Loan Shark Harassment and how to stop it - Part 2

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What is LML? I got loan scam via WhatsApp a few days ago.

Made police report
Changed phone number.
Officer in charged say go atm machine transfer them back the $500 they gave me. No less.

They wanted $800 (means extra $300) but I learnt that I’d feed more they will keep it up and continue with harassment.
They went crazy and sent lots of messages and those burning photos to us. He told my wife that he will print my face and put everywhere in the block.

I’m honestly distraught. I asked the inspector he says if they really wanna do such things they won’t tell u. They just do it.

Can someone tell me these loan scams do they really come up to your place?

I also installed Cctv already. I’m still distraught. Though I changed my number my wife refused to. I just feel very upset and worried they will disturb my family.
 
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What is LML? I got loan scam via WhatsApp a few days ago.

Made police report
Changed phone number.
Officer in charged say go atm machine transfer them back the $500 they gave me. No less.

They wanted $800 (means extra $300) but I learnt that I’d feed more they will keep it up and continue with harassment.
They went crazy and sent lots of messages and those burning photos to us. He told my wife that he will print my face and put everywhere in the block.

I’m honestly distraught. I asked the inspector he says if they really wanna do such things they won’t tell u. They just do it.

Can someone tell me these loan scams do they really come up to your place?

I also installed Cctv already. I’m still distraught. Though I changed my number my wife refused to. I just feel very upset and worried they will disturb my family.

LML= licensed Money Lender.
U mention “ Officer in charged say go atm machine transfer them back the $500 they gave you.” R u sure? IO wont ask u to transfer money back to those scammer. Please report that “ Officer” to higher authorities.

We cannot confirm whether those runners will come or not. Be vigilant. some runners do come, some are just empty threads. Most important, block all their numbers, do no pick up their calls or reply their sms. Block them. Be uncontactable. If can, changed your numbers. Close all tour social media accounts. Alert your family members, neighbours and employer.
 
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LML= licensed Money Lender.
U mention “ Officer in charged say go atm machine transfer them back the $500 they gave you.” R u sure? IO wont ask u to transfer money back to those scammer. Please report that “ Officer” to higher authorities.

We cannot confirm whether those runners will come or not. Be vigilant. some runners do come, some are just empty threads. Most important, block all their numbers, do no pick up their calls or reply their sms. Block them. Be uncontactable. If can, changed your numbers. Close all tour social media accounts. Alert your family members, neighbours and employer.
Yes because the inspector says they transferred. If I don’t return I get into further trouble. Cox they don’t even get back their original amt. I have young kids at home. I’m scared.

The moment i returned I ghosted then. No extra given to them. I don’t want their dirty money too.

Office has been notified. The only thing I cannot change is my address. I’m terrified. I cannot function properly
 

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I’m distraught can anyone share with me if how many got harassed. I really very scared. Will they really disturb my neighbour
 

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I’m distraught can anyone share with me if how many got harassed. I really very scared. Will they really disturb my neighbour
I won't explore further with regards you returning the amount. The act of returning the money means either you know the account or loanshark give you another victim account. Either way, what you did is money laundering. You are sure this what your I/O advised? All I/O in charge of loanshark cases are expert or specialised in that field, not random police officer. If the other account owner that receive your transfer make a police report, your bank account will be freeze for investigations. That's why don't pay or return the money, how "dirty" you feel is the ill-gotten money. Parked it aside, withdraw it and put under your pillow if need be but don't return back. It won't change the situation, they Will some how harass you in one form or another.

Anyway, you did the necessary with regards to police report, cctv and others (except returning the money). No amount of sleepless nights can change the situation. Just be prepared to make more police report if harassed. Call 999 if need police presence if you suspect someone is outside your house.

Ghost the loanshark, and keep on ghosting. They will give up even if they try to harass your house by splashing with paint or other nonsense. Normally for $500, maybe they will try once or so. It doesn't matter if you already return the money since you have engaged them, they will try to harass. So, no point returning the money, might as well get a mid to high end CCTV with it.

Stay vigilant. Don't worry about your children, the idiots they send are not professional hire, just normal people like you and me, loanshark victims. No experience harassing people, just following the loanshark instructions.

3 strokes of the cane is their reward no matter if the harassment only putting O$P$ notes on the wall. These runners will be caught and since I follow the police news, very successfully.

Stay vigilant. Rest and eat well. Your need all the mental strength to think for any contingencies that may arise.
 
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So it's been months since I last visited this forum - I was previously involved with UMLs but after reporting to the SPF and immediately ghosting them, with weeks and a month or so of harrassment from phone calls to mailing my photos and details to my neighbours, it was finally peaceful. Unfortunately, just recently I received calls again on my homeline and it took me back by surprise but much wiser now, it's not as daunting as when I first had to go through this ordeal. Obviously the person harrassing me now is someone different from previously but he uses the same name. I'm unable to change my homeline due to reasons but I've ignored the calls and blocked and reported whenever the UML calls my personal mobile. I've also installed a CCTv already from my previous case so now I'm back to being vigilant.
 

