Manchester United - Theatre of Dreams - Part 38

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is pressing and closing down the same thing ?
same thing. pressure then win back ball.

teams like psg and utd are bad at pressing but they got managers that want their players to press. poch may not succeed as utd manager since utd players are not known to press and poch's tactics rely heavily on pressing.
 

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same thing. pressure then win back ball.

teams like psg and utd are bad at pressing but they got managers that want their players to press. poch may not succeed as utd manager since utd players are not known to press and poch's tactics rely heavily on pressing.
so if the mgr said PRESS.. but no action from the players.. what can the mgr do ?
Press the players head during half time talk ?

I have no idea why the players are not doing it.. instead prefer to do panicky defending when the opposition are near the penalty box.
 

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so if the mgr said PRESS.. but no action from the players.. what can the mgr do ?
Press the players head during half time talk ?

I have no idea why the players are not doing it.. instead prefer to do panicky defending when the opposition are near the penalty box.
throw boots at their head. quite hard to get players like messi, neymar, mbappe, ronaldo etc to press.
 

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To want your players to press, the players have to buy into your tactics from day one. The best managers do that and the players will listen. From what i saw bits and pieces in the PL, Pochettino employed a pressing system at Soton and Spurs. Charlie Austin, Shane Long did that for him, likewise Son, Moura and Dele at Spurs. At Paris, he has three elite forwards who are static and only ball watching when they don't see the ball. Their movement and defensive contribution are worse than our Martial if you like

I don't know if Poch can play his pressing system if he comes here. We only really have Ronaldo who doesn't do that only because of his age and his general game, the rest i feel can be coach to do that
 

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If want to be successful as a top team the players have to press. The top Premier league teams are pressing.
 

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Mauricio Pochettino knows all about Donny van de Beek.

The ex-Tottenham Hotspur boss managed his first Champions League semi-final in April 2019 and suffered a 1-0 defeat courtesy of the Dutchman's winning goal.

Speaking about the Ajax man at the time, Pochettino said: "Van de Beek. Nobody talks much about him, but he has a dynamic in the game. He gets behind Tadic, he arrives, he works, he scores goals."

“Logically, I love De Jong and De Ligt," he said, "but the example of the operation of this Ajax is Van de Beek. I like him very much.”

Van de Beek is a difficult player to fit into the team due to the make-up of the squad, although Pochettino could potentially explore the possibility of retraining him as a central midfielder.

Solskjaer was reluctant to conduct such an experiment, but Pochettino has enforced similar changes in the past with the likes of Christian Eriksen and Dele Alli.

The Argentine coach could use Van de Beek to resolve United's issues in the middle of the park if he's appointed, with Fred, Scott McTominay and Nemanja Matic receiving criticism for their performances this season.

Ultimately, Van de Beek's time on the bench has been a product of the squad dynamics at Old Trafford, as well as Fernandes' constant availability. It is hard to find a space for him on the field but if Pochettino is determined enough, a role in central midfield could be the solution.

 

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the players need to know if they dont "buy into your tactics" they can be dropped
replacements will come in

at present, it's not happening at United regardless who is the manager. they are stuck with the imbeciles that dont fit into the kind of system the manager ideally wants. remember, we have players bought by different type of managers all mixed together now, and are still here.

Klopp and Pep both in their first 3 seasons consecutively bought keepers, defenders, midfielders, strikers. chop and change so many who didn't fit their philosophy. United managers are made to wait a season for a player to arrive, if they are lucky to survive till then.
 

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Rangnick is a pioneer of German football. When he was manager of Bundesliga 2 side Ulm in 1998, he made an appearance on national TV to discuss his tactical approach of the 'gegenpress'. That is now widely known as pressing and it's essential in the modern game.

Rangnick's game plans were always meticulously planned while his influence on those around him has been extraordinary and that's testament to his vast knowledge. German coaches are now among the best in the world and Jurgen Klopp, Thomas Tuchel and Julian Nagelsmann all credit Rangnick as an important figure in their respective paths to the upper echelons of football.

If Rangnick does arrive at United for the interim role, United fans already know he's exactly what they need after Solskjaer. Rangnick would immediately instil a sense of purpose into this world-class squad and no stone would be left unturned in regards to tactics.

When Rangnick spoke on stage at the Coaches' Voice event, he explained his outlook on football management in simple terms and supporters will love what he said. "To have a clear idea [the job of a manager] of how my team should play," he added.

"This can be more the Pep Guardiola style or the Diego Simeone style or the Jurgen Klopp style. What they all have in common is, they exactly know which kind of football they want to play and what it looks like. They have a video of the perfect game in their minds.

"The job of a football manager is to transform this idea of football into the heads, hearts and veins of your players."

Solskjaer failed to deliver a clear style of play at United. He failed to transform his ideas into the hearts of his players.


Rangnick can be interim manager until Pochettino leaves PSG to join Man Utd. Pochettino will eventually get sacked by PSG if he can't win the CL. PSG main aim is to win the CL.
 

