etc from Shopee.

Your recommendations above are all if I have not got the GT-AX11000? What would be the best option if I already have the GT-AX11000? 2* RT-AX82U AX5400 if I want to be more future proof and don't mind paying a little more?

Yes I will say 2* RT-AX82U will be a good match for you in this case.

Just want to double check your network configuration. Hopefully you are not using Singtel ONR.

Idealy:
ONT -- AX11000 in first storey living room -- patch panel in living room -- LAN ports in 2nd/3rd storey-- RT-AX82U in 2nd/3rd storey

More complicated case:
ONT in DB box -- patch panel in DB box -- LAN port 1 in first storey living room -- AX11000 -- LAN port 2 in first storey living room -- patch panel in DB box -- switch (you need to buy a switch) in DB box -- LAN ports in 2nd/3rd storey-- RT-AX82U in 2nd/3rd storey
 

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Yes I will say 2* RT-AX82U will be a good match for you in this case.

Just want to double check your network configuration. Hopefully you are not using Singtel ONR.

Idealy:
ONT -- AX11000 in first storey living room -- patch panel in living room -- LAN ports in 2nd/3rd storey-- RT-AX82U in 2nd/3rd storey

More complicated case:
ONT in DB box -- patch panel in DB box -- LAN port 1 in first storey living room -- AX11000 -- LAN port 2 in first storey living room -- patch panel in DB box -- switch (you need to buy a switch) in DB box -- LAN ports in 2nd/3rd storey-- RT-AX82U in 2nd/3rd storey

I am using a Singtel ZTE ONR which functions as an ONT.

I have a fairly challenging setup as the premises is large. In addition to the main router, I am currently using 6 APs (yes 6- 3 Singtel Airties in AP mode, 1 Singtel Airties in AP mode meshed with one of the Singtel Airties in AP mode, and 2 old Asus AC68 routers now doing AP duty) all sharing the same SSID but not in a mesh config (except for 1 Airties AP meshed with another Airties AP). It works okay as, for the most part I do not notice the dropouts but wireless speeds are not great.

The premises has quite a few gigabit ethernet wall connectors all going back to switches in the DB room which connect to the router which connects to the ONR in ONT mode.
 

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I am using a Singtel ZTE ONR which functions as an ONT.

I have a fairly challenging setup as the premises is large. In addition to the main router, I am currently using 6 APs (yes 6- 3 Singtel Airties in AP mode, 1 Singtel Airties in AP mode meshed with one of the Singtel Airties in AP mode, and 2 old Asus AC68 routers now doing AP duty) all sharing the same SSID but not in a mesh config (except for 1 Airties AP meshed with another Airties AP). It works okay as, for the most part I do not notice the dropouts but wireless speeds are not great.

The premises has quite a few gigabit ethernet wall connectors all going back to switches in the DB room which connect to the router which connects to the ONR in ONT mode.

I see. It is good that you already have the infrastructure ready including the switch in the DB Room.

You can always try the AX11000 plus two AX82U to form AIMesh first. Then you can still add more AX82U or RT-AX58U if needed.

In fact you can still reuse your AC68U as well as it supports AIMesh.
 
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