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So it's been months since I last visited this forum - I was previously involved with UMLs but after reporting to the SPF and immediately ghosting them, with weeks and a month or so of harrassment from phone calls to mailing my photos and details to my neighbours, it was finally peaceful. Unfortunately, just recently I received calls again on my homeline and it took me back by surprise but much wiser now, it's not as daunting as when I first had to go through this ordeal. Obviously the person harrassing me now is someone different from previously but he uses the same name. I'm unable to change my homeline due to reasons but I've ignored the calls and blocked and reported whenever the UML calls my personal mobile. I've also installed a CCTv already from my previous case so now I'm back to being vigilant.
I also never change my homeline but mine is the old analog line not the current digital one that many household uses.

I subscribe to Caller-ID and Call Divert service to my hp after 3 rings. Once diverted to my hp, my call blocking app will either block or accept the call based on my contact list. Those not familiar numbers will get a hang up dial tone.

For my mailbox, I can lock the slot so only Singpost can put letters.
 
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So it's been months since I last visited this forum - I was previously involved with UMLs but after reporting to the SPF and immediately ghosting them, with weeks and a month or so of harrassment from phone calls to mailing my photos and details to my neighbours, it was finally peaceful. Unfortunately, just recently I received calls again on my homeline and it took me back by surprise but much wiser now, it's not as daunting as when I first had to go through this ordeal. Obviously the person harrassing me now is someone different from previously but he uses the same name. I'm unable to change my homeline due to reasons but I've ignored the calls and blocked and reported whenever the UML calls my personal mobile. I've also installed a CCTv already from my previous case so now I'm back to being vigilant.
Can I ask is it also phone scam? And just for phone scams they sent photos to your neighbours?
 

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Can I ask is it also phone scam? And just for phone scams they sent photos to your neighbours?

I know you are stressed out on what harassment you will receive.

In reality these UML or Scammers have no standard harassment practice.

For them, they will try whatever harassment they feel appropriate on that day to scare you.

Of course, they won't do all that we have shared here. Each runner sent to harass cost them money, so they won't spent so much on 1 victim non-stop.But of course if they know your salary is high, they may try a little bit more.

Even they get tired calling you continously just to harass on the phone if every victim they have ghost on them.

So all victims must stop paying and ghost them, not just those who shared their problems here but also those reading this thread.
 
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I know you are stressed out on what harassment you will receive.

In reality these UML or Scammers have no standard harassment practice.

For them, they will try whatever harassment they feel appropriate on that day to scare you.

Of course, they won't do all that we have shared here. Each runner sent to harass cost them money, so they won't spent so much on 1 victim non-stop.But of course if they know your salary is high, they may try a little bit more.

Even they get tired calling you continously just to harass on the phone if every victim they have ghost on them.

So all victims must stop paying and ghost them, not just those who shared their problems here but also those reading this thread.
Yes I am really stressed out. I didn’t eat the entire day. I’ll probably knock out because I’m too tired thinking and even crying that this has happened. So much stress on the family. I’m feeling very hopeless.
 

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Thank u so much. I have read thru so many pages and you have given me somewhat confidence.

Fear is still growing definitely. I’ll try to install phone blocker for NOK.

Still praying for no runners to come to my place worry it will scare the kids.
 

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And I really want to tell u that as I’m as distraught and kept bugging the IP. He really did say if want to I can transfer back to them not using my bank a/c but via atm. So I won’t be involved in illegal money laundering. But he told me not to give a single cent extra.

I had conveyed how worried I’m for my kids. I don’t want to share too much details in case the uml is watching. It’s also weird IO tells me not to tell them I have made a police report. He told me to just ghost them.
 
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And I really want to tell u that as I’m as distraught and kept bugging the IP. He really did say if want to I can transfer back to them not using my bank a/c but via atm. So I won’t be involved in illegal money laundering. But he told me not to give a single cent extra.

I had conveyed how worried I’m for my kids. I don’t want to share too much details in case the uml is watching. It’s also weird IO tells me not to tell them I have made a police report. He told me to just ghost them.

If you need a counsellor, please get help from Blessed Grace Social Service. They provide free service for people dealing wil uml.
https://www.bgss.org.sg/
 

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I also never change my homeline but mine is the old analog line not the current digital one that many household uses.

I subscribe to Caller-ID and Call Divert service to my hp after 3 rings. Once diverted to my hp, my call blocking app will either block or accept the call based on my contact list. Those not familiar numbers will get a hang up dial tone.

For my mailbox, I can lock the slot so only Singpost can put letters.