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Fred’s a regular with Brazil and has all the traits that should make him a key midfielder within this United squad. In previous systems though, he’s not always been able to show that, but on Tuesday night guided by Carrick he did.

His role on the night was slightly different to what we’ve seen in the past. Whilst United operated in something like a 4-3-3 with the ball, without it looked more like a 4-4-2. Both Donny van de Beek and Jadon Sancho would tuck into midfield alongside McTominay, whilst Fred would push out wide to the left.

In that position, he was tasked with covering Cristiano Ronaldo who sometimes can be susceptible to being bypassed too easily, and Alex Telles who was the main provider of the team’s width on that side.

Throughout the evening, both in that wider position or when coming into more central areas, Fred was unrelenting in harrying and closing down runners, making key interceptions at crucial moments.

Beyond the advantages of this from a defensive standpoint, his ability to read the play and force mistakes proved decisive in both goals on the night.

The first goal came as a result of Fred’s excellent anticipation, setting off quickly to force the turnover deep inside the Villarreal half which was expertly finished by Ronaldo.

Then later in the second half and despite the tiring work already put in by the midfielder, Fred’s suffocating pressure saw him nick the ball again, evade a challenge to win it back and then lay it off to kickstart a move that was eventually finished by Sancho.

The proficiency of Fred’s performance on the night was captured by the fact that he made more defensive pressures than any other player in the United team (22).

Of course, it wasn’t just what he did without the ball, but also with it that impressed. Rarely did he put any teammates under pressure, or forfeit possession cheaply - he finished the match with 47 of his 52 passes finding their intended target.

United fans will be hoping that Tuesday was a glimpse into how Fred could become one of the club’s most important players in this imminent new era that’s set to begin.

 

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Owen Hargreaves was left swooning over Jadon Sancho's Villarreal performance as he rediscovered the form that saw him become a feared attacker at Borussia Dortmund in the 2-0 win that secured Champions League qualification.

"But I love the fact, Jadon's getting into an area. That was the Jadon Sancho we saw at Borussia Dortmund, that's why they paid that money to make the difference and it was great to see Jadon play in that position, get a bit of confidence to go into the game against Chelsea at the weekend."

 

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What was most striking though was the way that City looked to exploit PSG's greatest weakness; their attacking strength.

Lionel Messi, Kylian Mbappe and Neymar are three of the best attackers in the world and any fan would want them on their team. All three were predictably involved in PSG's goal, a low Mbappe strike that finished off a lethal counter-attack just after half-time.

But deploying such an attack-minded front line comes at a cost, one that Manchester United fans know all too well. Whenever City reclaimed the ball and attacked, the terrifying trio turned, looked on and walked. They did not track back like Bernardo, or busy themselves like Raheem Sterling, but waited around the halfway line anticipating the next chance to attack.

That's all well and good, but when playing a ball-retaining and technically superb team like City, any side that excuses three players from defensive duties will get dominated in midfield.

Mauricio Pochettino, the PSG manager, has never coached a team like that before. His Southampton and Tottenham sides pressed and worked as a collective, capable of toppling the top sides due to the collective sum of their powers. PSG can't do that.

In the Manchester derby two-and-a-half weeks ago, a game a dominant City won 2-0, United couldn't live with City. They allowed themselves to be pressed by the Blues, and by not pressing City properly or tracking back - Cristiano Ronaldo was largely guilty of this - afforded City all the time in the world to pick them apart.


If United hire Pochettino as Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's replacement, then their fans will not have been overly encouraged by the way the Argentine set up his team in a way that allowed City to control long periods of the game.

Likewise, if Pochettino wants to move to a team that will press as a collective and buy into his team-first philosophy, then United in their current state hardly seems the perfect match.

On Wednesday night, Pochettino picked a team full of attacking talents who don't like defending and who press half-heartedly rather than as a well-drilled collective. Sound familiar?

 

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They suggest that background checks were completed on Mauricio Pochettino weeks before the axe finally came down on Solskjaer.

United bosses have targeted the Argentine for up to six years and are growing increasingly confident that they could finally land him this time around.
 

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Perhaps the biggest indication of his intentions came though after Pochettino was seen signing a fan’s Manchester United shirt.

The footage emerged on Wednesday as the fan explained the turn of events to talkSPORT.

“We met Poch today, my kid had his autograph stuff in the bag and the guy goes, ‘see if you can get him to sign a Man United shirt’. That’s my kid’s shirt, what they didn’t post was the photo of him signing it,’ the United supporter said.

“There was a representative next to him going, ‘excuse me, it’s a Manchester United shirt, he won’t sign it’. And he goes, ‘it’s fine, it’s fine’ and he signed it.

“I fully expected him to [not sign it]. I said [to my son], ‘get your card signed first and put your shirt out and see what happens’.

“He was being told to turn it down, so he did have an out, but he didn’t and he signed it.”
 
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