Only 32,000 take home less than WP's proposed $1,300 minimum wage

[Mecisteus]

I think it's about being compassionate. That it doesn't affect us (but other fellow citizens of ours) doesn't mean we should just brush it aside.

It's about the kind of society we would like to have in our country.

$1,300 is still too little. Don't you think?

The help them is to push them to upgrade.

 

[Konnichiwa]

32k, not a small number.

Ya... if u got lobang just intro to the Cleaners u see next time lor...

 

[pureice]

The fact is that there are many countries in the world that have inplemented MW, and there are positive examples that Singapore can emulate and improve on, if it wanted to.

'If it wanted to" is the key phrase.

We cant say just because US did it with malicious intent in the past, MW is automatically bad.

To say that this is a vote buying exercise is also pandering to the hardcore pap supporters. 32,000 votes from lowest income folks concentrated in a few estates. How does that win you elections? It doesnt.

For the 32k folks, you cant just tell them to upgrade and work harder and they will lift themselves out of poverty. In most cases, they simply cant. It may be because of foreign workers pushing their wages down, or due to the nature of their jobs (how much upgrading can a toilet cleaner or security guard genuinely do to improve productivity in the job?). Many are already working long hours.

Yes is true I agree, some jobs cannot be upgrade like you said. Hence pmw has a certification, resulting in barriers of entry.

Why I say MW is bad, is because it's a blunt tool, and it's mechanism is for the purpose of discrimination. If the objective is to lift poverty, you need to let peps be employed first and gain skills or savings , then they can accumulate capital.

We have to view this as a live and dynamic thing, not a static 1 dimensional model.

 

[Konnichiwa]

nah, making babies for the govt. as miw mp they should be following their leader's gospels........

Last time those sleep in class ones might be doing well in exams siol...

The only thing I don’t like is people catching security guard sleeping...

 

[NTB2DO]

$1,300 is still too little. Don't you think?

The help them is to push them to upgrade.

$1300 is the estimated amount our govt said is required to meet basic needs.

Of cos ideal is to upgrade/upskill to up the pay. But there are still low level jobs which need human to do it, eg kitchen helpers, table cleaners. Once these people upgrade/upskill and take on a higher paying jobs, the jobs they left behind, still need someone else to do it.

 

[MrFish]

This article provides some insights on the limitations and real world effectiveness of PWM.

https://www.ricemedia.co/current-affairs-features-progressive-wage-model-security-guards/

PWM may have its limitations on these lowest income folks, and a blunt tool like MW as you put it, might be the better solution to help them.

CNA also had some videos on the poor of Singapore. Good to watch and understand. They are living in a different world and dealing with a different set of circumstances compared to most of us.

Yes is true I agree, some jobs cannot be upgrade like you said. Hence pmw has a certification, resulting in barriers of entry.

Why I say MW is bad, is because it's a blunt tool, and it's mechanism is for the purpose of discrimination. If the objective is to lift poverty, you need to let peps be employed first and gain skills or savings , then they can accumulate capital.

We have to view this as a live and dynamic thing, not a static 1 dimensional model.

 

[flying.elephant]

Yes is true I agree, some jobs cannot be upgrade like you said. Hence pmw has a certification, resulting in barriers of entry.

Why I say MW is bad, is because it's a blunt tool, and it's mechanism is for the purpose of discrimination. If the objective is to lift poverty, you need to let peps be employed first and gain skills or savings , then they can accumulate capital.

We have to view this as a live and dynamic thing, not a static 1 dimensional model.

theres is some advantages to MW

since it is a blunt tool, it automatically remove jobs which are low productivity. bosses will have to restructure work scope and cannot just rely on cheap labour

also, part of what MW does in the short term is to transfer some of the profits back to the workers rather than to the land owners and businesses owners

has anyone complained about the cost being passed to consumers when the rent keeps increasing and bosses buying new properties and cars?

 

[Senna Wales]

If minimum wage is implemented then next time
Will employer implement $1,300 as starting pay instead of $1,600?

As if they haven't already. And that's not defining salary as the money paid for how many hours of work per month. Very easy to extend working hours and pay the same.

 

[cutekawaii]

It's high time bosses look into making more meaningful and upskilling jobs. Else it will forever be a run to the bottom.

theres is some advantages to MW

since it is a blunt tool, it automatically remove jobs which are low productivity. bosses will have to restructure work scope and cannot just rely on cheap labour

also, part of what MW does in the short term is to transfer some of the profits back to the workers rather than to the land owners and businesses owners

has anyone complained about the cost being passed to consumers when the rent keeps increasing and bosses buying new properties and cars?

 

[d5dude]

Its very simple. If 32k workers are still making less than 1.3k per mth after WIS then why not just extend WIS to cover this group? Unless these 32k workers are foreigners/PRs?

 

[Konnichiwa]

As if they haven't already. And that's not defining salary as the money paid for how many hours of work per month. Very easy to extend working hours and pay the same.

Don’t know how will it turn out siol...
likely won’t be implemented
First it is suggested from opposite
Second... they already did PWM... then WP come and extra...

 

[Senna Wales]

$1300 is the estimated amount our govt said is required to meet basic needs.

Of cos ideal is to upgrade/upskill to up the pay. But there are still low level jobs which need human to do it, eg kitchen helpers, table cleaners. Once these people upgrade/upskill and take on a higher paying jobs, the jobs they left behind, still need someone else to do it.

Say upgrade skills like press one button and upgrade already. What about the months or years needed, no need a salary during that time ah? How to make up the difference?

 

[Konnichiwa]

Say upgrade skills like press one button and upgrade already. What about the months or years needed, no need a salary during that time ah? How to make up the difference?

It’s worked in security industry lor....
Old timers say wages upped...

 

[Senna Wales]

Its very simple. If 32k workers are still making less than 1.3k per mth after WIS then why not just extend WIS to cover this group? Unless these 32k workers are foreigners/PRs?

"We don't have to do it because nobody needs it" is a very useless argument. Imagine you say "we don't need death penalty for murder because every year only 10 murders". "PM doesn't need salary because only 1 person is getting it."

It's more likely that the number is bollocks, completely made up.

 

[HumJiBeng]

Dr Koh had cited the figure to explain that a minimum wage was not necessary. He said the Government's policies, particularly the progressive wage model (PWM) and Workfare Income Supplement, already ensure the majority of low-wage workers take home more than $1,300 a month.

Among the 850,000 workers in occupations traditionally deemed lower income, such as clerical support and service staff and tradesmen, about 100,000 earn below $1,300, figures from the Ministry of Manpower show.

After taking into account Workfare wage top-ups and employers' Central Provident Fund contribution, about 56,000 earn less than $1,300. Of these, about 32,000 are full-time employees, or 1.7 per cent of the workforce, a "very small number", said Dr Koh.

Can we exclude employers cpf when talking about $1300/mth

 

[Senna Wales]

It’s worked in security industry lor....
Old timers say wages upped...

So it worked in one minor industry means applicable to everyone?

 

[Konnichiwa]

Usually in audit firm... how much they are paid siol...

 

[Konnichiwa]

So it worked in one minor industry means applicable to everyone?

Don’t know what’s your point...
It worked lor....
wages gone up... beyond the so called mini wages...
And now you all still wanna sing the song of min wages...

 

[Mecisteus]

$1300 is the estimated amount our govt said is required to meet basic needs.

For retirees with no dependents, it is adequate. That's how the payouts for CPF Life came about.

Definitely not enough if you have dependents and children to raise.

 

[tanchinkoo]

Most of u not in this category but keep kp about minimum wages...

U very selfish.

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