My mailbox is the kind that only Singpost delivery staff may access from the room but previously the UML had decided to waste their money by posting (stamps and all) so many (and I mean a whole lot of letters per household! A few of my neighbours showed to me but they were very understanding of the situation).

I will look into the call divert though. Because I do have caller ID but it gets annoying when the phone keeps ringing.
 

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Can I ask is it also phone scam? And just for phone scams they sent photos to your neighbours?

Unfortunately no, I did get involved with a UML. I had initially thought they were licensed but it was a bad decision made on my part.

From what I'd gone through, other than ghosting their calls/ignoring their threats, and making the necessary reports to SPF, it's best to explain to your neighbours about your situation also so they may help to look out for runners (do install a CCTV - it really helps).
 

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Unfortunately no, I did get involved with a UML. I had initially thought they were licensed but it was a bad decision made on my part.

From what I'd gone through, other than ghosting their calls/ignoring their threats, and making the necessary reports to SPF, it's best to explain to your neighbours about your situation also so they may help to look out for runners (do install a CCTV - it really helps).
Sorry to hear that. I hope yours will be solved soon. I shared this case finally with someone not within the family.

He unfortunately was involved though the dad was the one who loan ums Abt 10-15 years ago. It rolled and rolled till over 2-300k. One day the dad nvr came home (suicide) and he was left to fend to pay off all the debts. But it can nvr be paid.

Finally ghosted. And last time the runners really more fierce unlike now. Speaking to him he gave me an assurance that life can be normal again.

I’m sure it will be for you too
 

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Sorry to hear that. I hope yours will be solved soon. I shared this case finally with someone not within the family.

He unfortunately was involved though the dad was the one who loan ums Abt 10-15 years ago. It rolled and rolled till over 2-300k. One day the dad nvr came home (suicide) and he was left to fend to pay off all the debts. But it can nvr be paid.

Finally ghosted. And last time the runners really more fierce unlike now. Speaking to him he gave me an assurance that life can be normal again.

I’m sure it will be for you too

I'm so sorry to hear about your friend that you mentioned. But yes he's right - the harrassments by runners these days aren't comparable to the ones from older days. It's mostly just threats and phone calls/sending love letters or if they feel like wasting their money by sending runners to harrass the homes.

I've been through this before, and while it's stressful it will come to a day when they'll get sick of harrassing me and stop. This goes to everyone else going through the same situation as me on this thread - be vigilant and if you've done the necessary steps mentioned countless times here (do read through this whole thread, the info shared here was what gave me the strength to face this issue), just know that these scammers/UML runners can never harm you physically. Always inform the SPF if you oy notice anyone suspicious loitering around your home and just know this ordeal will pass so be strong.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear about your friend that you mentioned. But yes he's right - the harrassments by runners these days aren't comparable to the ones from older days. It's mostly just threats and phone calls/sending love letters or if they feel like wasting their money by sending runners to harrass the homes.

I've been through this before, and while it's stressful it will come to a day when they'll get sick of harrassing me and stop. This goes to everyone else going through the same situation as me on this thread - be vigilant and if you've done the necessary steps mentioned countless times here (do read through this whole thread, the info shared here was what gave me the strength to face this issue), just know that these scammers/UML runners can never harm you physically. Always inform the SPF if you oy notice anyone suspicious loitering around your home and just know this ordeal will pass so be strong.
Yes thank you. Staying vigilant. My fight just started. The harassment is for a day. But I know more will come after CB is over.
 

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happydonkey, believe us when we say what you are experiencing, we have gone through it.

Sleepless nights for days during initial harassment. Posting my fears from 1-4am here during that time almost daily in the toilet for advise and to maintain my sanity. Worried sick for my family like you.

But things change after I did the necessary steps.It's normal to react the way you did.

The trick is to quickly snap out of it. Mine happened when my son got pissed with my super scared behaviour and told me off that these UML only getting under my skin. Empty threats. Get a grip of my life.

Yes, they may send runners soon. Just act accordingly if those clown do harass.

If they lock your gate, they won't hang around, they run after locking. On your part, call 999 and police will help break lock.

If splash paint on door. Buy paint remover and repaint your door. If walls around it got splash, call town council to repaint those walls for free. Don't forget to call 999.

You see, stop being tense (easier said than done). Just like clockwork prepare a list of what to do after the harassment. It will keep your mind focus.

I even bought a large fire extinguisher, a wearable alarm to scare intruder and 1 more cctv to prepare myself. Even thought of getting metal baseball bat, diy chilli spray and many more but realise I can get into trouble with the law if I hurt the runners. Best is to help new victims here.

Don't let UML instill fear in you, block them. It will soon return to normal. Good luck.
 
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As of now are just phone calls.

Hello... i got the exact same **** as you... best part, they even profited from me and still wanna kajiao. I reported the case to police and was tagged to one IO.
Anyway, Did they continue to harrass you? What did they send to ur NOK?
 
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