Internal HDD vs USB External HDD

[Phen8210]

Watched many ssd data recovery videos on youtube. Some cases were a single tiny capacitor resistor faulty. Many cases of samsung nvme ssd with blown fuse, pmic. Maybe unstable power supply in laptop dc power brick.

I am pretty sure that the cheap ones are caused by failing controllers because the majority have early signs of intermittent detection. The controller is responsible for managing the communication between the SSD and the computer, and if it is not functioning properly, the SSD may not be detected consistently or at all.

I usually contact customers to see if they have experienced intermittent boot issues before the SSD completely fails. Sometimes, they report that the system crashed and they couldn't boot into Windows because the SSD was not detected. They had to wait for about 10 minutes before trying again for the SSD to be successfully detected.

However, it's important to note that the environment in which an SSD operates can also be a significant factor in any part failures. For instance, when operating on a desktop or server, there is usually better airflow, and the system is less likely to run at temperatures as high as 90°C. These factors can contribute to reducing the likelihood of a part failure in an SSD. Therefore, YMMV.

 

[86technie]

Which nvme ssd torture do not die?

All SSD whether NVME or SATA will die.
How it die is when the PC doesn't detect it.
Like most other PC components like RAM, failure can either minor components like capacitor.

However it is not repairable so if the SSD/RAM have warranty send it for RMA/Repair.
Which is why for data backup, HDD is preferred.
Yes HDD is slow but for data backup do speed really matter?

 

[Pearce]

If you buy external HDD just shutdown the PC before unplugging the HDD.
Cuz when PC is turn on and external HDD is connected it is still spinning.
Windows safely remove does not turn off the HDD so if you plug out a lot of time.

The HDD or rather spindle motor will fail one day so when the PC shutdown.
Power to HDD will stop and it will stop spinning than you can remove it properly and safety.

Which brand to choose depends on you.

https://www.challenger.sg/biz-solutions/data-storage/hard-disk-drives

Btw, some files not able to open or show not accessible.

Does this mean bad sector or file got virus?

 

[86technie]

Btw, some files not able to open or show not accessible.

Does this mean bad sector or file got virus?

Use Windows chkdsk through CMD to check the disk.
Could be bad sector or corrupted files.

https://www.minitool.com/data-recovery/chkdsk-f-or-r.html

 

[Phen8210]

Tbh, all my old HGST HDD has survived. My Seagate/WD/whatever brand all got bad sectors in less than 3 years.

The NVMe massacre is mostly due to those cheapo-gen 3 SSDs. One OEM black sheep can really tarnish the SSD's reputation.

Ultimately, It's not whether HDD or SSD is more durable n one another. It's the model. Saying HDD or SSD is bad is just generalizing.

The most reliable one is Google/Microsoft cloud.. used for more than 10 years, n it still works. Plus it's as fast as your internet speed/storage.

See all these threads until sian when I am rolling on my unlimited google cloud.

 

[Pearce]

Use Windows chkdsk through CMD to check the disk.
Could be bad sector or corrupted files.

https://www.minitool.com/data-recovery/chkdsk-f-or-r.html

Thanks. My comp hang just now after reboot, the drive not detectable

 

[Ctrl_Alt_Del]

Tbh, all my old HGST HDD has survived. My Seagate/WD/whatever brand all got bad sectors in less than 3 years.

The NVMe massacre is mostly due to those cheapo-gen 3 SSDs. One OEM black sheep can really tarnish the SSD's reputation.

Ultimately, It's not whether HDD or SSD is more durable n one another. It's the model. Saying HDD or SSD is bad is just generalizing.

The most reliable one is Google/Microsoft cloud.. used for more than 10 years, n it still works. Plus it's as fast as your internet speed/storage.

See all these threads until sian when I am rolling on my unlimited google cloud.

Found articles that said ssd suddenly died is flash translation layer (FTL) corruption. Did not shut down properly, power loss or even overheating of ssd controller do not allow the ftl to be stored on the nand chips. By right the ssd controller is designed to restore FTL from ecc data in few seconds during the next boot. however nand chips age, condition may slow down the process. PC that took longer time than usual to POST is the ssd controller telling the bios to wait for it to restore FTL. Repeatedly power cycle before the FTL restored may permanently corrupt the FTL. Data is still safe on the nand chips.

Can use recovery tool pc3000 to build virtual translation table to extract data from the nand chips.

Another sudden death is bit rot of the nand chips data corrupted the firmware.

 

[Yongkit]

Found articles that said ssd suddenly died is flash translation layer (FTL) corruption. Did not shut down properly, power loss or even overheating of ssd controller do not allow the ftl to be stored on the nand chips. By right the ssd controller is designed to restore FTL from ecc data in few seconds during the next boot. however nand chips age, condition may slow down the process. PC that took longer time than usual to POST is the ssd controller telling the bios to wait for it to restore FTL. Repeatedly power cycle before the FTL restored may permanently corrupt the FTL. Data is still safe on the nand chips.

Can use recovery tool pc3000 to build virtual translation table to extract data from the nand chips.

Another sudden death is bit rot of the nand chips data corrupted the firmware.

Maybe for normal user this is irrelevant, but for RAM overclocking there are multiple time system restart for memory training and hard shut down is inevitable to finally make the RAM overclocking stable, this is one of the reason I choose the 980 pro nvme for this purpose.

Also many time I will check nvme smart health before the backup process begin

 

[86technie]

Thanks. My comp hang just now after reboot, the drive not detectable

The drive could be faulty, is there any clicking noise or like motor spin than stop sound?
If you have any important data if the drive can work try to copy any files you can.
Those files you need, you need to approach data recovery service which can be expensive.

 

[Yongkit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hitachi-seagate-biggest-chance-of-failure

 

[wwenze]

Yet some of these companies are owned by each other and even using the same drives

Moral of story: Testing strictness is more important at reducing RMA than who made the product.

 

[Pearce]

The drive could be faulty, is there any clicking noise or like motor spin than stop sound?

Funny is no clicking sound. All my pass HDD got clicking sound this HDD no clicking sound at all and not able to restore some files.

Initially I partition into 2, D and E drive. D drive started got issue as some file cannot be read, open. Then E drive no problem but few days later, also happened on E drive.

I think partition also no use.

If you have any important data if the drive can work try to copy any files you can.
Those files you need, you need to approach data recovery service which can be expensive.

Some files cannot backup at all. When I double click on the files, it load very slow and then hang, not able to open. But managed to backup some into external HDD but the internal HDD gave issue.

That's why consider whether to get internal HDD or external HDD.

 

[86technie]

Funny is no clicking sound. All my pass HDD got clicking sound this HDD no clicking sound at all and not able to restore some files.

Initially I partition into 2, D and E drive. D drive started got issue as some file cannot be read, open. Then E drive no problem but few days later, also happened on E drive.

I think partition also no use.



Some files cannot backup at all. When I double click on the files, it load very slow and then hang, not able to open. But managed to backup some into external HDD but the internal HDD gave issue.

That's why consider whether to get internal HDD or external HDD.

Have you download Crystaldiskinfo to check the HDD?

https://crystalmark.info/en/download/#CrystalDiskInfo
Either the HDD have issue or the HDD partition have issue especially since you partition into two partitions.
Maybe one is corrupted.
I don't know unless I take a look at it.

 

[Pearce]

Have you download Crystaldiskinfo to check the HDD?

https://crystalmark.info/en/download/#CrystalDiskInfo
Either the HDD have issue or the HDD partition have issue especially since you partition into two partitions.
Maybe one is corrupted.
I don't know unless I take a look at it.

I partitioned the HDD in 2018. And this HDD served me more than since 2018. Believe maybe it has been spinning since before 2018 until now.

Now when I boot up my comp, my monitor not able to detect any bootup or show empty screen, need to press reset button and then able to load. Then it will show some dot circle, rotating for a while before able to login into Windows.

But after I unplugged the internal 3.5 HDD and leave the main SSD inside, it bootup very fast.

Do you know how to destroy a HDD (After format) completely in case someone pick up and restore the data?

What is crystaldiskinfo? And why got animation one Can trust one?

 

[86technie]

I partitioned the HDD in 2018. And this HDD served me more than since 2018. Believe maybe it has been spinning since before 2018 until now.

Now when I boot up my comp, my monitor not able to detect any bootup or show empty screen, need to press reset button and then able to load. Then it will show some dot circle, rotating for a while before able to login into Windows.

But after I unplugged the internal 3.5 HDD and leave the main SSD inside, it bootup very fast.

Do you know how to destroy a HDD (After format) completely in case someone pick up and restore the data?

What is crystaldiskinfo? And why got animation one Can trust one?

Your symptoms seems like Windows installed not correctly. There are cases where the boot partition isn't on the SSD but HDD.

Don't ask me how is it possible cuz I encounter many times.
Just use diskpart, clean all command.

It will zero the HDD/secure erase the HDD.
However take note if the HDD have issues, the format will fail.

 

[keenklee]

I partitioned the HDD in 2018. And this HDD served me more than since 2018. Believe maybe it has been spinning since before 2018 until now.

Now when I boot up my comp, my monitor not able to detect any bootup or show empty screen, need to press reset button and then able to load. Then it will show some dot circle, rotating for a while before able to login into Windows.

But after I unplugged the internal 3.5 HDD and leave the main SSD inside, it bootup very fast.

Do you know how to destroy a HDD (After format) completely in case someone pick up and restore the data?

What is crystaldiskinfo? And why got animation one Can trust one?

IMHO.
If your hdd got issue and u cannot securely erase it, then dismantle the HDD entirely and sandpaper all the disk surfaces.

 

[Pearce]

Your symptoms seems like Windows installed not correctly. There are cases where the boot partition isn't on the SSD but HDD.

Don't ask me how is it possible cuz I encounter many times.
Just use diskpart, clean all command.

It will zero the HDD/secure erase the HDD.
However take note if the HDD have issues, the format will fail.

Is there anyway to check if the boot partition is on HDD instead of the SSD (Main drive)?

Cause if the boot partition is on HDD instead of SSD, I should not be able to boot up Windows after I took out the HDD from the desktop?

 

[wwenze]

IMHO.
If your hdd got issue and u cannot securely erase it, then dismantle the HDD entirely and sandpaper all the disk surfaces.

Schrodinger's data recovery

When you want to destroy data, need to throw it into microwave and then a juicer to prevent recover

Yet when you want to recover data, Technician: "Oh you dropped it? Aww that will cost $1000 to recover. OMG you opened it up?? That will now cost $10,000"

 

[86technie]

Is there anyway to check if the boot partition is on HDD instead of the SSD (Main drive)?

Cause if the boot partition is on HDD instead of SSD, I should not be able to boot up Windows after I took out the HDD from the desktop?

You can check under diskmanagemt whether is there a EFI partition.
However take note you cannot delete that partition else the PC will not be able to boot.
If there is, that means you have to do a clean install on the SSD by wiping it first using secure erase.

 

[Pearce]

You can check under diskmanagemt whether is there a EFI partition.
However take note you cannot delete that partition else the PC will not be able to boot.
If there is, that means you have to do a clean install on the SSD by wiping it first using secure erase.

I already removed the 3.5 HDD from my desktop and left with SSD and it can boot to Windows. So which means it's not in 3.5 HDD?